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Wisconsin hunter wants open season on free-roaming domestic cats
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Posted on 03/06/2005 8:32:04 PM PST by esryle

MADISON, Wis. Hunter Mark Smith welcomes wild birds onto his property, but if he sees a cat, he thinks the "invasive" animal should be considered fair game.

The 48-year-old firefighter from La Crosse has proposed that hunters in Wisconsin make free-roaming domestic cats an "unprotected species" that could be shot at will by anyone with a small-game license.

Hunters will vote on the proposal on April 11th during hearings for the Wisconsin Conservation Congress across the state.

Smith's proposal has horrified cat lovers, but some see it as a way of stopping cats from killing wild birds.

Department of Natural Resources attorney Tim Andryk says the vote would simply be an advisory recommendation to state lawmakers.

He says that to have open season on roaming cats, laws that relate to abuse of domestic animals may have to be amended.


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1 posted on 03/06/2005 8:32:04 PM PST by esryle
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To: esryle

My response - if this passes, let's just ban all hunting. One extreme measure merits an equally extreme response.


2 posted on 03/06/2005 8:36:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: esryle
You know, I've never been able to understand supposed animal lover's opposition to declawing domestic Cats, at least the front set. To do otherwise is to subject Birds, Rabbits and other Cats to death or injury. Why would someone oppose this practice except on the basis of some unrealistic 'Purist' sentiment.
3 posted on 03/06/2005 8:36:20 PM PST by drt1
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To: esryle
We'll see about that

My cat hates you website

4 posted on 03/06/2005 8:39:03 PM PST by cinnathepoet (Directly, I am going to Caesar's funeral)
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To: drt1

My dilemma this week was that I caught a young feral kitty in my raccoon trap. I know what damage it is going to wreck on birds and nests and others this spring but didn't have the heart to "off" it


5 posted on 03/06/2005 8:42:45 PM PST by Oystir
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To: PAR35

Ok. Let's don't do it this way. Why don't cat owners simply control their domesticated pets like every other one? Why must they roam uncontrolled in cities unlike dogs or snakes or any other pet with natural predatory instincts?


6 posted on 03/06/2005 8:43:40 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: esryle
Cats... The ultimate 300 yd. target!

- Bumper sticker seen at Camp Perry

7 posted on 03/06/2005 8:44:25 PM PST by Kretek
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To: esryle
When I was a kid my best friend's father had an effective way to deal with all of the cats roaming the neighborhood. He had a humane-trap cage and he'd put a can of tuna in the cage. He'd poke holes in the can so it could be reused. Cats would smell the tuna and wander into the trap.

After a cat was caught, he'd come out and pick up the heavy, steel trap and drop it into a large garbage can filled with water. 20 minutes later or so he'd retrieve the drowned animal, drop it into a trash bag and toss it into the dumpster.

Very few cats roaming around that neighborhood.

8 posted on 03/06/2005 8:44:33 PM PST by Drew68
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To: farmfriend


9 posted on 03/06/2005 8:45:08 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: drt1

As long as we add free roaming DOGS to the list of varmits, I'd vote for it!!!


10 posted on 03/06/2005 8:45:58 PM PST by chadwimc
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To: esryle

From the People's Republic of Madistan, I don't doubt it for an instant. The people of Madison are an entirely different breed. Sick people. I'm embarassed that I live in the same state.


11 posted on 03/06/2005 8:46:41 PM PST by giznort
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To: esryle

That's what CCI makes the CB for. Subsonic-velocity, low-report .22 Short ammo.

CB = "Cat Blaster"

-ccm

12 posted on 03/06/2005 8:46:44 PM PST by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: esryle

Boy, he's going to get a lot of single women after him, with claws out, teeth bare, and hissing!


13 posted on 03/06/2005 8:48:00 PM PST by expatpat
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To: esryle

Well I think Hunter Mark Smith should be free game!
Many Kitty lovers on FR this guy should take his flipped out opinions and go straight to where the sun no longer shines!


14 posted on 03/06/2005 8:48:37 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: esryle
All pet owners should have control of their animals 24/7.

Feral cats should be classed like other varmints.

Some cat lovers think because they love their animal, that everybody in their neighborhood should put up with their animals which will kill anything they can catch for fun.
15 posted on 03/06/2005 8:49:43 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: Oystir
We have two cats and they have been declawed - Front set only. They are not a threat to other animals and I like it this way. Unfortunately, some of our neighbors have not done the same and irresponsibly let their cats out. Ours have been injured in fights and I've come pretty close to getting a Pellet Gun to get rid of them.

Feral Cats are another matter and I understand your dilemma.

16 posted on 03/06/2005 8:50:13 PM PST by drt1
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To: Drew68

I guess that made him feel like a big man. Sadist is what he was.


17 posted on 03/06/2005 8:50:45 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: esryle

Why exactly did you feel the need to start this thread?
These threads are just jerk magnets.

Does Free Republic really need 5 pages of "jokes" about killing peoples pets.

If you enjoy lifting up rocks and seeing what kind of disgusting things crawl out; post something about
Muslims or cats; then, just sit back and watch the halfwits crawl out from under their rocks, with their slimy little cheap shots.


18 posted on 03/06/2005 8:51:04 PM PST by Jonah Johansen
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To: sam_paine

Dogs generally are able to kill people. Most cats are not, though there are exceptions. And there is case law allowing cats to roam, so there is legal precedent going back a few hundred years.

That said, to respond to an earlier post, how would you like to have your fingers cut off at the first joint? That's what it's like for a cat to lose their claws. There are things like SoftPaws that one can install on cats that will let them maintain their claws while rendering them less useful as weapons. Do you also think that all dogs should have their big canine teeth removed, have permanent muzzles installed, and all their claws removed? It's the same thing.


19 posted on 03/06/2005 8:51:11 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: lolhelp
I guess that made him feel like a big man. Sadist is what he was.

Yeah, it was pretty cruel. Guess that's why I've never forgotten about it.

20 posted on 03/06/2005 8:52:00 PM PST by Drew68
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To: esryle

Better idea...

...cats as sporting clays.


21 posted on 03/06/2005 8:52:17 PM PST by RichInOC (PULL!)
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To: esryle
Smith's proposal has horrified cat lovers, but some see it as a way of stopping cats from killing wild birds.

I'm not a cat lover, but history has taught us that removing a predator, like a wild cat, to save a prey animal, in this case birds, usually results in an uncontrolled abundance of prey animals.

By naturally controlling the population of birds the cats are making sure the birds don't over populate the area and become pests.

22 posted on 03/06/2005 8:52:42 PM PST by Noachian (We're all one judge away from tyranny.)
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To: drt1

I oppose cutting off fingers at the knuckles, and not just for cats.


23 posted on 03/06/2005 8:53:54 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: esryle

Hey! Maybe we would have a whole

series of NEW books about

101 uses for a dead cat!

What fun!

lol.


24 posted on 03/06/2005 8:54:05 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: sam_paine



"Think I'll be placing a call
to the Viking Kitties about now."

25 posted on 03/06/2005 8:55:09 PM PST by GMMAC (lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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To: Drew68

Killing someones pet is not funny.
Posting clever means to kill someones pet is not the purpose of this web site. Go away.


26 posted on 03/06/2005 8:55:24 PM PST by Jonah Johansen
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

"Some cat lovers think because they love their animal, that everybody in their neighborhood should put up with their animals which will kill anything they can catch for fun."

I love my cat but I had him fixed and I don't let him roam. Our neighbor's cat used to jump on my screens and rip them up but something happened to him last year and he hasn't been seen since. We've got a lot of Coyotes and Foxs roaming around here that like a tasty cat-burger. Feral cats are very bad for wildlife and should be shot on sight.


27 posted on 03/06/2005 8:55:42 PM PST by dljordan
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To: sam_paine
Why don't cat owners simply control their domesticated pets like every other one? Why must they roam uncontrolled in cities unlike dogs or snakes or any other pet with natural predatory instincts?

ARRRRGGGHHHHH, common sense, MY EYES, MY EYES!!!

28 posted on 03/06/2005 8:56:34 PM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: drt1

You let your declawed cats outside and then have the audacity to blame others when they get injured?


29 posted on 03/06/2005 8:56:42 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: Spktyr
There are things like SoftPaws that one can install on cats that will let them maintain their claws while rendering them less useful as weapons.

My stepmother got "SoftPaws" for our cat, and they're great. Little plastic balls that are glued on to the end of trimmed claws. You know it's time to trim to claws and apply a new set when it sounds like the cat is tap dancing across a linolium floor! lol

Mark

30 posted on 03/06/2005 8:57:24 PM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: Drew68

LOL! I was shocked to find my 78 year old Mom doing that with squirrels and chipmunks.</p>


31 posted on 03/06/2005 8:59:07 PM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: esryle
"Wisconsin hunter wants open season on free-roaming domestic cats."

Bumper sticker on a car in my home town:

I LIKE CATS... DEAD CATS!

32 posted on 03/06/2005 8:59:54 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: stands2reason

Presumptive aren't we. have you ever heard of them getting out by accident. Audacity??


33 posted on 03/06/2005 9:00:55 PM PST by drt1
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To: dljordan

Cats and Muslims. It brings out FR's finest minds.


34 posted on 03/06/2005 9:01:09 PM PST by Jonah Johansen
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To: esryle

If you tag one, how do you skin it?


35 posted on 03/06/2005 9:01:12 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Spktyr

Boss hawg. I never said anything about declawing.

Why would anyone let an ignorant animal like a dog or a cat out in front of a 3000 lb car at 40mph? When I see a flat cat on a road that was some child's pet, I think about the careless bastard parent that let it happen.

Claws or not.


36 posted on 03/06/2005 9:01:53 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: esryle

I guess times have changed. I grew up in Wisconsin many years ago. Conservation authorities then realized that ferral cats were one of the most destructive wildlife entities that existed. PC runs everything these days.


37 posted on 03/06/2005 9:01:57 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Jonah Johansen

No need to kill 'em. The mother of a coworker humanely traps the cats and turns them over to the humane society. Costs the owners big bucks to retrieve their pets.


38 posted on 03/06/2005 9:02:42 PM PST by boojumsnark (Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: stands2reason
Why do cat owners think that they have the right to allow their animals to roam freely, and crap in my flowerbed? Not that I agree with hunting them, but I've tossed more that a few nuggets from my neighbors cat back on their patio. I don't let my dogs crap in their yard, I expect the same courtesy.
39 posted on 03/06/2005 9:02:59 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: chadwimc

I am a very sincere dog lover, but a roming pack of feral dogs is as dangerous as a pack of wolves.

When they are hungry they will attack anything.


40 posted on 03/06/2005 9:03:27 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: PAR35

Then we will all be outlaws just like Robin Hood, killing and eating the kings deer.


41 posted on 03/06/2005 9:05:20 PM PST by rogator
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To: stands2reason
BTW - Just checked one of our cats front paws and they have all their joints, the paws appear to be just fine but without talons and the Cat doesn't seem to have a problem at all. Where do you get the 'cutting off fingers' from? Sheesh.
42 posted on 03/06/2005 9:05:29 PM PST by drt1
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To: MARTIAL MONK

There is more than one way, my friend.


;O)


43 posted on 03/06/2005 9:05:38 PM PST by Petronski (Have you heard the rumor? Choco ration's going up! Double-plus good, eh?)
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To: esryle

I don't see dogs roaming my neighborhood. I see cats all over the place. I have Purple Martins that nest in my houses by the dozens. I'll choose them over a cat any day.


44 posted on 03/06/2005 9:05:59 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: MarkL

My cat came with them installed when I got him, and I've kept them on him ever since. He doesn't mind them at all - the ones I use are the full-claw-cover kind. They work really well.

It should be noted that if one has a feral cat problem in the area, it is because there is an abundance of food in the area - usually rats, mice, or other such vermin. Cats won't stay where there is no food - this is something that the idiots in Europe's Middle Ages didn't figure out. When they decided to start running around killing off "random" cats, the mice and other vermin multiplied out of control, thus spreading the Black Plague. Millions of people died. It took Europe hundreds of years to return to the population and civilization levels that existed prior to the cat exterminations and the resulting plague. Don't think it can happen again? Two people in NYC were diagnosed with the Black Plague in 2002.

Moral Of The Story: Don't kill cats. You might just be killing yourself.



45 posted on 03/06/2005 9:06:53 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: cspackler; stands2reason

Spackler, we're on the wrong thread....oops. Some people think that it takes a village to raise a cat. Apparently, they're doing their cat a favor by letting it get run over on the street or killed by another roaming cat.


46 posted on 03/06/2005 9:07:27 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: drt1
You know, I've never been able to understand supposed animal lover's opposition to declawing domestic Cats

I guess its a bit like gun control. I wouldn't disarm my cat, because you know there are strays out there that haven't been declawed, and you want him to be in a fair fight if it comes to that.

(For the record my cat Neelix is the neighborhood stud. He's been fixed, but he still beats the cr*p out of every newcomer cat that dares to tread into our cul-de-sac)

47 posted on 03/06/2005 9:08:17 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: drt1

Watch a cat with his claws intact pick something up or try to manipulate something. Then watch a cat with no claws try to do the same thing. The difference is obvious and saddening.


48 posted on 03/06/2005 9:08:32 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Navy Patriot
ARRRRGGGHHHHH, common sense, MY EYES, MY EYES!!!

Yikes. Put some ice on that!

49 posted on 03/06/2005 9:10:24 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: esryle
Oh, man, I know I am uber-prejudiced here, me being a cat lover with 8 cats but this guy is off his rocker and he ain't firing on all 8 cylinders. I know some say the birds are in danger and such, but hey, that's life and that's the way God made things so just let things take their course. I could deal with a few less birds, they crap on my car anyhoo. B-) The only advice I can offer the birds is "move it or lose it" I mean if I cat don't get ya, something else will, it is the way of wildlife for many years. Still though, I do admit, the owners should keep their kitties inside and care for them, maybe we wouldn't have that problem.

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Well, Muffin, time to come back from Viking Kitty Valhalla and zot this guy in Wisconsin.
50 posted on 03/06/2005 9:11:26 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Borders, Language, Culture!" - Michael Savage)
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