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Ukraine's Security Chief Says Ex-Official Killed Himself (shot twice in the head)
NY Times ^ | March 5 | STEVEN LEE MYERS

Posted on 03/05/2005 5:31:43 PM PST by jb6

OSCOW, March 5 - The chief of Ukraine's security service said Saturday that the country's former interior minister, Yuri F. Kravchenko, had shot himself twice in the head on Friday, refuting speculation that he had been killed by someone else.

The official announcement and a note found in Mr. Kravchenko's pocket, the security chief added, left little doubt that Mr. Kravchenko had committed suicide.

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Oleksandr V. Turchinov, chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine, said in televised remarks that the note left by Mr. Kravchenko could provide significant details for prosecutors investigating the killing of Georgy Gongadze, a prominent journalist whose death in 2000 provoked protests and international criticism of Leonid D. Kuchma, who was then the president.

Mr. Kravchenko, who served as interior minister at the time of Mr. Gongadze's abduction and killing, was found dead Friday at a country cottage outside Kiev.

He had been scheduled to meet prosecutors on Friday for questioning about his involvement in Mr. Gongadze's case or his knowledge of the details surrounding it.

Mr. Turchinov was recently appointed by the new president, Viktor A. Yushchenko, who has vowed to revive the long-stalled investigation into Mr. Gongadze's death. Mr. Turchinov said in an interview on Ukraine's 1+1 television network that Mr. Kravchenko had been "one of the prime suspects."

His death has roiled Ukraine's politics, with some leading lawmakers criticizing the government's handling of the investigation and others calling for more arrests, including Mr. Kuchma's. Mr. Kuchma, who had been vacationing in the Czech Republic after stepping down in January, returned to Ukraine on Saturday after again denying that he had had anything to do with Mr. Gongadze's killing.

Mr. Turchinov, who examined the cottage and the shed where Mr. Kravchenko died, declined to describe the contents of the note, but indicated that Mr. Kravchenko's death had not brought the investigation to a halt.

"It provides quite a lot of information for the investigation," he said of the note, according to Interfax. "The note concerns particular people who are also suspects in the case. It provides investigators with a chance to plan the further direction of the investigation."

After years of inaction under Mr. Kuchma, the investigation has gathered momentum, raising speculation that senior members of Mr. Kuchma's government could face arrest and trial for Mr. Gongadze's killing, one of the most prominent and symbolic crimes committed in Ukraine since the country regained independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Earlier this week, Mr. Yushchenko and the prosecutor general, Svyatoslav M. Piskun, announced that they had arrested three suspects, a general and two colonels who worked under Mr. Kravchenko. They also said they knew who had orchestrated the crime, though they did not elaborate. Mr. Piskun also publicly identified Mr. Kravchenko as a witness, announcing in advance that Mr. Kravchenko would be questioned by investigators on the day he died.

Mr. Turchinov said Mr. Kravchenko's daughter was walking the family's dog in the yard of the house in Koncha-Zaspa, an elite enclave that includes the country cottages of many of the country's political leaders, when Mr. Kravchenko went into a shed and fired two shots with a pistol registered to him. The first shot went through his chin and out his mouth, Mr. Turchinov said. The second bullet entered his right temple.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: arkancide; assasination; bs; conspiracy; coverup; kravchenko; putinists; suicide; ukraine
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The first shot went through his chin and out his mouth, Mr. Turchinov said. The second bullet entered his right temple.

Man, this guy had one hell of a determination. Most people who shoot themselves in the face and screw it up are usually in to much pain and shock to pull the trigger again. Then again, if you're trying to make it look like suicide and the victim squirms and the bullet misses the brain case from under the chin and goes out the mouth, the temple is the next logical "attempt".

1 posted on 03/05/2005 5:31:52 PM PST by jb6
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2 posted on 03/05/2005 5:32:39 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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bump


3 posted on 03/05/2005 5:32:43 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

Kuchma's cronies are getting suicided left and right. They were counting on Yanukovych's victory so they could keep the evidence of their crimes buried. Too bad for them.


4 posted on 03/05/2005 5:36:57 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah, and funny how the Yushchenko camp jumps on the suicide verdict on the day it happens. Hmmm, maybe he had a few to many secrets your orange socialist and EU weenies didn't want drawn up to the light of day???


5 posted on 03/05/2005 5:38:54 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: mhking

"suicide by double-tap to the melon"

this merits a Just Damn, yes?


6 posted on 03/05/2005 5:40:58 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


7 posted on 03/05/2005 5:44:11 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: King Prout

Sounds like the work of the Arkansas mafia.


8 posted on 03/05/2005 5:44:55 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: King Prout

This sounds like the New York National Guard major who "committed suicide" while at Fort Knox a few years ago. He somehow managed to stab himself 37 times in the chest, including 11 or 13 to the heart.


9 posted on 03/05/2005 5:46:52 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: BenLurkin

My thoughts exactly!!!


11 posted on 03/05/2005 5:51:11 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bust the Los Angelas Times for Treason!!!!)
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To: jb6

1 shot will usually definitely get you out of the notion of #2.


13 posted on 03/05/2005 5:59:33 PM PST by Waco
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To: jb6

I wonder if he dropped the dime on himself, too?


14 posted on 03/05/2005 5:59:38 PM PST by Migraine
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15 posted on 03/05/2005 6:01:49 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: jb6
The guy must have had some Clinton folks lend their technical expertise in suicide.
"Yes comrade. It looks like he shot himself twice in the head, moved his own body ten miles to the east, and then cleaned up the blood."
18 posted on 03/05/2005 6:06:37 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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To: jb6

Everyone would have easily believed the suicide verdict had Hillary's chief of staff not been seen running out of the office with a bunch papers hapharzardly stuffed inside a briefcase.


19 posted on 03/05/2005 6:13:41 PM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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To: jb6

It is not impossible to shoot oneself in the head twice. A book I read by a forensic anthopologist discussed a case in which a lawyer shot himself five times in the head inside his locked office. He was still (barely) alive when the police broke in.


20 posted on 03/05/2005 6:20:16 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Grzegorz 246; Lukasz; MeekOneGOP; lizol

Ping.


21 posted on 03/05/2005 6:36:10 PM PST by bd476
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Ukraine's Security Chief Says Ex-Official Killed Himself
(shot twice in the head)


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Ukraine ping list!. . .don't be shy.


22 posted on 03/05/2005 6:55:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: jb6
No different than if he'd:

Run himself over with a speeding car
Stabbed himself 26 times with a knife
Slowly poisoned himself over 3 months
Killed himself with an axe
Went for a stroll in Ft. Marcy park

23 posted on 03/05/2005 6:56:50 PM PST by SquirrelKing (I see you're drinking one percent. Is that because you think you're fat?)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Twice? LoL


24 posted on 03/05/2005 6:57:37 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: William Creel
I won't let you turn Free Republic into a soviet proproganda machine!

And I hate accusations not based on evidence. Sir, you are an empty shirt.
25 posted on 03/05/2005 7:05:25 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Happy2BMe
Yeah. Sounds like another Vince Foster "suicide", huh?



26 posted on 03/05/2005 7:08:36 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: SquirrelKing

"The official announcement and a note found in Mr. Kravchenko's pocket, the security chief added, left little doubt that Mr. Kravchenko had committed suicide."

I believe it was signed..."Epsteins Mother" as well.....


27 posted on 03/05/2005 7:09:09 PM PST by FlashBack (www.teamamericapac.org)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Politics just don't pay like it used tuh.


28 posted on 03/05/2005 7:15:46 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: FlashBack
I believe it was signed..."Epsteins Mother" as well.....

LOL

"Forgive the messiness of this note, as I have busted whichever hand I write with."

30 posted on 03/05/2005 7:35:52 PM PST by SquirrelKing (I see you're drinking one percent. Is that because you think you're fat?)
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To: William Creel
Look at everything JB6 has ever posted, it's nothing but Russian proproganda. I resent people who just join FR to spout proproganda one way or the other.

First, learn to spell Propaganda or use the spell checker prior to making accusations, then go learn what you are discussing prior to spouting off. If you cannot produce evidence, then join those controlled by their emotions on DU.
31 posted on 03/05/2005 7:39:12 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; Happy2BMe; devolve; potlatch
You can't make this stuff up.

Double-tap suicide? Dat sounds logical.

32 posted on 03/05/2005 7:45:06 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: William Creel

Yep, JB6, Destro, Eluminate = leftovers from the soviet empire, they can't stomach that it is OVER!!!
Propagandists, disinformatchicks, sicker than RATS.
What are they still doing here? Helloooo Admin!


33 posted on 03/05/2005 8:29:12 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: dcuddeback
And note, the government is dismissing this as suicide...me thinks he knew to much for the new regime. Just like Zhavdia, father of the Georgian revolution and Saakashvili's main competitor, dies from monoxide poisoning (along with a health friend). Seems neither, as their heads were spinning, thought to open a window. Since they were not drunk, nor sleeping (when people normally die of monoxide poisoning) I find it hard to believe. But the Georgian government was screaming accidental death before the bodies were even cold.

Two more examples of the NWO Soros "democracy".

34 posted on 03/06/2005 12:24:10 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: William Creel

Get a grip.


35 posted on 03/06/2005 12:24:36 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Yeah loved that one. And the guy that committed suicide in Arkansa with a bullet to the back of the head, that one was a kicker.


36 posted on 03/06/2005 12:25:58 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: wideminded

What the heck was he using, a pellet gun?


37 posted on 03/06/2005 12:26:38 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Oh your back? Still spouting off as your progressive candidate begs to hand Ukrainian independence to the European Soviets? Aren't you the proud one. Nothing like helping the ole fascists rise up again in Europe. Have they gotten Yushchenko off their leg yet? Rather embarrassing to have the president of the second largest nation of Europe begging to be the biatch of an unelected council. Aren't you proud?
38 posted on 03/06/2005 12:29:48 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Propagandists, disinformatchicks, sicker than RATS

My thoughts of you exactly. I'm still waiting for you to explain how giving away Ukraine's soverignty to the EU is good for it. Still waiting.

39 posted on 03/06/2005 12:30:43 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

If I recall correct in the 1950s, Billie Sol Estes (One of LBJ's running buddies) was involved with a fella that killed himself by shooting himself in the chest five times with a bold action rifle.

Now, In West Texas of those days, they had some leather tough suicides...


40 posted on 03/06/2005 12:40:30 AM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: bd476
Thanks for ping. I am curious If Putinists produce this propaganda on their own or get it from HQ, directly or not - handbooks, instructions....
41 posted on 03/06/2005 1:20:26 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6

Thanks for posting this article my dear Russian friend.


42 posted on 03/06/2005 1:22:10 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

43 posted on 03/06/2005 1:25:52 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

LOL, maybe they have it memorized.


44 posted on 03/06/2005 1:35:10 AM PST by bd476
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To: jb6; Lukasz
Show us the chart with Putin's achievements ! Show it !!!
46 posted on 03/06/2005 5:59:55 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Yes especially that part about nuclear fuel for Iran and weapons for Syrians and Palestinians.


47 posted on 03/06/2005 6:04:44 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: jb6
The chief of Ukraine's security service said Saturday that the country's former interior minister, Yuri F. Kravchenko, had shot himself twice in the head on Friday, refuting speculation that he had been killed by someone else.

Yep. That sure refutes it for me. Lots of people commit suicide by multiple head-shots.

48 posted on 03/06/2005 6:06:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

There's a Ukraine ping list?

If you wish, I'd be delighted to be on the Ukraine ping list.


50 posted on 03/06/2005 6:54:53 AM PST by franksolich (look for the "made in Norway" label on the can of fish)
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