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ZOT! U.S.: IRA must disband now
Reuters ^ | Wednesday, March 9, 2005

Posted on 03/09/2005 6:05:20 AM PST by Rogers324

BELFAST, Northern Ireland (Reuters) -- The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group's astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man. "It's time for the IRA to go out of business," U.S. special envoy Mitchell Reiss said Wednesday. For the IRA's political ally Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland's biggest Irish nationalist party, the U.S. demand was yet another blow to its democratic credentials. Reiss told BBC radio: "It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated. "You can't sign up for the rule of law a la carte." The IRA's offer -- also condemned by London and Dublin -- handed fresh ammunition to Protestant rivals who say Sinn Fein is not fit for government until the Irish Republican Army disarms and disbands. The killing of Robert McCartney by a gang including IRA members has plunged the IRA and Sinn Fein into crisis -- coming just weeks after the guerrilla group was blamed for a £26.5 million ($50 million) bank raid in central Belfast. London and Dublin say there can be no progress on restoring the British-ruled province's regional government -- set up under a 1998 peace deal to share power between divided Protestants and Catholics -- until the issue of IRA criminality is resolved. Home rule was suspended in 2002 when unionists, who support ties to Britain, said they would no longer sit in government with Sinn Fein until the IRA got rid of the weapons which sustained its three-decade campaign against British rule. "It is their declared intent to murder," said hardline Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley in response to the IRA move.

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To: Rogers324
Im not supporting the IRA, and its killings...But I do support the Political Wing. The IRA killings was a response to British Murders and Assinations that had been going on for hundreds of years.

Do I have to give a history lesson about England VS. The Irish Republic?



I'm more than familiar with the history of what King James nad Britian did until the present day. What happened 300, 200, 100, 50, or even 10 years ago does not give anyone the right to blow up innocent people with nail bombs. The IRA is a mudering bunch of thugs, and supporting them is the same as murder in the eyes of God.
21 posted on 03/09/2005 6:19:15 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything. The IRA murders one, they get hoisted upon their own petard.

Michael Collins and Eamon De Valera would beg to differ with your assessment of "doing nothing".

Ireland gained it's independence in 1922.  The partition of the north was part of that settlement.  Of course people were not happy with that but they were more tired of the bloodshed and just plain worn out.

The modern IRA is not the IRA of 1916.  The IRA of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness is a criminal organization using the ruse of Republicanism to continue their rackets.

Yes, I'm aware of the Ian Paisley and the other Protestant malcontents that foment division with the marching season every year but the Sinn Fien/IRA was at the cusp of becoming a legitimate political party but as most people on this board already knew, they just weren't honorable enough to live up to the task.

Let them consigned to the dustbin of history.

22 posted on 03/09/2005 6:19:21 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Rogers324

What's the problem with disarming then?

Cheers.


23 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:29 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything.

To the time machine. Let's corect all past deeds NOW.

24 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:34 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything. The IRA murders one, they get hoisted upon their own petard.

Are you joking?! Go take this idiotic argument to a reparations for Black Americans board. You should find lots of friends there.

25 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:36 AM PST by old and tired
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To: TBarnett34

The problem is the bias against Irish Catholics in London.
The Catholic vs. Protestant rift runs deep. It has caused death from Dublin to the five points. The IRA began as an Armed struggle, and does now need to disarm. But you cannot deny the IRA the right to assemble and support Sinn Fein.

http://sinnfein.org/


26 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:46 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

No one ever talks about the orangmen and the many they have killed.


27 posted on 03/09/2005 6:21:07 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Rogers324
The problem is the bias against Irish Catholics in London. Perhaps. I see an awful lot of anti-British bias in Americans of Irish descent who never ever lived in Ireland and maybe visited once.
28 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:14 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Incorrigible

Right on!
Its plain that the IRA are nothing but terrorists and gangsters now that they have no excuse to continue with their 'struggle'. Demographics, the ballot box and a booming Irish economy wil see to that. Catholics, y'see, they breed like...Catholics [or Palestinians, to which this somewhat relates...] The romantic notions of Irish Americans are very sweet until they goes beyond the Guiness and the Joyce.


29 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:51 AM PST by johnmilken (75% of my posts are proved wrong within 10 minutes...)
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To: Rogers324; TBarnett34; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; mhking; ...


30 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:55 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Rogers324

Telling the IRA to "DISBAND" is different than "Disarm"


31 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:56 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

>The IRA killings was a response to British Murders and Assinations that had been going on for hundreds of years.

B.S.!

The killings are their m.o. for silencing anyone who dares to oppose their marxist and criminal activity. They try to color this with a green republican face, but their primary aim is to turn Ireland into another Cuba.

They'd off you in a second if they thought you had the goods on them.


32 posted on 03/09/2005 6:23:05 AM PST by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: TBarnett34
thugs similar to the ones we're fighting and killing in Iraq

You can not compare the Irish to those 6th century goons in the middle east. Not to make light of the situation but at least the Irish guy can blow up something and go back to the pub, unlike these fools blowing themselves up :-)

33 posted on 03/09/2005 6:23:40 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Rogers324

Terrorist sympathizers sicken my stomach.


34 posted on 03/09/2005 6:23:53 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Rogers324
You're advocating tyranny of the minority -- that because an obvious minority in Ireland isn't getting their way, they should be allowed to go stabbing and blowing people up?

I don't care who people assemble to support. But when they commit acts such as these to achieve their ends, they lose any and all credibility.

If the leaders of Sinn Fein had any brains in their collective skulls, they'd condemn these brutal acts. What they're doing today is no different than with the Islamofascists and their "supporters".

35 posted on 03/09/2005 6:24:19 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: johnmilken

I am worried that ordering the IRA to disband (Which London has also done) Will only worsen things.
It will just give the IRA one more cause to use. Its own survival.
When backed into a corner, it will do anything to surivive.
That is true with all things.


36 posted on 03/09/2005 6:25:02 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Moleman
You can not compare the Irish to those 6th century goons in the middle east. Not to make light of the situation but at least the Irish guy can blow up something and go back to the pub, unlike these fools blowing themselves up :-)

Hah! You've got a point! (and I'm 1/3 Irish, myself...)

Okay, I really need to get to class!

37 posted on 03/09/2005 6:25:31 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: Rogers324

You are a troll.


38 posted on 03/09/2005 6:26:16 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Rogers324; Happygal

The Irish government wants the IRA to disband. As Happygal (of Wexford, Ireland) has noted - the one thing that unites every other political party in the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland is hatred for Sinn Fein / IRA.

Ivan


39 posted on 03/09/2005 6:26:20 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Rogers324
Your anti-American terrorist pals are finally getting some of the attention they so richly deserve.

From today's WSJ (subscription only) ...

It is no wonder, therefore, that Messrs. Adams and McGuinness have assumed that they could get away with anything. Yet even after September 11, they have been largely exempted from the full rigors of the anti-terrorism consensus. This anomaly must be rectified: Sinn Fein/IRA is a viciously anti-American movement whose closest foreign collaborators include the PLO (Arafat is a particular hero to republicans); the Colombian FARC (to whom it has supplied urban warfare techniques in exchange for cash to fund its rise to power in the Irish Republic); Castro's Cuba; and Hugo Chávez's Venezuela (where many IRA men, including a close relative of Gerry Adams, hang out). Significantly, one of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's lieutenants gave an interview recently to Time magazine in which he cited Sinn Fein/IRA's success as the model for the Iraqi insurgents' admixture of political and military action.

Sinn Fein/IRA was in the vanguard of opposition to giving U.S. military aircraft landing rights at Shannon International Airport during the Iraq war -- a privilege that would end if it entered an Irish coalition. Its policy documents have historically been hostile to private property and now advocate an increased capital-gains tax on owners of multiple properties and a 50% tax band for those who earn over €100,000. They also want a rethink of the role of multinationals in Ireland. U.S. investors beware: The combination of official and unofficial Mafia-style taxes will make a Sinn Fein/IRA-run Ireland a profoundly bad return on your money.

The second Bush administration is increasingly sensitive to the shift in Irish opinion. It now seems certain that Mr. Adams will not come within a hundred miles of the White House for the annual St. Patrick's Day party. Instead, invitations have gone out to the sisters of Robert McCartney, who have launched a campaign for justice that has already won the heart of southern Ireland. But an even more public rebuff is now required for republicans. One of the most popular women in Ireland today is Ann McCabe, widow of a southern Catholic police officer slain by the IRA in County Limerick in 1996. She has been determined that the killers do not benefit from the early release schemes of the peace process. She is no less deserving of an invitation to the White House. And at a political level, Sinn Fein/IRA should go back on the State Department's list of proscribed terrorist organization

40 posted on 03/09/2005 6:26:57 AM PST by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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