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Next to Lee Harvey Oswald's burial site: A grave secret
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | 03/08/2005 | Jack Douglas Jr.

Posted on 03/08/2005 8:10:03 AM PST by jtminton

FORT WORTH - The name is etched on a pink granite tombstone only inches from the grave of one of the most notorious killers in American history.

"Nick Beef."

The neighboring gravestone, nearly identical, says merely:

"Oswald."

Lee Harvey Oswald was buried Nov. 25, 1963, in east Fort Worth's Rose Hill Cemetery. It was three days after the assassination of President Kennedy in downtown Dallas and one day after Oswald was fatally shot by nightclub owner Jack Ruby.

Oswald's mother, Marguerite, who died Jan. 17, 1981, is buried next to him. The Beef marker is on the other side. It is not clear who placed the Beef tombstone, or exactly when it appeared.

The rectangular tombstones are the same size. Each bears only a name, without the customary inscription of date of birth and death. On holidays, when the cemetery blooms with flowers from loved ones, both plots typically remain barren.

But there is one big difference between the two grave sites:

"Nick Beef's" is empty.

Just about every aspect of Oswald's life and death has been examined and re-examined by reporters, history buffs and conspiracy theorists, all looking for another small clue into what drove him to kill the president.

But the Beef marker, sitting so close to the infamous grave, is virtually unknown to some of the most veteran scholars of the Kennedy assassination.

"I've just never, ever, run across that name," said Gary Mack, curator for the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, where Oswald fired the shots into Kennedy's motorcade.

Deby Alexander, general manager of Shannon Rose Hill Funeral Chapel & Cemetery, said no "interment card" is on file for the Nick Beef plot.

"A burial," she said, "has not been done there."

Alexander said she cannot reveal who owns the plot, for privacy reasons. She has heard the unsubstantiated accounts, many of them circulated on the Internet, that the marker was placed by a comedian with the stage name Nick Beef.

So where's the humor in placing a fake grave site next to a man who killed a president?

"We've scratched our heads about this for a long time," said Barb Junkkarinen, a self-described JFK researcher who lives in Forest Grove, Ore.

Junkkarinen said she first saw the Beef marker in November 1998, when she visited Rose Hill while attending a Dallas event commemorating the assassination.

Another assassination buff, Arthur Snyder, a scientist and researcher for Stanford University, said he also noticed the Beef stone in 1998. It wasn't there a year earlier, Snyder said, when he and his wife visited Oswald's grave.

"We were shocked to see it there," said Snyder, of Palo Alto, Calif.

Snyder and Junkkarinen said they were among a group of JFK/Oswald enthusiasts who sought out Rose Hill workers to find out about the new marker.

Junkkarinen said several of workers told them that "Nick Beef" was the stage name for a comedian from the Northeast who paid $2,000 for the plot.

The comedian bought the plot, the group was told, as part of an act in which he told audiences they could get directions to Oswald's grave by asking Rose Hill employees for the Beef burial site.

The workers are not allowed to divulge the location of Oswald's grave.

"Only thing is, now they won't tell people where Nick Beef's grave is either!" Junkkarinen wrote on a Web site.

Alexander, the general manager at Rose Hill, acknowledged that curiosity-seekers are not told how to find his grave at the sprawling cemetery, out of respect for his relatives.

"The family is very private about it," she said.

If there is any truth to the story that a comedian tried to turn the national tragedy of Kennedy's murder into a comic skit, his show apparently flopped.

Among the veteran journalists, scholars and members of the entertainment world who have studied the assassination, few know about the "Nick Beef" mystery.

It is a piece of an unsolved puzzle that never came up when Oscar-winning director Oliver Stone was doing his research for the 1991 movie JFK.

"He's never heard of this guy's name before," said Rob Wilson, a spokesman for Stone.

Ian Griggs, a retired British police officer and co-founder of the overseas research group the Dealey Plaza UK, said he has studied the Kennedy assassination for more than 30 years and remains baffled by the Beef marker.

Like Snyder and Junkkarinen, Griggs said he noticed the gravestone while attending a Kennedy conference in Dallas. He said he got this response when he questioned a Rose Hill worker: "Mr. Beef is not dead."

Computerized property records suggest only one possibility -- that a "Nick Beef" might have lived in a high-rise apartment complex in New York City during the middle to late 1990s. The spot is in Manhattan's trendy West Village, known for its nightspots -- and comedy clubs.

But there is no phone number for a "Nick Beef," and several residents of the complex said they do not remember a neighbor by such a name.

Only a block from the complex is the Comedy Cellar, one of New York City's most established stage-comedy clubs, whose featured entertainers have included Robin Williams, Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock.

But, as with everything else, when it comes to the name "Nick Beef," the trail quickly turns cold.

Estee Adoram, manager and 23-year veteran employee of the Comedy Cellar, said she doubts that a comic has ever tried to make people laugh about the Kennedy assassination.

She added, "I don't think there was a stand-up comedian by this name."

News Researchers Cathy Belcher and Marcia Melton Contributed to This Report.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Douglas Jr., (817) 390-7700 jld@star-telegram.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: jfk; oswald; pagingartbell
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Sitting at Lee Harvey Oswald's casket Nov. 25, 1963, are his wife, Marina Oswald; brother, R.L. Oswald; and mother, Marguerite Oswald.


1 posted on 03/08/2005 8:10:04 AM PST by jtminton
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To: jtminton

Oswald was just a patsy, we all know George W. Bush did it /sarc


2 posted on 03/08/2005 8:11:51 AM PST by William of Orange (Liberalism: killing babies good, killing criminals bad...)
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To: jtminton

3 posted on 03/08/2005 8:16:27 AM PST by jtminton (<--Updated 02/28)
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To: jtminton
OK, I'll say it.


Where's the Beef?"
4 posted on 03/08/2005 8:17:08 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Look for, the union label. Go ahead, keep looking, I'll wait.)
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To: jtminton

Mr. Beef is buried on a grassy knoll somewhere.

5 posted on 03/08/2005 8:17:57 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Now this thread has double the Beef of your average thread.


6 posted on 03/08/2005 8:21:25 AM PST by jtminton (<--Updated 02/28)
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To: jtminton

Whatever became of Marina?


7 posted on 03/08/2005 8:21:38 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: jtminton

Nick Beef was probably one of those assassins who shot Kennedy from one of the sewer grates, and had to be 'silenced' to protect the conspirators, you know.


8 posted on 03/08/2005 8:24:07 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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To: WakeUpAndVote
The comedian bought the plot, the group was told, as part of an act in which he told audiences they could get directions to Oswald's grave by asking Rose Hill employees for the Beef burial site. The workers are not allowed to divulge the location of Oswald's grave.

Mr. Beef apparently had a bone to pick with this policy.

9 posted on 03/08/2005 8:26:15 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: jtminton

Where's the Beef?


10 posted on 03/08/2005 8:27:50 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: jtminton
The comedian bought the plot, the group was told, as part of an act in which he told audiences they could get directions to Oswald's grave by asking Rose Hill employees for the Beef burial site.

The workers are not allowed to divulge the location of Oswald's grave.

"Only thing is, now they won't tell people where Nick Beef's grave is either!" Junkkarinen wrote on a Web site.

Someone should just go out to the cemetary with a GPS and record the precise location. Once that's done and the location is posted on the internet, there's no way to keep people from finding the grave.

11 posted on 03/08/2005 8:30:30 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

What do you want on YOUR tombstone?...


12 posted on 03/08/2005 8:31:47 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Monterrosa-24
Whatever became of Marina?

In 1965 Marina married Dallas carpenter, Kenneth Porter and went to live in Richardson, Texas with her two daughters and her new husband. Later she gave birth to a son.

At first Marina accepted the truth of the Warren Commission but over the years she has began to question the role her husband played in the killing of John F. Kennedy. She was especially influenced by the House Select Committee on Assassinations report published in 1979.

In an interview she gave to the Ladies Home Journal in September 1988 she argued: ''I'm not saying that Lee is innocent, that he didn't know about the conspiracy or was not a part of it, but I am saying he's not necessarily guilty of murder. At first, I thought that Jack Ruby (who killed Oswald two days after the assassination) was swayed by passion; all of America was grieving. But later, we found that he had connections with the underworld. Now, I think Lee was killed to keep his mouth shut.''

Marina added: '' I believe he worked for the American government... He was taught the Russian language when he was in the military. Do you think that is usual, that an ordinary soldier is taught Russian? Also, he got in and out of Russia quite easily, and he got me out quite easily.''

Marina remarried after the death of Lee Harvey Oswald and became known as Marina Oswald Porter. In the 1990s she became involved in a campaign to clear the name if her former husband. In April 1996 she wrote that : "At the time of the assassination of this great president whom I loved, I was misled by the "evidence" presented to me by government authorities and I assisted in the conviction of Lee Harvey Oswald as the assassin. From the new information now available, I am now convinced that he was an FBI informant and believe that he did not kill President Kennedy."

Source

13 posted on 03/08/2005 8:34:02 AM PST by jtminton (<--Updated 02/28)
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Estee Adoram, manager and 23-year veteran employee of the Comedy Cellar, said she doubts that a comic has ever tried to make people laugh about the Kennedy assassination.

Oh, please! Paul Krassner had a totally tasteless routine about the exit wound becoming an entrance wound. I doubt very much that he was unique in treating the Kennedy assassination as fodder for comedy.

14 posted on 03/08/2005 8:35:35 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Someone should just go out to the cemetary with a GPS and record the precise location.

Oswald Grave N 32 43.948’ W 097 12.192’

Source

15 posted on 03/08/2005 8:36:18 AM PST by jtminton (<--Updated 02/28)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Whatever became of Marina?

Good question.

I have a russian friend whose name is Marina. I know that this is a common russian name.

Was Marina Oswald russian?
16 posted on 03/08/2005 8:37:48 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight, act like a Knight)
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To: Monterrosa-24
From her bio:

In 1965 Marina married Dallas carpenter, Kenneth Porter and went to live in Richardson, Texas with her two daughters and her new husband. Later she gave birth to a son.

Marina remarried after the death of Lee Harvey Oswald and became known as Marina Oswald Porter. In the 1990s she became involved in a campaign to clear the name if her former husband.

17 posted on 03/08/2005 8:38:20 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Bear_Slayer

Yep.


18 posted on 03/08/2005 8:40:39 AM PST by jtminton (<--Updated 02/28)
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To: jtminton
Lee Harvey Oswald was buried Nov. 25, 1963 … one day after Oswald was fatally shot by nightclub owner Jack Ruby.

One day. That sure was fast.
19 posted on 03/08/2005 8:42:29 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Hatteras

"What do you want on YOUR tombstone?..."

It's already in my will: "I told you I was sick!"


20 posted on 03/08/2005 8:46:51 AM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: jtminton

Oswald Grave N 32 43.948’ W 097 12.192’

Interesting


21 posted on 03/08/2005 8:47:40 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: jtminton
Alexander said she cannot reveal who owns the plot, for privacy reasons. She has heard the unsubstantiated accounts, many of them circulated on the Internet, that the marker was placed by a comedian with the stage name Nick Beef.

So where's the humor in placing a fake grave site next to a man who killed a president?

Pretty lame comedian, IMO. Now, if he'd had the stone marked "Arch Stanton", that might be worth a chuckle or two (Trivial Pursuit time - the Hollywood Edition...).

22 posted on 03/08/2005 8:49:56 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Bear_Slayer
Was Marina Oswald russian?

I think she was Belarussian. Wasn't she from Minsk?

23 posted on 03/08/2005 8:52:10 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

No, Rochelle, Rochelle was from Minsk. Or she lived there for a time.


24 posted on 03/08/2005 8:58:26 AM PST by rabidralph (Nothing to see here, move along.)
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To: jtminton

"If there is any truth to the story that a comedian tried to turn the national tragedy of Kennedy's murder into a comic skit, his show apparently flopped."

Don't remember a comedian trying to do comedy skit about Kennedy's murder. I do remember a popular comedian (name escapes me but he was a large man whose comedic style was in the wise-cracking Rodney Dangerfield mode) who was dressed down and ordered off stage by Jerry Lewis on his national comedy show shortly after the assassination. His offense was making some off-hand remark along the lines of "so and so, you know, another Harvard man." Disappeared from TV, national career essentially over.

(Of course, considering how bad the Jerry Lewis Show was, maybe just being ON the show killed his career. Sorry France.)


25 posted on 03/08/2005 9:01:32 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: jtminton

I feel a Fox News Alert coming on.


26 posted on 03/08/2005 9:06:14 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: Charles Martel

Bill Carson is buried in the one next to that one, right?


27 posted on 03/08/2005 9:10:32 AM PST by Billthedrill
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28 posted on 03/08/2005 9:14:49 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: Starrgaizr

That really needs to be removed. Very improper.


29 posted on 03/08/2005 9:17:33 AM PST by G32
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To: jtminton

I think Nick Beef is a porn star.


30 posted on 03/08/2005 9:18:35 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: ClearCase_guy

What about the Sienfeld episode where Keith Hernandez spit on Kramer and Newman.


31 posted on 03/08/2005 9:22:30 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Better Nick Beef than Troll:


32 posted on 03/08/2005 9:22:45 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: jtminton
Nick Beef

Beef, Nick

Beatnick

Kennedy was killed by hippies!

33 posted on 03/08/2005 9:22:48 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Hatteras
What do you want on YOUR tombstone?...

"Banned or Temporarily Suspended"

34 posted on 03/08/2005 9:25:40 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Billthedrill

I think the one "next door" is simply marked "Unknown". Either way, one wonders about what's really buried next to ol' Arch...


35 posted on 03/08/2005 9:27:01 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks! The photo of Marina in Minsk (on the link you provided) shows her to be an attractive women. The transcripts of her interviews/cross examinations shows her to be not-to-bright and/or uncooperative.


36 posted on 03/08/2005 9:28:39 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks! The photo of Marina in Minsk (on the link you provided) shows her to be an attractive women. The transcripts of her interviews/cross examinations shows her to be not-to-bright and/or uncooperative.


37 posted on 03/08/2005 9:30:49 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: KC_Conspirator

I thought Roger McDowell spit on Newman and Kramer from the grassy knoll, as Hernandez walked by.


38 posted on 03/08/2005 9:39:20 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: jtminton

What a pitiful photo this is. They didn't do the killing. they look so sad. The brother looks like he is contemplating why and the mother looks like she is cradling the baby with the thought why did your father do this and the wife and little girl...they just look totally lost and alone. Sad to think sometimes people like Oswald and their ilk only think of the moment and not what their selfish acts will do to those left behind to deal with the tragedy, embarassment and the sadness of it all. Personally, I don't give rats teeth who Nick Beef is. It's done. It's over. Why would anyone want to see Oswalds grave anyway? I saw Kennedy's grave once and that is it. What a world we live in.


39 posted on 03/08/2005 9:42:32 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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Now that makes sense. Seems to me in all these years since 1963 that someone would know where the gravesite was. I wouldn't waste my time going there but a lot of people would. Now they know where to go.


40 posted on 03/08/2005 9:47:13 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: jtminton

Andy Kaufman has reserved this plot for when he finally, really, dies.


41 posted on 03/08/2005 9:57:40 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: Vic3O3

Ping for post #15.

Semper Fi


42 posted on 03/08/2005 10:03:56 AM PST by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: Charles Martel
So where's the humor in placing a fake grave site next to a man who killed a president?

The answer is in the article. Apparently he did it as a way to get directions to Oswald's grave for tourists. The cemetery is under court order not to give out directions to Oswald's grave. So he put this marker there so people could ask for directions to "Nick Beef's" grave instead. Perhaps he just got ticked off one day when he went there and was told they couldn't tell him.

43 posted on 03/08/2005 10:59:38 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Hatteras

Sould like an old funeral joke. After a funeral three people are asked what they would want to be said at their service. One says he would like for them to say that he achieved great works and was well known in his field. Another said he would like for them to say that he was a great father and husband. The third said he would like for them to say "Hey, I think he's moving!"


44 posted on 03/08/2005 11:05:31 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: jtminton
Nick Beef was the police-hat-wearing roadie for the Lee Harvey Band


45 posted on 03/08/2005 11:15:37 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

THAT is funny.


46 posted on 03/08/2005 11:24:51 AM PST by jtminton (<--Updated 02/28)
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To: jtminton; Calpernia; lacylu; Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; Donna Lee Nardo; ...

Interesting Ping.


47 posted on 03/08/2005 11:27:38 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: jtminton

I would like to second, third, and fourth that.


48 posted on 03/08/2005 11:28:19 AM PST by mattmullenix
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To: jtminton
http://nickbeef.com/
49 posted on 03/08/2005 11:28:25 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

What would really be funny is if some New York comic billing himself as "Nick Beef" bought the plot with hopes of eventually be buried next to Oswald (for whatever weird ulterior motive) but Mr. Beef happened to be inside the World Trade Center on 9-11 and his remains were vaporized by the terrorist planes and his body was never found to be buried, denying his last wish and making his identity a mystery for the rest of time.

I'm wondering who once owned the plot next to the Oswald plots and decided it would be better to sell it rather than be buried next to an infamous assissin? It's a shame the guy probably sold the plot before there was an e-Bay.

Finally, does Mr. Beef plan to put a tombstone next to John Wilkes Booth or Timothy McVeigh?


50 posted on 03/08/2005 11:58:50 AM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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