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Women at war: Sexual combat
sacbee ^ | 3-7-05

Posted on 03/07/2005 9:26:22 AM PST by LouAvul

Gina W. went to Iraq, and came back with a different kind of war story. Her battlefields were in the barracks and the mess hall. The weapons were innuendoes and threats. And the enemy? Her own boss.

"When you go there, you have to be prepared for war," she says. "And then you have to be worried about being raped by your own people."

The former Army specialist is one of dozens of military women interviewed by The Bee who say they faced some kind of sexual harassment while in the combat theater in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Though publicity about sexual misconduct in the war zone has focused on rape, female soldiers said unwelcome advances, demeaning comments - and a feeling that being alone around male comrades in arms meant being unsafe - were far greater concerns.

"I think every female (soldier in Iraq) has been sexually harassed," said Sgt. Yolanda Medina of Long Beach, who is doing her second tour there with the California National Guard's 2668th Transportation Company.

The exact number of U.S. military women who have been assaulted or harassed is probably somewhere between Medina's "every female" and the number reported by the Department of Defense.

Defense Department numbers show that from August 2002 through October 2004, 118 cases of sexual assault on military personnel were reported in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. But the Miles Foundation, a nonprofit organization that helps victims of military domestic violence and sexual assault, reports that it was contacted by 258 military assault victims in the combat theater during that same time span. That number rose to 307 through mid-February, according to the foundation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crymeariver; waaaaaah; warriorwannabees

1 posted on 03/07/2005 9:26:22 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Those are a great couple of sites, womenatwar.com and sexualcombat.com.  But my boss said if he caught me looking at that stuff again, he'd fire me and I don't want to have to explain that to the missus.

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

2 posted on 03/07/2005 9:28:54 AM PST by South Hawthorne (Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. "Aww. not even a little?")
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To: LouAvul
God bless them, but women do not belong anywhere near a combat zone, period.

There are already enough potential drags on morale, distractions of one type or another, and obstacles in the way of completing the mission (to close with and destroy the enemy), without injecting women, especially for some politically-correct social experiment, into the combat zone.

3 posted on 03/07/2005 9:36:32 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: LouAvul
* Sexual assault includes rape, nonconsensual sodomy (oral or anal sex), indecent assault (unwanted, inappropriate sexual contact or fondling), or attempts to commit these acts.

Am I reading this correctly? A failed *attempt* to make inappropriate contact with someone (however that is determined) is now an assault?

4 posted on 03/07/2005 9:38:41 AM PST by freespirited
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To: DocH

A woman who wants to be on the front lines in a war makes me wonder.


5 posted on 03/07/2005 9:39:55 AM PST by bicyclerepair (Help I'm surrounded by RATS (South. Florida))
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To: DocH

Bingo.....Ping....and OOORAH!!!!!

Woman being valuable intellectual resourses in the military do not belong in combat......

just my $0.02


6 posted on 03/07/2005 9:40:47 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: DocH
God bless them, but women do not belong anywhere near a combat zone, period.

(sarasm) Yes, only draft young men who don't want to be there should be in a combat zone.

7 posted on 03/07/2005 9:42:14 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: DocH

(sarasm) = (sarcasm)


8 posted on 03/07/2005 9:42:56 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: DocH
God bless them, but women do not belong anywhere near a combat zone, period.


9 posted on 03/07/2005 9:46:30 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: freespirited

Look up the difference between assault and battery. Assault is verbal.


10 posted on 03/07/2005 9:46:44 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: bicyclerepair
A woman who wants to be on the front lines in a war makes me wonder.

It's not so much as they want to 'be' there.  They are put into a career field, and when their career field is called to go, they go.

11 posted on 03/07/2005 9:48:08 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Hey Owl, "womenatwar.com" came up as For Sale, $499.00 and the other as can't be displayed, Oh well.


12 posted on 03/07/2005 9:49:25 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: SheLion
I just don't remember the guys lying around like that in Nam. Nice flick your post.Me bad.
13 posted on 03/07/2005 9:52:37 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: OldSgt.
I just don't remember the guys lying around like that in Nam. Nice flick your post.Me bad.

Were there women in the Army stationed in Nam back then?  I know I watched China Beach but the only women I remember were military nurses, volunteers and the Special Forces for Entertainment.  I wasn't there, so I can't say.

Hubby was there but the only women he saw was when they went into 'town.'


14 posted on 03/07/2005 9:56:18 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: OldSgt.

Hey, I know what you're doing from the other thread, course, I'm doing the same thing.

The headline reminded me of that day, about a year ago, when our soldiers were being accused of raping women at Abu Ghrab.  That moonbat in the Cincinnati City Council (or maybe it was Boston) was showing photos and it turned out that it actually came from a porn site called "women in combat" or something like that.

Guess it's really true, somewhere on the internet, there's a perversion for everybody.

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

15 posted on 03/07/2005 10:02:15 AM PST by South Hawthorne (Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. "Aww. not even a little?")
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To: LouAvul

The notion of women in the military is so fundamentally flawed that those advocating it have to be mentally unbalanced. Any chick volunteering for military service is either looking to keep a lot of guys happy or is very naive. Sexual harassment in the military has been going on for a looong time. Not limited to women in the military, but also including wives of military subordinates.


16 posted on 03/07/2005 10:04:18 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: LouAvul

Whatta bunch of crap.

I served a 20 year military career, traveled and served all over the world, and never, ever, not once, felt in danger of being "raped" by my fellow military comrades. Nor did any of the other women I knew who served.

Now back in the days when I was on a college campus...THAT was a dangerous place for women...sarc

Could it be that much of this break-down of self control between men and women working together, where it is occurring, is coming from Guard and Reserve Units who are deployed away from the ol' hometown and on their own for the first time in their lives? And under rather poor leadership at all echelons, to boot.


17 posted on 03/07/2005 10:16:28 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: SheLion
"Were there women in the Army stationed in Nam back then? "

I'm sure there were. Just I didn't see them. Round eyed Ladies were few and far, I don't remember any being Marines. But you'd have to ask the Army guys, or maybe those who spent time down in III or IV Corps areas, Saigon maybe. USO girls, But then I missed Bob Hope's X-mass show. And It wasn't really bob we wanted to see. (smile)
18 posted on 03/07/2005 10:18:48 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: LouAvul

If it's an actual rape I say let the guy fry for it, but these women should go to a "toughen up" course (rather than subject the men to a "sensitivity" course) all the same. Brushing off the verbal stuff is usually enough to stop it. Guys want attention; don't give them any.


19 posted on 03/07/2005 10:20:40 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: silverleaf
"And under rather poor leadership at all echelons"

I think you hit the nail right on the head!!

There was no faster way to the Brigg, then giving a women grief.
20 posted on 03/07/2005 10:22:52 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: LouAvul
Consequences of social engineering. Women belong in the Armed Services if that is their desire. They do NOT belong in combat. Civilized behavior drops down several notches in war - combined with a lowering of moral standards in our society at large - what does anyone expect?
21 posted on 03/07/2005 10:26:32 AM PST by Apercu ("Rep ipsa loquitor")
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To: Owl_Eagle

" Hey, I know what you're doing from the other thread, course, I'm doing the same thing."

I have no idea of what your talking about and will surely deny everything anyway. So, and how is your day going?


23 posted on 03/07/2005 10:27:47 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: OldSgt.

That was when women had position. The libs and their lunar lunacy have robbed women of their status by denegrating the worth, significance and the stature of men.


24 posted on 03/07/2005 10:47:53 AM PST by Spirited (God, Bless America. No one else does.)
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To: LouAvul
...mostly young women, vastly outnumbered and surrounded by mostly young men, far from home in a highly stressful situation.

Reason enough to have an all male army or have female units highly separated from their male counterparts. Given the circumstances what is happening should be no surprise.

25 posted on 03/07/2005 10:58:41 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Spirited
I do Agree, it was all about breaking down the Civil structure. And this has and is affecting our society.
26 posted on 03/07/2005 10:59:15 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: DocH

I was going to post something like this but was afraid of being flamed! Thanks! :)


27 posted on 03/07/2005 11:00:48 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: DocH

Superbly stated. I agree 100% with every word.


28 posted on 03/07/2005 11:02:11 AM PST by Skooz (Overtaxed host organism for the parasitical State)
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To: LouAvul
Get them out of theater, and problem is solved.

DUH!

29 posted on 03/07/2005 11:03:19 AM PST by Cold Heat (This space is being paid not to do anything.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

"(sarasm) Yes, only draft young men who don't want to be there should be in a combat zone."

Wait a minute! We don't have a "draft", it's an all volunteer outfit or have you heard? They sign on willingly and they also realize that by joining any of the services, they MAY end up in the middle of a combat zone, well DUH. Get off that s**t! I have a son over there right now (Baqubah), watch your mouths pogues--REMFs...

And get the women out of the combat zones.


30 posted on 03/07/2005 11:09:32 AM PST by brushcop
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To: DocH

"...women do not belong anywhere near a combat zone, period."

I agree 100% AND I'm a woman!


31 posted on 03/07/2005 12:12:56 PM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Grannyx4

You are welcome, and fear not Grannyx4, it doesn't hurt a bit to tell it like it is.


32 posted on 03/07/2005 12:30:07 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Skooz

Thanks. I think there are a lot of us out there, both men and women, that can agree on this, and for many different reasons. Good reasons can have a practical, traditional, historical, and religous basis. Our military should be used to protect our shores and national security by destroying our enemies, and the focus of all training and tactical deployments ought to be geared towards that. There is no place in that effort for trying to make our military mirror civilian society.


33 posted on 03/07/2005 12:39:33 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Polyxene

I'm sure there are many women like you Polyxene, that agree with keeping women out of combat zones (there are few rear areas now).


34 posted on 03/07/2005 12:44:34 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Vaquero

Sometimes, 2 cents can be worth much more than just 2 cents. Oohrah.


35 posted on 03/07/2005 12:57:58 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: bicyclerepair

I wonder too, especially when a woman leaves her children behind.


36 posted on 03/07/2005 12:59:44 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH

Thanks and I love your tag line!


37 posted on 03/07/2005 6:57:52 PM PST by Vor Lady
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