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Yale Student: Reclaiming Christianity From the Christian Right
Yale Daily News ^ | 3/11/2005 | Bess Hinson

Posted on 03/11/2005 10:53:49 AM PST by ShinerBock

"On the train ride back to Yale from Boston in the morning hours of Nov. 3, 2004, my best friend looked at me through eyes tearing with frustration and said, “Your people did this.” She turned her head to the aisle and spent our trip upset and without words.

I am a Christian. I also grew up in the American South. “My people”--both Christians and Southerners, according to my friend and many Yale students--are changing our nation with a conservative agenda.

That agenda is not mine. Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

It is possible for Christians to represent such God-like views and not be radical judgmentalists. It is possible for Christians to be loving, kind, conversational and respectful of persons of different faiths."

(Excerpt) Read more at yaledailynews.com ...


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She apparently is a "pro-choice Christian" who thinks that all conservative Christians base their convictions in "bigotry, prejudice and ignorance" and are closet racists.

Her email address: elizabeth.hinson@yale.edu

1 posted on 03/11/2005 10:53:49 AM PST by ShinerBock
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To: ShinerBock

Doesn't sound like it was "her people" at all - most Loonietarians and Metropolitan Community Church types voted for Kerry.


2 posted on 03/11/2005 10:55:49 AM PST by ikka
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To: ShinerBock
believe in separation of church and state

You believe in Jefferson's letter and not the Constitution.

3 posted on 03/11/2005 10:56:21 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: ShinerBock
Yale Student

Wow, shortest article I ever read!

4 posted on 03/11/2005 10:56:29 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: ShinerBock
the Christian Right

As opposed to the Atheist Left?

5 posted on 03/11/2005 10:56:36 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Puppage
As opposed to the Atheist Left?

Or the Atheist Right?

6 posted on 03/11/2005 10:57:32 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShinerBock

What Bible is this wolf-in-sheeps-clothing reading?


7 posted on 03/11/2005 10:58:12 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("..nunchuck skills, bo-staff skills, computer hacking skills....")
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To: ShinerBock

It's amazing how many words some people can use without actually saying anything.


8 posted on 03/11/2005 10:58:30 AM PST by william clark
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To: Puppage

I like how in describing her heritage she talks so much about how racist Evangelicals are. Like THAT's going to win them over to your side.


9 posted on 03/11/2005 10:58:34 AM PST by ShinerBock
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To: ikka

I think that her friend meant to say, "You People". She should just give up and move to Canada and be done with it, both of them.


10 posted on 03/11/2005 10:58:48 AM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs off the coffee table.)
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To: ShinerBock

Parents don't let your kids grow up to be college students.


11 posted on 03/11/2005 10:59:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ShinerBock
I am a Christian. I also grew up in the American South. “My people”--both Christians and Southerners, according to my friend and many Yale students--are changing our nation with a conservative agenda.
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This is the great lie. Look at the last 50 years and tell me who has been forcing their changes and agenda on this country. It is not the political right.

12 posted on 03/11/2005 11:00:01 AM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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To: ShinerBock

Sounds like Howard Dean saying "The Christian Church doesn't belong to Rush Limbaugh".


13 posted on 03/11/2005 11:00:04 AM PST by Semper Paratus (:)
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To: ShinerBock

She is apparently profoundly ashamed at being at Southerner and a Christian. She feels a need to prove that she isn't "intolerant" or "judgemental".


14 posted on 03/11/2005 11:00:32 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: ShinerBock
Not to worry--this trembling, sniveling, trite little twit couldn't reclaim her coat from the coatroom.
15 posted on 03/11/2005 11:00:39 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: bmwcyle
believe in separation of church and state

You believe in Jefferson's letter and not the Constitution.

Apparently Jefferson was paraphrasing Roger Williams. That's not mentioned a lot. It's interesting considering William's circumstances.
16 posted on 03/11/2005 11:01:03 AM PST by Borges
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To: ShinerBock

The man who will stand for anything, stands for nothing.


17 posted on 03/11/2005 11:01:30 AM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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To: Aquinasfan

The difference between the Christian Left and the Christian right is that the left believes in the "10 suggestions unless it is inconvienent" and the part about " go and sin no more"


18 posted on 03/11/2005 11:02:14 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: ShinerBock
She turned her head to the aisle and spent our trip upset and without words.

Can't we all just get alongneck?

19 posted on 03/11/2005 11:02:39 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: ladtx

Oops sorry. Should be can't we all just get along?


20 posted on 03/11/2005 11:03:53 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: ShinerBock

sorry to offend the author (and others perhaps), but the Bible does not teach that God loves all people, which the author says is one of her core beliefs....


21 posted on 03/11/2005 11:05:31 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ShinerBock
Bess and her best friend are very, very close .. it seems.
All was comforted later when the clickity clack of Amtrak ceased it's rythmic cadence ...
this is a heartbeat .. this ia a heartbeat .. this is a heartbeat .. this is a heartbeat ..
22 posted on 03/11/2005 11:06:02 AM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: ShinerBock
"On the train ride back to Yale from Boston in the morning hours of Nov. 3, 2004, my best friend looked at me through eyes tearing with frustration and said, “Your people did this.” She turned her head to the aisle and spent our trip upset and without words

I know this makes me a bad, bad person, but I couldn't help but get a shot of Schadenfreude when I read this part :)

23 posted on 03/11/2005 11:06:04 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: ShinerBock

Don't the Unitarian/Universalists call themselves
"Christian"?


24 posted on 03/11/2005 11:06:48 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: ShinerBock
As a Christian, I am more concerned with people's actions than I am with titles, and I believe that people can only prove their Christianity through love and commitment to Jesus' teachings. Otherwise, they cannot consider themselves to be affiliated with the same kind of Christianity I profess.

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A new definition of "tolerance".

25 posted on 03/11/2005 11:06:53 AM PST by trisham
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To: little jeremiah; scripter; ArGee

Ping


26 posted on 03/11/2005 11:07:43 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Paradox

OK, I've emailed her, chiding her for making such a non-substantive argument. If you're going to call us racists, then you at least need to make some decent arguments!

elizabeth.hinson@yale.edu


27 posted on 03/11/2005 11:08:21 AM PST by ShinerBock
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To: All

Ah, the liberal arrogance again.

Just as liberals are more intelligent, more compassionate, and morally superior to conservatives. They know better than the masses what's best for us. It doesn't surprise me at all that they would claim to be better Christians.

Maybe they could try that approach in the next election.


28 posted on 03/11/2005 11:08:34 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: Sam the Sham

"She is apparently profoundly ashamed at being at Southerner and a Christian."

That is exactly what I thought - she doesn't have the conviction to live the way she was raised at Yale - so she will lash out at it. Nothing like a rebellious college kid.


29 posted on 03/11/2005 11:09:00 AM PST by Cathy
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To: ShinerBock

So her friend was balling on the train because Bush won an election?

And then blames it on her friend?

Your problem is not conservative Christians, lady. It's the morons you hang out with.


30 posted on 03/11/2005 11:09:02 AM PST by BigTime
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To: ShinerBock

Another 29 year-old college student heard from.


31 posted on 03/11/2005 11:09:37 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ShinerBock

She's not a Christian. Period. Supporting homosexuality and abortion are proof positive. End of discussion.


32 posted on 03/11/2005 11:10:26 AM PST by rcofdayton
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To: BigTime

Where does she get off calling us ignorant when she doesn't even make a real argument against us? All she does is level charges that conservative Christinas are unloving, judgmental, intolerant, racist. Is that all the substance she has?

If anyone is ignorant, it's her. She has no understanding of the political dynamics of this country. The Christian right hasn't "duped" anyone. If they did, then who's the ignorant one?


33 posted on 03/11/2005 11:11:17 AM PST by ShinerBock
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I didn't catch that in the essay. This maudlin ninnypanties is almost THIRTY?!


34 posted on 03/11/2005 11:12:44 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
What Bible is this wolf-in-sheeps-clothing reading?

The Newly Expurgated and Revised New Revised Living Plain Inglish Wimmin's Version,Third Edition naturally. Doesn't everyone?

35 posted on 03/11/2005 11:13:05 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: JohnnyZ

LOL!


36 posted on 03/11/2005 11:13:35 AM PST by tsmith130
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To: ShinerBock
As a Christian, I am more concerned with people's actions than I am with titles, and I believe that people can only prove their Christianity through love and commitment to Jesus' teachings.
Trust me, honey, killing the unborn ain't love.
37 posted on 03/11/2005 11:14:30 AM PST by eastsider
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To: ShinerBock

If a Christian is murdering babies, then us "right-wing" Christians surely shouldn't call them to task over such a thing. I couldn't bear it if they called me ignorant. /sarcasm


38 posted on 03/11/2005 11:15:04 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Christianity's problem isn't conservative Christians. It's people like her who gut Christian doctrine and still parade around as "Christians". You can't be a Christian if you abandon everything distinctive about it!


39 posted on 03/11/2005 11:16:30 AM PST by ShinerBock
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To: ShinerBock

I wonder if she will want to "reclaim" Christianity from

- "Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?" (Matt 20:15)

- "If you will enter into life, keep the Commandments." (Matt 19:17)

- "The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil... The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace..." (Matthew 13:28-43)

- "...outside are the homosexuals, those who misuse drugs in connection with the occult, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." (Rev 22:15)

Based on the article, I would guess she would rather reclaim Christianity from the founder of that faith.


40 posted on 03/11/2005 11:16:58 AM PST by ewin
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To: Mamzelle

You caught me. I just assumed it.

I know I'm being cynical. ;)


41 posted on 03/11/2005 11:17:05 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: antiRepublicrat

Or as opposed to the Christian (or Atheist) Wrong!


42 posted on 03/11/2005 11:17:09 AM PST by caseinpoint ((Death penalty is a great pesticide, and it works with just one application))
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To: ladtx
Don't be sorry. I thought you meant that "get alongneck" was the Liberal equivalent of a redneck.
43 posted on 03/11/2005 11:17:15 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ShinerBock

Another pro-choice Christian who doesn't read her Bible. Where are these people coming from? Cheez.


44 posted on 03/11/2005 11:18:36 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: ShinerBock

Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation. It is possible for Christians to represent such God-like views and not be radical judgmentalists. It is possible for Christians to be loving, kind, conversational and respectful of persons of different faiths.

A wolf in sheep's clothing. Oh, oh, there I go being judgemental.


45 posted on 03/11/2005 11:18:40 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: ShinerBock

A Christian at Yale, now that's gotta be a contradiction


46 posted on 03/11/2005 11:21:09 AM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Mayor of Jesusland)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

If being a Christian at Yale means stripping Christianity of all its moral beliefs, then I wouldn't exactly call it Christianity. And she claims to be a Baptist...weird.


47 posted on 03/11/2005 11:22:31 AM PST by ShinerBock
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To: ShinerBock
Most of the time, I just have to admit that there are many people who call themselves "Christian" who have far different opinions from Jesus' in their relationships with others. The definition of "Christian" should not include people who are so judgmental that they are not willing to leave "final judgment" to God.

That girl needs to re-read Paul's first letter to the church in Corinth (assuming she's ever read it in the first place).

48 posted on 03/11/2005 11:23:03 AM PST by naturalized (Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking.)
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To: Puppage
the Christian Right
As opposed to the Atheist Left?

As opposed to the Christian Wrong!

49 posted on 03/11/2005 11:23:55 AM PST by Migraine
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To: BigTime
So her friend was balling on the train because Bush won an election?

Actually her friend on the train was too morose and busy bawling to do any balling, even though it may have helped assuage her sorrow.

50 posted on 03/11/2005 11:24:20 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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