Posted on 03/10/2005 9:52:47 PM PST by jb6
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, visiting Germany for the first time, praised Ukraine’s bilateral relationship with Germany and expressed his thanks and that of his country for German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder’s special personal role during Ukraine’s peaceful democratization this past November, the outcome of which was the election of Yushchenko as President in December. Economic relations were the main focus during Chancellor Schröder’s meeting with President Yushchenko in Berlin on March 9.
“Germany is partner Number One for Ukraine in Europe,” President Yushchenko said during a joint appearance before the press with Chancellor Schröder. “The economic relations between our two countries have reached a [significant] magnitude. This is a firm and good foundation on which we can build up our bilateral relations.”
In November 2004, Chancellor Schröder stated that he agreed with the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) that election fraud had been perpetrated on a massive scale in the Ukrainian presidential election, and he called for a peaceful resolution of the dispute over the outcome. Yushchenko was declared the winner after a re-run of the second round of the presidential elections, held on December 26, 2004.
“You deserve my personal, sincere thanks for this position, and of course, the thanks of my whole nation,” Yushchenko said at the conclusion of his remarks on March 9.
Chancellor Schröder spoke of the “very, very good bilateral relations” between Germany and Ukraine and said the two leaders had agreed to bring a new dynamic into the relationship. “Germany will be helpful in the process of bringing Ukraine to the euro-Atlantic structures,” Schröder said. “We want to support Ukraine’s desire to soon receive from the European Union the status of market economy, and of course, we will be active on behalf of Ukraine’s membership in the WTO.”
The Chancellor emphasized that he and Yushchenko were in agreement that this new dynamic is not oriented against anyone, but is exclusively in the interest of the two peoples, and moreover, that the two leaders have a great interest in working together closely with everyone on the region.
President Yushchenko also addressed the German parliament on March 9.
March 9, 2005
Expect Polish defense spending to increase.
Exactly. Germany invades when their unemployment rate hits 14%.
"It would be totally wrong to agree a date in bilateral talks," said Schroeder after being asked by reporters if he had given Yushchenko a concrete EU target date.
Instead, Schroeder pledged to support Kiev's moves toward what he more vaguely termed "the Euro-Atlantic structures."
Earlier, Chancellor Schroeder announced the creation of a high- level group with officials from the German and Ukrainian economics ministries to target key bilateral projects in order to expand trade relations.
Germany wanted a new dynamic in ties with Ukraine, said Schroeder, who was quick to add, however, that upgrading relations was "not aimed at anybody" - a clear reference to his close political ally Russian President Vladimir Putin.
PING !
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The Ukraine is reliant on help from its neighbours in the west. Especially Poland and Germany are important to keep Yushchenko fragile status quo, since everything will be decided in the sucessful (or not) change of the eastern Ukraine. There are the worst problems to solve. Investments, new customers and new ideas for this area are most likely to be found in Ukraines two closest EU-neighbours. Therefore it is only logical that President Yushchenko visited Germany.
There is a lot of work to do for him: The German gouvernment and espechially the conservative German opposition (CDU) are not convinced in a EU-membership of the Ukraine while the Poles seem to be much more open. BTW - The German opposition already insulted lots of potential EU-members (like Turkey) with their concept of a "privileged partnership" without any need. I am a littlebit afraid this unpleasant discussion could roll back, if the Ukraine doesn't appear more stable in the German media. The German foreign secretary Fischer tolerated massive Visa corruption in the German embassy in Kiew. Although the Ukrainians were absolutely not responisble for it, they have to pay a price instead of Fischer. This is something that has to be corrected.
I hope to God that you don't sign that EU unConstitution. Stay free. As you've probably noticed there are several "polish" disruptors here who aggitate for the EU at every opportunity. The EU will make the past 50 years of Polish history worthless, as it is basically the same New European Order as Hitler imagined (even basically minus Christianity, like Hitler wanted) minus the war of conquest.
You mean the Communist run Moldovia? Thought so, where none EU observers were banned to make sure the none-Leftist opposition didn't win. Very EUish.
Oh You breaking my heart, but don’t you think that it is time for you stop answering to my posts and stop writing what you think about me?
When lies are stated, I'll counter them. This, thankfully is not the EU, here in the US there is freedom of discourse and the duty to counter lies, especially EU ones.
So you declared this as a fact? So you wish to make Poland into an axis of Evil? I'm sure there are some level headed Poles here who would be very interested in your ideas. Tell us more of your plans.
But please, tell us more about your plans. We really would like to know.
So please friends review what is written and if I'm wrong, by God's mercy, please correct me.
You accused me of accusing you of lieing when I didn't take you seriously, so the only alternative was that you were serious...well unless of course you were purposely trying to be disruptive and start a flame war, which I'm sure you wouldn't be trying to do, would you?
Every way is good to get Ukraine as far from Russian sphere of influence as possible.
Your word games are very leftist, but we know no one here would be a leftists, would they? I mean, a leftist on a conservative board would be a disruptor and we all know you're not here to disrupt but to contribute, so please stop using such tactics and state concretely what you position is.
So I take it you don't support Lukasz's stance that Poland should join an Axis of Evil against America? That's good, at least one of you has a voice of reason.
Every way is good to get Ukraine as far from Russian sphere of influence as possible.
So you do support Lukasz's desire to start an Axis of Evil. That is very disturbing. Hmmm. I'll have to think on this. Very disturbing in deed. "Every way" hmmm, yes very disturbing and on a conservative board no less.
That's in reference to the EU, which is against Polish sovereignty. Now as a Pole do you or do you not support the defense of Poland's independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty from any organization claiming extra-national ownership or control over Poland?
I wasn't at first, took it as sarcasm, as you can see by my posts. But then Lukasz accused me of accusing him of lying and asked why I didn't take him seriously. My only alternative is to believe he was serious.
You know very well it's rhetoric.
Guys, I think we all need to chill out. Maybe we should make an obligation - not to post anything about Russia for - lets say - 3 days?
Well that's up for interpretation isn't it? A man who's of German ancestory in Poland might say it's best for Poland to be part of Germany and have a German culture.
That however does not mean he's loyal to an independent Poland. Look, I'll state right here and right now: I swore to defend the Constitution of these United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic. Thus, I am against any over arching organization or treaty that infringes upon America's sovereignty and independence.
Why can't you say the same thing for Poland? I know it couldn't be because you don't support an independent Poland. That wouldn't be very conservative, just the opposite really. And anyone with those views shouldn't be on a conservative board. I'm sure there are several Poles here who would be very interested to know why you can't publically make that statement.
Because that wasn't aimed at that statement now was it? Intellectual honesty would dictate that conclusion, unless one was purposely taking something out of context, again a very leftist move, so I'm sure you weren't doing that, you must have just been mistaken.
You really think that those countries above creating axis of evil against America? I’m just curious, what you think about that.
Well, it isn't I who is making grandious declarations of making Axis of Evils, now is it?
By the way, I'll ask you the same qustion that two of your friends already (and I can't seem to understand why) refused to answer:
Now as a Pole do you or do you not support the defense of Poland's independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty from any organization claiming extra-national ownership or control over Poland?
Good dance, you enjoy Poland's independence but you refuse to make a public statement to the effect of: Now as a Pole do you or do you not support the defense of Poland's independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty from any organization claiming extra-national ownership or control over Poland?
And don’t ask me about EU’s constitution, you know very well that all Poles on FR are against.
No actually I don't. I know of specific Poles who are against the EU and it's unConstitution and they have come out and stated their loyalty is to Poland period. You are not one of them.
Care to put it down on public record?
Jb6, this post was just typical for you. One of those blaming me and my family for being communists, without knowing anything about my record.
No, the post is typical of you. First, your family, where on earth did I even say anything about your family? No where. As for you, I judge you by your words and actions here, that's the record you leave to be judged by.
You just offend people, who you don't even know, without any reason. Probably that was the reason why you got suspened yesterday
You offend me and others to, but the point of your indignation is my questioning of your loyalty to Poland. So then put it to rest, once and for all. Are your first loyalties to defend and uphold a free, democratic, INDEPENDENT and sovereign Poland?
You mean you find this offensive?
Just of curiosity, - show my one, single post written by me, proving your judgement I quoted above, or that I aggitate for the EU (because I assume, that one of those "several "polish" disruptors here who aggitate for the EU at every opportunity" mentioned by you in #12 is supposed to be me.
Whether or not you include yourself in that statement is up to you, solely. Others will judge you by your actions and words, like whether or not you are loyal to an independent and sovereign Poland.
So it's below your dignity to declare your loyalty to a free, independent, sovereign Poland? That is very said.
I doubt your country knows it, so here declare it for your fellow Poles who declared their alliegance to Poland not some foreign over arching body: A.POLE, anonymoussierra. I'm sure they would be interested in knowing if your loyalty is to a free, independent, sovereign Poland or to a socialist EU super state that wants a hobbled, owned and none sovereign Poland as a province.
ehh Boring, you are messing as always, I answered enough clearly. Anyway you will interpret my words like you want that is why there is no sense to talk with you at all. I find this interesting that you didn’t wanted to answer to my questions. Now read post #14 once again. Bye!
No, I don't. You put up a post for public consumption, it gets answered. You refuse to state your loyalty to your motherland, Poland, well that says quite a lot about you and everyone who reads this thread will know where you stand. If the shoe fits, wear it.
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