Skip to comments.Anti-Smoking Nazi info needed...
Posted on 03/09/2005 1:33:14 PM PST by zbigreddogz
I need some help. I have a generally conservative friend who is completely convinced that everyone who goes to a smoke-filled bar more then once in their life is gonna die lf lung cancer, etc. And is working to get smoking in bars and resturants banned in my state :(
I've read studies that show second-hand smoke isn't nearly as harmful as the MSM tries to make it out to be, but I've been short of luck finding them online. Can anybody link me to them?
Last I heard, bars and restaurants were PRIVATE establishments. People who don't want to breathe smoke shouldn't go to the ones that allow it.
Follow some sage advice: You cannot use common sense to talk someone out of a position they didn't use common sense to get into in the first place.
She, Gabz, you ladies have any sources?
You might go to FORCES International evidence archives.
Some things are not curable. Even if you show your friend the kind of information you are seeking, it won't matter. The justification for the action might change, but trust me, it will continue.
Let me call you a WAAHHHHmbulance
I suggest going to the Penn & Teller "Bu115it" site
The most commonly quoted studies in arguing for the dangers of second hand smoke do not really support the dangers of second hand smoke.
There's a new study out today that claims second hand smoke contributes to breast cancer. This will of course be used to ban smoking on the streets and in all areas, such as apartments and motels where even those not directly in contact with the smoker might potentially, possibly, remotely be exposed to a whiff of smoke. It's going to get worse before it--well, it's not ever going to get better. Don't mention this study to your friend. It will only give him more ammo.
good one. I like that!
Ban campfires! Ban perfume! Ban all cleaning supplies! Ban wet dogs!
Well your quest is doomed...CNN is running today with the story of second hand smoke causing breast cancer.
I think I actually saw a commercial here in Canada that states that second hand smoke is more harmful than actual smoking.The commercial shows a mom smoking in the kitchen and the evil blue smoke floats to the living room where 2 innocent children are playing.(shock and horror all around)
I guess given their rhetoric in this commercial,the last scene should be the dad handing out the cigarettes to the kids,saying here let's fight the dreaded second hand smoke scourge...!
Just a tip: Your "friend" doesn't believe any of that nonsense anyway, he just doesn't like the smell of tobacco smoke. What does he do around smokers? Does he flee in panic, or grin and bear it, or stage a phony coughing fit? If he actually runs away from tobacco smoke as if it's radioactive then he's too stupid to be anyone's friend.
I am no extremest. All my grandparents died from smoking related diseases and my 36 year old sister is addicted bad. Smoking sucks!
The results were issued in typical junk science style via a quick-and-dirty slideshow presentation at the annual meeting of the American College of Cardiology (search). Six months later, the study still is not available to the public.
Slick junk scientists often choose the science-by-press conference mode of releasing results because they know their immediate audience likely will not be able to ask probing questions -- a tough thing to do when only sketchy details are hurriedly presented to people with no familiarity of the research conducted.
Many postings look more like a witch hunt than a scientific debate."
9-16-03 - Looking for a surer method of being ripped apart than entering a lion's den covered with catnip? Conduct the most exhaustive, longest-running study on second-hand smoke and death. Find no connection. Then rather than being PC and hiding your data in a vast warehouse next to the Ark of the Covenant, publish it in one of the world's most respected medical journals.
Dr Proctor said passive smoking could cause problems for asthmatics and there were people who did not want to be exposed to cigarette smoke but there was no scientific basis for a ban in public.
The world's leading health organization has withheld from publication a study which shows that not only might there be no link between passive smoking and lung cancer but that it could even have a protective effect. The astounding results are set to throw wide open the debate on passive smoking health risks.
Second Hand Smoke: The Evidence
Dozens of bar owners and representatives from casinos, restaurant industry trade groups and tobacco companies spoke during the two-hour open forum. Many of the speakers came to the forum from Canada, where several cities have passed or are considering totally banning smoking in restaurants, bars and bingo parlors. Most of the restaurant owners said they have lost or will lose up to 25% of their business if a smoking ban in enacted in their communities.
The argument that this is being done "for smokers' own good" is demeaning: our bodies are not government property. The argument that smokers cost society money is specious: about one third of us considerately die before cashing in on social security. The argument that smoke is harmful to others is nothing but a subterfuge: the risk of second-hand smoke exposure has been so outrageously distorted that it amounts to an outright lie.
In 1998 the link made by the EPA Report in 1993 between secondary smoke and cancer was thrown out in a Federal Court because the statistics were bent to support a predetermined conclusion and normal scientific guidelines were ignored.
THE EPA ETS FRAUD
THE WORLD HAS BEEN CHEATED BY THE ANTI-TOBACCO CARTEL
It may be politically correct to attack secondhand smoke, but it is not scientifically correct nor, in the Courts opinion, legally correct.
It doesn't matter, smokers here don't care. I have an eye condition and I can't go near smoke. This is not imaginary, I have a scar on my cornea and smoke is enough of an irritant to expand the scar causing a loss of vision.
I have had occasions where I couldn't go into a building because of the smoke. Last year I had to go into a Bingo Hall to get signatures on a nominating petition. I couldn't go in and had to sit outside in the freezing cold because I had the choice to freeze or lose my vision.
I had a great time in New York City this summer because I could go into any bar or restaurant instead of having to sit outside or stay in my hotel room. Not to mention that I didn't have to bring a plastic bag for my clothes that I would be taking home in my suitcase because they didn't smell like smoke.
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