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Italian Journalist Shooting Deteriorates into He Said, She Said
The National Ledger ^ | March 6, 2005

Posted on 03/06/2005 2:32:06 PM PST by Coastal

Communist newspaper reporter Giuliana Sgrena is back in Italy and she is giving her version of the events that led to the shooting death of Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari. Calipari was riding in a car with the reporter after she was released from the Islamofascists that had held her captive when they were fired upon by American soldiers at a Military checkpoint in Iraq.

The U.S. Military states that the car was speeding toward the checkpoint and ignored warning shots and other various signals for the car to stop as it approached. The U.S. Military released this statement, "Soldiers shot into the engine block after trying to warn the driver to stop by "by hand-and-arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car."

But Giuliana Sgrena is telling a different story.

The communist newspaper reporter for Il Manifesto says she refuses to rule out that the shooting was deliberate. "The fact that the Americans don't want negotiations to free the hostages is known," Sgrena told Sky Italia TV. So I don't see why I should rule out that I could have been the target."

She offers no proof.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalledger.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: communistnewspaper; italianjournalist; sgrena; usmilitary
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1 posted on 03/06/2005 2:32:07 PM PST by Coastal
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To: Coastal

The commie b*tch is lying.


2 posted on 03/06/2005 2:33:00 PM PST by Spruce
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To: Coastal

Hardly he said, she said. Sounds like the MSM is just realizing it bought another pig in a poke...


3 posted on 03/06/2005 2:33:25 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: Coastal
She also claims that 300-400 rounds were fired at the car. Here's a pic:
4 posted on 03/06/2005 2:35:17 PM PST by Coastal
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To: mewzilla
Congratulations again to MSM - you just bought a PIG IN A POKE:


5 posted on 03/06/2005 2:36:26 PM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: Enterprise

LOL!!! They never learn.


6 posted on 03/06/2005 2:38:12 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: Coastal

That's not really a picture of the car, is it?


7 posted on 03/06/2005 2:38:36 PM PST by saquin
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To: Coastal
Italian authorities are starting to realize that this b***ch is overplaying her hand:

Communications Minister Maurizio Gasparri urged Sgrena to be more careful about what she said.

"I understand the emotion of these hours, but those who have been under stress in the past few weeks should pull themselves together and avoid saying nonsense," ANSA quoted Gasparri as saying.

Associated Press

8 posted on 03/06/2005 2:40:17 PM PST by saquin
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To: Coastal
She also claims that 300-400 rounds were fired at the car. Here's a pic:

Ummmm.....The bullets all went throw the same hole.

It's a Robin Hood thing.

9 posted on 03/06/2005 2:40:24 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Coastal

Since she's a communist I see no reason to believe anything she says...


10 posted on 03/06/2005 2:40:41 PM PST by clintonh8r (Heteronormative and PROUD!!)
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To: Coastal
....I don't see why I should rule out that I could have been the target."

Because if you were the target, you would be dead.

SO9

11 posted on 03/06/2005 2:41:59 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Coastal

Okay...windshield not destroyed, no bullet holes there, headlights mostly intact...lets count...

1...

2...

3...

4...


12 posted on 03/06/2005 2:42:00 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: Coastal

She claims the car wasn't going very fast, but let's be realistic here. If I'd just been released from being held by terrorists, I'd be speeding my ass as fast as I could, to get the hell out of the country.


13 posted on 03/06/2005 2:42:53 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: saquin
Italian authorities are starting to realize that this b***ch is overplaying her hand...

Too late...

14 posted on 03/06/2005 2:42:55 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: rlmorel

By the way...can anyone find a real picture of the car???


15 posted on 03/06/2005 2:43:22 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: Coastal

300-400 rounds would have turned her into hamburger. The mere fact that she is alive shows that she is lieing.


16 posted on 03/06/2005 2:43:36 PM PST by keithtoo (Defeat Le' Partie' Democratique)
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To: Coastal

And we are surprised by this because...? *Scratches Head*


17 posted on 03/06/2005 2:44:07 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Spruce

Well, the commie trash IS a much better target than a military intelligence officer. Thus, the refutation of her claim is that it would require an abominable marksmanship, too substandard even to be considered.


18 posted on 03/06/2005 2:45:35 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Coastal

Did they accidentally hit a camel as they were speeding toward that last checkpoint? LOL!


19 posted on 03/06/2005 2:46:09 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Coastal

"The Americans turned me into a newt!"

"Ah got better"

20 posted on 03/06/2005 2:47:12 PM PST by keithtoo (Defeat Le' Partie' Democratique)
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To: Coastal

They wish it was he said/she said. Truth is the communist lied and they were so eager to believe our troops are assassins they parroted the lie. The communist is so unstable she overplayed her hand and now they are caught supporting her.


21 posted on 03/06/2005 2:48:44 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: saquin

"Communications Minister Maurizio Gasparri urged Sgrena to be more careful about what she said.

"I understand the emotion of these hours, but those who have been under stress in the past few weeks should pull themselves together and avoid saying nonsense," ANSA quoted Gasparri as saying."




I bet that statement left a stinging mark on her lying mouth!


22 posted on 03/06/2005 2:48:49 PM PST by Bennett46
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To: rlmorel
Try this link
23 posted on 03/06/2005 2:49:42 PM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: Coastal

I don't suppose we can expect anything different from the Communist news media.


24 posted on 03/06/2005 2:49:42 PM PST by starfish923
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To: Coastal

At one point, she also claimed that it didn't happen at a checkpoint, but that the military chased their car. Wouldn't it be kind of hard to shoot into the engine block from the rear? Or was the car speeding in reverse?


25 posted on 03/06/2005 2:50:34 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Enterprise

Heh, thanks, it looks like the one at LGF...

The point is, if this is the car, someone is lying, and it ain't our guys. Agreed?


26 posted on 03/06/2005 2:52:08 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: Coastal

The whole Giuliana Sgrena capture and release was a diversionary tactic, used to allow some other fugitive to slip past the checkpoint in the confusion.

Al-Zarkawi, despite several reports to the contrary, is not known to be in captivity.


27 posted on 03/06/2005 2:53:04 PM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: rlmorel

Assuming that the picture accurately portrays the condition of the car AFTER the shooting - then yes, we can assume SHE IS A LYING BITCH!


28 posted on 03/06/2005 2:54:40 PM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: saquin
There's a link at the bottom of the article that takes you to LGF where the pic is posted. It says it was pulled from a video feed. Something called, The Feed Room That site is down now.
29 posted on 03/06/2005 2:58:35 PM PST by Coastal
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To: Coastal

Here is the test:
A. the "Victim".
Accountable to no one.
Journalist (since 1990, synonymous with LIAR)
STATED CAUSE:-To further the cause of Socialism.

B. The ""accused".
Accountable to Chain of Command, Commander in Chief, citizens of the United States and Iraq.
Soldiers:Missio#1-To stay alive. Mission #2 to defend lives and freedom of persons in their vicinity.
STATED CAUSE: To improve the lives of those Iraq.(You don't do this by shooting non-combatants.

Conclusion:Same as Reply #2


30 posted on 03/06/2005 3:01:06 PM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: Coastal

We should be studying the video of Sgrena's captivity very carefully.

I always felt that Saudi deserter with the blindfold - seemed to be smirking in his "hostage" video.

Her phone records should be checked.
She should take a lie detector test.
She should be interrogated at length.
She should undergo a pelvic exam.


31 posted on 03/06/2005 3:01:13 PM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: Coastal

Does anyone have contact with the unit that did the firing or with units who have manned this checkpoint? It would be interesting to know if this checkpoint had concrete barriers forcing cars to drive in a serpentine lane.

That could be an explanation for no bullet holes in the front. If the car were zigging and zagging through the barriers (and yes, 30-40 mph is fast that way) it would have presented a profile target. Could be that bullet holes are on left-hand side of car.

Just thinking out loud, but it would be interesting to hear from someone at that unit.


32 posted on 03/06/2005 3:10:44 PM PST by 12B
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To: Coastal

There is someone missing from this story--the Driver of the car. Who and where is he and what happened to him? Is he alive or dead? What does HE have to say?


33 posted on 03/06/2005 3:13:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Wasn't the driver the one that got killed? Is it possible that the gun shot came from inside the car?


34 posted on 03/06/2005 3:18:09 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Coastal
Thanks. I just went to LGF. Comment #255 and subsequent comments and pictures seem to indicate that this picture is of the car she was originally kidnapped from, in February. I don't believe this is the car that was shot at the checkpoint. I expect LGF to be correcting their story soon.

I'm still looking forward to seeing a picture of the car from the checkpoint incident.

35 posted on 03/06/2005 3:21:25 PM PST by saquin
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To: Coastal

The previous two female reporters returned to Italy after a ransom was paid and bad mouthed the U.S. and coalition forces and wrote columns about how wonderful the terrorists who "kidnapped" them (if they did) were. Makes me wonder if the Commies don't have a deal going with the terrorists to "kidnap" western women and "ransom" them back.


36 posted on 03/06/2005 3:32:47 PM PST by penowa
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To: bahblahbah

"Wasn't the driver the one that got killed"

I don't know. They said he was "riding with" the woman, and threw himself over her to save her. Doesn't sound like a description of someone driving a car to me.


37 posted on 03/06/2005 3:34:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Coastal

The communist newspaper reporter for Il Manifesto says she refuses to rule out that the shooting was deliberate.

Aw, now we are really getting the facts from a communist newspaper. If I am not mistaken, they are on the side of the terrorists.


38 posted on 03/06/2005 3:45:17 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: Coastal

Bullet Holes? We Dont Need No Damn Bullet Holes!

39 posted on 03/06/2005 3:50:39 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: Coastal

Hmmm--crazy, lying, left-wing propagandist uses the
consequences of her own recklessness (being in Iraq
looking for trouble)to smear the U.S. How unlike
a liberal. If it wouldn't interfere with his own
comfort or prodigious feeding schedule, I'd expect
Michael Moore to be in a car speeding toward a U.S.
checkpoint ASAP.


40 posted on 03/06/2005 3:51:09 PM PST by clearlight
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To: mass55th

agree, I'll bet that car WAS going very fast. understandably so. not sure if it's accurate, but, heard that our military was not informed of the negotiated release.


41 posted on 03/06/2005 3:55:53 PM PST by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: Coastal
Sounds like she should apply at DNCBS!!! They just lost a lying Commie nutbag.

Pray for W and Our Troops

42 posted on 03/06/2005 3:58:58 PM PST by bray (Iraq has political Freedom, now Pray for Religious Freedom)
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To: Ramonan

I like your analysis!


43 posted on 03/06/2005 3:59:09 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: mass55th

agree, I'll bet that car WAS going very fast. understandably so. not sure if it's accurate, but, heard that our military was not informed of the negotiated release.


44 posted on 03/06/2005 4:00:24 PM PST by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: 4integrity

oops....sorry for double post


45 posted on 03/06/2005 4:01:31 PM PST by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: rlmorel

"Sgrena told Sky Italia TV. So I don't see why I should rule out that I could have been the target."

If only that were true. Our troops need to start realizing that the biggest enemies they have over there are journalists like this and take matters into their own hands.


46 posted on 03/06/2005 4:02:15 PM PST by NoJoke
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To: Coastal
She writes for a communist newspaper? OK This is what I think knowing just that one piece of information.
I wouldn't be surprised if either the kidnapping was fake, or they deliberately ran at the checkpoint to provoke the shooting. I'll take our military guys word over an Italian communist all day/any day.
47 posted on 03/06/2005 4:04:46 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Coastal

I sort of like this Italian girl. She could meet the red-head German gal that runs around on a HOG:) I'm assuming the liberation forces backed away after getting an earful:)


48 posted on 03/06/2005 4:05:34 PM PST by BobS
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To: taxesareforever

You're absolutely correct!

Think about it, commies who despise America siding WITH America against Americas enemies? Not likely.

The Baath Party (both Syrian and Saddams boys) modelled their countries loosely on Stalin and Soviet Communism. These guys are now outta jobs and Pi$$ed that we run the place.

Of course these guys and the EuroPinkos' are going to chat over a cappucino and work out how to undermine the US.

My question for the commies is this - Do they even HAVE newspapers in commie countries? And if communism is soooo great... MOVE TO CUBA!!!!!!

Of course they won't, because they know like everyone else that living conditions suck in these places. Much easier to be a hypocrite, make decent $$$ drive an Alfa or BMW, live without fear of jackboot up your a$$ while you're sleeping, and criticize everything your enjoying. Do you get the feeling these people enjoy being outsiders?

Finally, like others have said, if she were meant to die... she would be DEAD! Can't see the point in winging the b?tch and killing someone else. I say let the Italians pull a KGB job, and go in there and shut the place down. Il manifesto should enjoy that, they ARE commies after all!!


49 posted on 03/06/2005 4:06:54 PM PST by ArtySupport
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To: Coastal

She needs to write a special report for the world. The headline should be: if you try running a US roadblock, you will be shot. Period.

Oh, and BTW, communism sucks.


50 posted on 03/06/2005 4:09:53 PM PST by end socialism now
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