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National Geographic's "In The Womb": Tracking the Messy Miracle, With Computerized Help (TV Sunday)
New York Times ^ | March 4, 2005 | VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN

Posted on 03/05/2005 7:37:31 PM PST by baseball_fan

Full-frontal images of a vagina are available on cable Sunday night, but they come at a price. You have to watch a bloody, hairy baby burst through that vagina, and before that you have to watch the little creature in utero, growing in all its Operation Rescue propaganda detail, in the National Geographic Channel's latest unveiling of the hideous miracle of life.

"In the Womb" is actually a cool, beautiful movie, a celebration of computer imaging and the 4-D ultrasound. It exhibits a minimum of politics, probably because it appears to have been made in England, where the acknowledgement that humans in the womb are complex, dreaming, pain-experiencing, memory-having, walk-practicing, music-enjoying entities does not instantly put you in the same camp as doctor assassins and purveyors of "The Silent Scream."

Instead of politics, what "In the Womb" delivers is the majesty of science. The filmmakers follow an unnamed woman through her pregnancy, down to the smallest observable detail; where this one pregnancy - the one that results in a live birth at the end of the film - fails to tell the whole story, images of other embryos and fetuses, some computer-generated, are brought in.

The results include a stirring set of images, and a number of revelations. The first is that the path of sperm from testes to egg, which has until recently been a mystery, may be determined by smell: sperm may be able to scent out the egg. The second is that fetuses start practicing walking while in the womb; the stepping reflex is visible as early as 11 weeks into the pregnancy.

The third revelation is that babies can recognize their mothers' voices prenatally, and even reflect an appreciation of their mothers' rhythms in their own postnatal cries....snip

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 4d; birth; dementedauthor; inthewomb; miracle; prenataldevelopment; prochoice; prolife
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This may be a watershed event in changing attitudes in protecting the lives of the unborn.
1 posted on 03/05/2005 7:37:34 PM PST by baseball_fan
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To: baseball_fan

I pray you are right. I pray hearts are softened.


2 posted on 03/05/2005 7:40:10 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: Coleus

pro life ping


3 posted on 03/05/2005 7:42:09 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: baseball_fan
Well, that pretty much sums it all up .. when the NY Times refers to
"hideous miracle of life".... what their real view is.
The description almost sounds like the PBS special "The Miracle of Life" produced for Nova twenty or more years ago.
4 posted on 03/05/2005 7:44:34 PM PST by roylene
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To: Calpernia
That first paragraph's a doozy.

5 posted on 03/05/2005 7:45:54 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: baseball_fan

The writer's tone sounds like she was raised on NARAL rallies and episodes of "Sex and the City." I would bet that her circle of friends consider abortion a right of passage.


6 posted on 03/05/2005 7:47:39 PM PST by Callahan
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To: Callahan

Er, rite. The "Miracle of Life" as described by the Manhattan dinner party set.


7 posted on 03/05/2005 7:49:38 PM PST by Callahan
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To: baseball_fan

I pray you are correct, but alas, the purveyors of serial killing as enlightened empowerment for women will not be deterred. In there twisted minds, the unborn have been successfully dehumanized to the point that even the 11 week baby practicing walking will be derided as mere reflex. You see, the truth that at least one individual human lifetime begins with each conception (whether in petri dish or fallopian tube) is anathema to people who've infested so much of their soul to dehumanize the little ones. Nothing can be allowed to deter that effort, nothing.


8 posted on 03/05/2005 7:54:29 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

"I pray you are right. I pray hearts are softened."

Agree with you there. I think this may be akin to when people finally recognized the wrong in slavery, that these are human beings we're talking about and society has to do more to create an environment where the mother and child can be protected.


9 posted on 03/05/2005 7:54:46 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: AnnaZ

Agreed. It muddles the point.


10 posted on 03/05/2005 7:55:30 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: baseball_fan
growing in all its Operation Rescue propaganda detail

How pathetic of the NY Times. I really think the left have gone so far over the edge they have simply stopped any pretense of normality. This is another clear sign of the MSM imploding.

11 posted on 03/05/2005 7:59:03 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: baseball_fan

Well, it does seem the tide is turning toward the pro-life side, or maybe it's that the MSM doesn't control every bit of information anymore and we know that there are more people with us than against us.


12 posted on 03/05/2005 8:00:29 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: baseball_fan

>>>You have to watch a bloody, hairy baby burst through that vagina, and before that you have to watch the little creature in utero,>>>

Bobby Hill while watching his step-grandmother give birth: AAAHHHH, it's got hair!!!!


13 posted on 03/05/2005 8:02:01 PM PST by sandbar
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To: ElkGroveDan
"growing in all its Operation Rescue propaganda detail"

How pathetic of the NY Times. I really think the left have gone so far over the edge they have simply stopped any pretense of normality. This is another clear sign of the MSM imploding.

It does seem ridiculous that filming the actual fact is seen as "propaganda."

14 posted on 03/05/2005 8:02:49 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: baseball_fan
Full-frontal images of a vagina are available on cable Sunday night, but they come at a price.

....as though we are all lusting for a free glimpse at the above mentioned anatomy. Is that what the NYT thinks of their readers?

I am just speechless at this incredible crude and insensitive piece.

15 posted on 03/05/2005 8:03:13 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: baseball_fan
"You have to watch a bloody, hairy baby burst through that vagina,..."

So this sophisticated adult female author never knew until now about the reality of childbirth? The last paragraph of the article is as immature as the first.

"...and before that you have to watch the little creature in utero, growing in all its Operation Rescue propaganda detail,..."

She's trying hard to deny the reality of what she's seeing. What a cold-hearted b*tch!

16 posted on 03/05/2005 8:04:35 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (How do you spell dynasty? P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S!)
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To: MHGinTN

"You see, the truth that at least one individual human lifetime begins with each conception (whether in petri dish or fallopian tube) is anathema to people who've infested so much of their soul to dehumanize the little ones. Nothing can be allowed to deter that effort, nothing."

You are so correct. It is indeed sad, but very true. May God show mercy and bring a Great Awakening to this country.


17 posted on 03/05/2005 8:06:19 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: baseball_fan
does not instantly put you in the same camp as doctor assassins

Thank you so much NYT. I am no longer lumped in with "doctor assassins" because I marvel at the wonder of human birth. I feel so liberated now.

This writer is sick, sick, sick.

18 posted on 03/05/2005 8:07:09 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: baseball_fan

We are, as a family going to sit down together and watch this.

As a side note I can see the face of GOD everytime I look into the faces of my children!


19 posted on 03/05/2005 8:07:39 PM PST by TMSuchman (2nd Generation U.S. MARINE and PROUD OF IT!)
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To: baseball_fan

"... these are human beings we're talking about and society has to do more to create an environment where the mother and child can be protected." BINGO! We the People are the rulers of this Republic. If we will welcome these little ones and aid their mothers, we the people will end this heinous blot to our national soul. But don't hold your breath; out of sight out of mind, and the utilitarian aspects of the serial killing have already inveigled the nation's soul. These human beings are now becoming fair game for killing and harvesting, all the way back to their earliest age as embryo and Senaros like Orrin Hatch are enablers, touting the embryo as not human until implanted in a woman's body. Good Mormon, that!


20 posted on 03/05/2005 8:08:54 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: TMSuchman
"I can see the face of GOD everytime I look into the faces of my children!"

Amen, Amen

21 posted on 03/05/2005 8:22:30 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: baseball_fan

May it be so, in Jesus name...


22 posted on 03/05/2005 8:49:03 PM PST by dandelion
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To: baseball_fan; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Ping.


23 posted on 03/05/2005 8:50:10 PM PST by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"I am just speechless at this incredible crude and insensitive piece."

From the National Geographic write-up of the same program (not NYTimes review):

"You just see the whoops of joy when the fetus does something like blink," he said. "That's a very powerful impact."

source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0225_050225_tv_ultrasound.html

24 posted on 03/05/2005 8:52:14 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: AnnaZ

That first paragraph is more than a doozy.

It's hard to believe that someone who actually 'survived' the process they so horribly describe, actually wrote it.

That first paragraph is a sickener.

On SO many levels.


25 posted on 03/05/2005 8:56:17 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: baseball_fan
Dr Campbell, a former social justice spokesman for the Uniting Church of Victoria and Tasmania, is a member of a small group known as Christians For Peace.

He was heavily involved in a series of daily People For Peace vigils outside St Paul's Cathedral in early 2003 denouncing the Iraqi war.

This from another article. Typical leftist thug.

26 posted on 03/05/2005 9:01:37 PM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Boy, is that true. I thought I was alone, crazy or both back before 1980...Ronald Reagan showed us all a sweet, intelligent, compassionate man could also be a conservative. We weren't all knuckle-dragging Cro-Magnons.
He went right over the MSM's heads direct to the people. Today, the internet allows us to speak directly to each other...the 'silent' majority no more...!


27 posted on 03/05/2005 9:02:26 PM PST by Reagan80 ("Government is not the solution to our problems, Government IS the problem." -RR; 1980 Inaugural)
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To: stinkerpot65

Oops. Wrong thread. Darned Firefox tabs ...


28 posted on 03/05/2005 9:03:20 PM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: baseball_fan
the hideous miracle of life.

I don't know what kind of mind it takes to consider any miracle -- let alone that of life itself -- "hideous." Messy, sure. Not for the squeamish, all right. But "hideous???"

And that's coming from a guy who watched his son almost all the way through a natural delivery, only to be rushed to an emergency C-section. Which I also attended.

29 posted on 03/05/2005 9:12:34 PM PST by IronJack
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To: baseball_fan

I was there at my daughter's birth and it was pretty cool. Now my wife and I have a wonderful, cute little baby that looks like both of us. I can't imagine anyone finding an excuse for abortion.

F*** ABORTION!


30 posted on 03/05/2005 9:21:07 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: IronJack
I don't know what kind of mind it takes to consider any miracle -- let alone that of life itself -- "hideous." Messy, sure. Not for the squeamish, all right. But "hideous???"

Plus the review starts out with "Full-frontal images of a vagina are available on cable Sunday night, but they come at a price" as though it is a porno flick. It comes across as a not-so-veiled hostility - but political correctness probably calls for that.

31 posted on 03/05/2005 9:23:02 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: baseball_fan

Some people insist on constructing ugliness in every beautiful thing. In so doing they become incredibly ugly.


32 posted on 03/05/2005 9:34:26 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: baseball_fan
growing in all its Operation Rescue propaganda detail

How DARE you show what's actually going on in the uterus, you propagandizing bastards! How DARE you show us a living fetus, when we all know it's just a mass of tissue, waiting to be aborted. How DARE you introduce the masses to the fact abortion murders a living being. This is propaganda, pure and simple! No one should ever be allowed to see a fetus as alive. That'll ruin everything we've worked so hard for, all the years we've spent trying to make it easier for a woman to murder her baby simply because said baby may interfere with her social or business life. All the years we've spent making abortion just another, albeit quite late, form of birth control, will be out the window. This cannot be allowed to air on broadcast TV. People will see the truth, and don't you know, there are times when the truth is just too much? We, the press will determine when they need the truth and when they need to be told what to think. How DARE you infringe upon our territory! This is just totally unacceptable.

33 posted on 03/05/2005 9:37:55 PM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Callahan
I think she's making fun of the fact that any American who thinks there is a beautiful sacred life in the womb before birth is seen as a fringe nut by the MSM.

I could be wrong as I won't sign up to read the rest but that's my impression from what's here

34 posted on 03/05/2005 9:46:48 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Jokelahoma; All

Un-F*ckingbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did this moron get her job? Where the hell was the copy editor?

So I should jump because there is a vagina on TV " gee we got porn like cable come and see.....!?!?

Why this resistance to the basic beauty and awareness of her own womanhood? That part that exists regardless of her opinions held. She seems self-hating but too stupid to realize it.

I have always felt that kids in sex ed. should be shown every stage of pregnacy with like a calender device based on nine months . So they would know that based on your actions this is what you have in one day, one week, one month, two months etc....

What? Does the stork come thru the ipod now?!

Why the herculean efforts to remain ignorant of facts, simple facts, when we live in the INFORMATION ERA.

What? It's just not nicey nicey?


36 posted on 03/05/2005 10:02:38 PM PST by fishhound (yep)
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To: baseball_fan
In case it hasn't been posted, here is a link to a preview of the show on tomorrow night. It looks like a keeper.

Link

37 posted on 03/05/2005 10:30:05 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: baseball_fan
Pic from the site...


38 posted on 03/05/2005 10:34:36 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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"In case it hasn't been posted, here is a link to a preview of the show on tomorrow night. It looks like a keeper."

Stunning pictures and video, thanks for the link. It is like one is looking into outer space but it is "inner space." This makes the reviewer's comments about "hideous" all the more bizarre. "Wondrous" would be more like it.


39 posted on 03/05/2005 11:01:13 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: baseball_fan

BUMP!!


40 posted on 03/05/2005 11:06:44 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: this_ol_patriot

I considered that, but the reference to "Operation Rescue propaganda" doesn't sound ironic. In any case, she's describing her world, which sounds like a pretty sick place.


41 posted on 03/05/2005 11:16:31 PM PST by Callahan
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To: AnnaZ
That first paragraph's a doozy.

I had to reread it a few times. Still not sure of the point being made.
I'll be watching Sunday with my pregnant wife.

42 posted on 03/05/2005 11:25:43 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Reagan80
I'm glad we're not the silent majority anymore. The other side may be rude, noisy, violent and hateful, and in the past, we may have tried to be polite to the other side, but they just take advantage of that. So it's a good thing we're speaking up and thank the Lord we have the tools to do so now.

To show you how afraid the MSM is of this issue - our local NYT owned paper frequently runs a column by a local writer. It's called "My Turn" and can be on almost any issue. Last week they ran one by a local college professor who was tired of having obscene rap music blaring through his office windows, and sick of watching "This is Bob. Bob has a big new boost of conficence...." you know who I'm talking about -- during the news with his 13 y.o daughter in the room. The news ran his column, and interestingly enough, they didn't run an opposing view.

Last year, after seeing my unborn granddaughter on one of those new ultrasounds that will be featured in the NG program tonight, I wrote a column about seeing her for the first time. I wrote how she smiled when she heard our voices, and how her features are so like my daughter. This was right after the "March for Women's Lives" -- the march in which someone carried a sign saying "Barbara chose poorly", and I also discussed that, and the fact (I got this point from Rush Limbaugh --) that by making that statement, the bearer of the sign knew that the "fetus" Barbara carried became our President, so was, in fact, a person.

The paper ran my column, but went out and found someone to write an opposing column, and they ran them side by side. I don't recall them doing that before or since. I suspect they may have given this person a copy of my column before he wrote his, but they did not afford me the same opportunity.

The man who wrote the column was a Unitarian Univeralist clergyman, and his points were "theologically" based (bad theology, I might add).

I purposely did not include any scripture or theology in my column because liberals and secularists tend to roll their eyes and stop reading the minute they hear any Biblical references. I just wrote about the person my granddaughter was then, and all the potential for her life, and all the potential wasted by abortion.

43 posted on 03/06/2005 6:00:45 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: baseball_fan
"Full-frontal images of a vagina are available on cable Sunday night

Full-frontal images of a talking vagina are available on cable any time Maureen Dowd makes an appearance.

44 posted on 03/06/2005 7:22:29 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
From the 'link':

"Before it takes its [we can say he or she, but it takes more space for copy] first breath, a human baby [and this is the essence of the truth the viewer will realize, this is already a human baby, not an amorphous blob, and he or she is 'self-directing' in growth and development] has been through an incredible transformation... [NOTE: transformation, not transmogrification!] From a single cell to a complex, self-sustaining organism. With ground-breaking photography, computer graphics, and 4-D imaging, In the Womb reveals this amazing process as the first heart cells begin to beat, the nerve cells flicker to life, and the senses develop.

45 posted on 03/06/2005 7:50:32 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: baseball_fan

46 posted on 03/06/2005 1:37:46 PM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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To: cspackler

Are you copying it. I asked a neighbor to copy it for me and she thinks that she may be able to but is having some problems with her VCR. Is there any way that I can obtain a copy if she is not able?


47 posted on 03/06/2005 3:51:38 PM PST by mlmr (The "Naked and the Fred"....is back!)
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On Now Bump


48 posted on 03/06/2005 5:23:17 PM PST by FreeRadical (That's no Open Container, that's My Beer.)
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To: baseball_fan

What time?


49 posted on 03/06/2005 5:23:49 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: TASMANIANRED

It's on now (8:28pm Eastern). National Geographic channel. SHow started at 8pm. THey are at 8 weeks plus presently.


50 posted on 03/06/2005 5:28:03 PM PST by FreeRadical (That's no Open Container, that's My Beer.)
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