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Boeing-Wichita Issues 8,100 Layoff Notices
AP via Yahoo ^ | 11 Mar 2005 | AP staff

Posted on 03/11/2005 1:16:26 PM PST by ladtx

Associated Press
Boeing-Wichita Issues 8,100 Layoff Notices
Friday March 11, 4:00 pm ET

Boeing-Wichita Issues 8,100 Layoff Notices As Part of Sale Process to Onex Corp.

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) -- Boeing Co. issued 8,100 layoff notices Friday as part of its sale of commercial aircraft operations in Wichita to Onex Corp., with those workers being asked to apply for their old jobs with the buyer.

The 60-day notices went to 5,200 hourly and 2,900 salaried production and service workers, said Boeing spokesman Dick Ziegler. Engineers have not yet received pink slips.

The notices are part of the separation and re-employment process required as the Chicago-based aerospace leader transfers assets to Toronto-based Onex. Workers were asked to sign waivers allowing release of their personnel information to be considered for new employment with Onex.

Onex is forming a separate aircraft company in Wichita, which it has temporarily named Midwestern Aircraft Systems until a more permanent name is determined, said Ziegler, who also received a layoff notice.

In a memo sent Wednesday to employees, Boeing executive Jeff Turner assured employees that receiving a notice is not reason to panic or to assume they would not have a job with Onex.

Onex agreed last month to buy Boeing's massive commercial aircraft plant in Wichita, plus other work sites in Tulsa and McAlester, Okla., for $900 million cash and the assumption of $300 million debt. The sale is part of Boeing's strategy to focus its commercial aircraft business on design and final assembly.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: boeing; layoff; wichita
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The other shoe falls in Wichita.
1 posted on 03/11/2005 1:16:27 PM PST by ladtx
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To: ladtx

Anti-union end run. Nicely done.


2 posted on 03/11/2005 1:17:42 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: ladtx

Corporate version of musical chairs.


3 posted on 03/11/2005 1:18:16 PM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau

>>Corporate version of musical chairs.<<

Except they only hire back the "non-dead" wood. Of course, I say this as an ex-boeing employee familiar with the Seattle work environment at the company. Wichita could be different.


4 posted on 03/11/2005 1:19:48 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: patco13

Agreed. They did indeed have their time. So did the US.


6 posted on 03/11/2005 1:31:54 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: patco13
Corrupt as they have become in modern times, unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay.

Yeah, and it kills these super-capitalists every time they think of how that cost them dividends.

7 posted on 03/11/2005 1:33:02 PM PST by raybbr
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To: patco13
unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay.

And don't forget safer working conditions.

8 posted on 03/11/2005 1:34:53 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: patco13
Corrupt as they have become in modern times, unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay.

So.....what? So members are supposed to continue to fork over increasing amounts of money for nothing in return? Is that the cost of the things you site? I'm not sure I get your point. "They've really become corrupt, and exist only to line their own pockets, but we owe them a debt of gratitude which can never be paid off?"

9 posted on 03/11/2005 1:36:05 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: primeval patriot

Unions aren't perfect, but working conditions would be horrible without them.


10 posted on 03/11/2005 1:41:41 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: patco13

Actually, Federal and State governments brought all those things. Starting in 1905 or so, States legislated hour and pay minimums, benefits, unemployment insurance, etc., and the Federal Government started applying those rules to Federal employees, contracters, and inter-state railroads.

Unions negotiated various of these things, but they didn't take over the workplace until the Federal Government legalized the closed shop in 1935/36. The unions were thereafter acting on behalf of the Government, give or take Taft-Hartley.


11 posted on 03/11/2005 1:42:28 PM PST by nicollo
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To: RobRoy

>>Corporate version of musical chairs.<<

>Except they only hire back the "non-dead" wood.

Yep, less chairs left when the music stops.


12 posted on 03/11/2005 1:48:05 PM PST by glorgau
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To: RobRoy

Was Wichita where they built the 717?


13 posted on 03/11/2005 1:48:18 PM PST by Righty_McRight ("Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter" Proverbs 24:11)
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To: Righty_McRight

717? Isn't that some sort of temporary name for the DC9 or something like that?


14 posted on 03/11/2005 1:57:10 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: Righty_McRight

The 717 is/was Long Beach isn't it?


15 posted on 03/11/2005 1:59:19 PM PST by Daus
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To: RobRoy

I'm not sure. It was the plane they stopped making last year.


16 posted on 03/11/2005 1:59:49 PM PST by Righty_McRight ("Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter" Proverbs 24:11)
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To: Willie Green

How did you miss this one? Sleeping on the job?


17 posted on 03/11/2005 2:00:55 PM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: patco13
Corrupt as they have become in modern times, unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay.

Unions are government-subsidized extortion rackets and must die ASAP.

Free people negotiate for their pay, time off, vacations and the rest. Employers have no special leverage to force people to work for them, unless Big Stupid Government and Big Union thugs intervene.

Screw unions. Greasy, corrupt, lazy aholes.

18 posted on 03/11/2005 2:02:20 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: RobRoy

No successor clause in the contracts? This may not be a done deal as yet.


19 posted on 03/11/2005 2:34:46 PM PST by em2vn
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To: Hank Rearden

"...Big Union thugs..." How are they different from Big Business thugs?


20 posted on 03/11/2005 2:36:49 PM PST by em2vn
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To: RobRoy

The DC-9 is a Douglas aircraft company plane. Boeing did use the 717 moniker for one of it's planes...I can't remember which.


21 posted on 03/11/2005 2:44:38 PM PST by brooklin
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To: em2vn
"...Big Union thugs..." How are they different from Big Business thugs?

Businessmen take risks, work their ass off and make enormous sacrifices to create an enterprise. Not to mention putting up with endless government-moron bullshit and paperwork.

Union thug parasites then come along to attempt to extort and sponge off the enterprise created by the Businessman's work and risk-taking.

Greasy, lazy, corrupt, violent, worthless union thugs. They can kiss my ass.

22 posted on 03/11/2005 3:10:06 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden

You said a lot without saying a thing. My career working for a unionized company didn't reflect any of the things you mention.
I am sure it was union members who dreamed up the WorldCom fiasco. Let's not forget to mention Tyco or Enron either.
Have you ever met a union thug? I didn't in thirty years in a union. I did meet a lot of hard working, intelligent people who were concerned about the financial health of the employer. I also met a lot of men who would jerk the slack out of you a&^ if you weren't getting the job done.
Peer pressure did a fine job of keeping people on task even in the rain, snow, ice, mud or blistering sun of a storm break any time of the year.
When you happen to pull you head out you can kiss you own back side.


23 posted on 03/11/2005 3:27:02 PM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Well then, let me summarize my experiences with union people:

"You can't do that, that's not your job."
"I can't do that, it's not my job."
"I'm on break, don't talk to me."
"We're filing a grievance."
(I'd go for grievances just for sport.)
"We need more money, or we walk."

Screw 'em. I've refused to even accept bids from or even talk to union shops for over 15 years, and life has improved as a result.

Lazy extortionists.

24 posted on 03/11/2005 3:43:21 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden
Greasy, lazy, corrupt, violent, worthless union thugs. They can kiss my ass.


Wow. Something I finally agree with you about.

Unions killed my hometown. Neither unions nor their sympathizers will get any respect from me.


25 posted on 03/11/2005 3:46:10 PM PST by rdb3 (I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice.)
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To: Hank Rearden

Right up front. I don't believe a word you posted. I keep seeing the same phrased posted, almost like urban legends. It's has to be true if it is repeated enough.


26 posted on 03/11/2005 3:58:30 PM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Sure, it's all fabricated. Never happened. Totally made up.

That must explain the heights of popularity being achieved by unions these days. Helps to explain why they lose vote after vote. Nobody ever has bad experiences, such as mine, with unions.

And if we say it did, unions will make sure we sleep with da fishes, right? Or is that just an urban legend?

27 posted on 03/11/2005 4:01:44 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: em2vn
"Have you ever met a union thug?"

Yea, in 1976, when I was 25 years old, driving a GMC Asto 95, with a GM V8 and 36' Freuhauf trailer.

I crossed a picket line to have my rig weighed.

As I was unlocking the 5th wheel and cranking down the trailer's landing gear, a union thug walked up to me, unannounced, punched me in the nose, breaking my nose.

In court, after I had him charged with assault, he grew a beard and let his hair grow longer over the 6 months before their was trial.

The defense lawyer tried to have the case dismiss because I did not identify the person correctly. Fortunately the judge saw through that charade.

What I learned from this experience was if you need violence to get your point across, your point ain't worth a shit.

28 posted on 03/11/2005 4:06:04 PM PST by tahiti
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To: nicollo
"Actually, Federal and State governments brought all those things. "

Thank you for setting the record straight.

In addition, all of the laws mandating payment for overtime, minimum wage, etc., violated the U.S. Constitution:

Amendment V

"nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."

29 posted on 03/11/2005 4:07:50 PM PST by tahiti
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To: brewcrew
I'm not sure I get your point. "They've really become corrupt, and exist only to line their own pockets, but we owe them a debt of gratitude which can never be paid off?"

No. We owe a debt of gratitude to globalist, multi-national corporations and executives like Ken Lay and Bernie Ebbers. They're always looking out for the little guy. They're our friends.

/sarcastic rant

30 posted on 03/11/2005 4:09:11 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: patco13

Unions have also made the U.S. auto industry totally uncompetitive with Japanese and Korean auto companies, destroying thousands of factory and office jobs in the process.


31 posted on 03/11/2005 4:10:10 PM PST by carl in alaska (The mission for today is golf. The mission code word is "Julius Boros".....)
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To: raybbr

Unions =Can't fire incompetant people no matter how bad they are.


32 posted on 03/11/2005 4:10:15 PM PST by John Lenin (It's the things below the surface you can't erase)
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To: patco13; RobRoy
Corrupt as they have become in modern times, unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay.

It was higher productivity that allowed those things. Countries with low GNP per capita tend not to have them.

33 posted on 03/11/2005 4:13:07 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: patco13
Corrupt as they have become in modern times, unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay.

And more recently they have brought us the outsourcing of much of our manufacturing capability - from steel to electronics, and everything in between.

And they have saddled us with government enforced Davis-Bacon "prevailing wages", which make all of our government projects cost about 30% more than they should.

Take your unions and shove them.

34 posted on 03/11/2005 4:14:17 PM PST by jackbill
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To: RobRoy

and non alcholic


35 posted on 03/11/2005 4:14:44 PM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: ladtx

China or India.... ??


36 posted on 03/11/2005 4:14:50 PM PST by traumer
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To: brooklin

The 717 is being built in Long Beach - it was the last derivative from the DC-9 line (it actually was called the MD-95 until Boeing took over the line). It was recently canceled and they are finishing up the remaining orders as we speak. This was one little hotrod of an airplane.


37 posted on 03/11/2005 4:26:41 PM PST by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: em2vn
"...Big Union thugs..." How are they different from Big Business thugs?

The union thug demands cash from the business thug so he may out-source the union jobs while at the same time giving his paying members better working conditions elsewhere. The union must be compensated for the loss of the dues.
Got It? :P
38 posted on 03/11/2005 4:39:08 PM PST by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: em2vn; raybbr

Ah, the Social(ist) wing of the conservative movement speaks.


39 posted on 03/11/2005 4:42:30 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Euro-American Scum
Once again, the Social(ist) wing of Conservatism rears its ugly head.

I'll see your Pat Buchanan and Sam Francis and raise you an Ayn Rand...

40 posted on 03/11/2005 4:45:39 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: patco13
"Corrupt as they have become in modern times, unions brought you weekends off, Vacation Pay, sick pay, overtime and retirement pay"

Tell me how good unions are. The Pittsburgh Steelers home has no steel mills remaining. (OK, there's a small one remaining in Hazelwood a few miles out of town).

Homestead, Aliquippa, East Pittsburgh, Braddock, etc. are all gone. Thank you greedy unions.

41 posted on 03/11/2005 4:46:54 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: jettester; brooklin; COEXERJ145
The 717 is being built in Long Beach - it was the last derivative from the DC-9 line (it actually was called the MD-95 until Boeing took over the line). It was recently canceled and they are finishing up the remaining orders as we speak. This was one little hotrod of an airplane.

Considering how many DC-9s and MD-80s were built and are still still being used, why couldn't Boeing get any interest in getting more orders for the 717?

42 posted on 03/11/2005 4:50:01 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: jettester

Thanks.


43 posted on 03/11/2005 4:53:52 PM PST by brooklin
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To: em2vn
Union Thug Union Thug
44 posted on 03/11/2005 4:55:24 PM PST by free_european
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To: ladtx

Thank you John McCain.


45 posted on 03/11/2005 5:02:41 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: John Lenin
Unions =Can't fire incompetant people no matter how bad they are.

No kidding...just check your local public school.

46 posted on 03/11/2005 5:06:03 PM PST by who knows what evil? (If arrogance was beauty, New England women would be supermodels!)
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To: AGreatPer
I don't believe the unions are that strong anymore. The ones in my former venue of employment (I'm now retired) always seemed to make sweetheart deals with management behind the scenes, although they were good for filing grievances for legitimate workplace problems and management harassment of the workforce.

IMO, Management sucks. They're criminals, they all band together to save their own jobs and the jobs of their friends, lovers, and relatives. They knew how to play various union reps off one against the other. The government agencies and the legal system support management in EEO cases instead of trying to stop discrimination (age discrimination and sex discrimination suits are tough to win. Racial discrimination suits are easier to win.)

(Donning my flame-retardant suit now.)

47 posted on 03/11/2005 5:06:52 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: em2vn
Right up front. I don't believe a word you posted. I keep seeing the same phrased posted, almost like urban legends. It's has to be true if it is repeated enough.

As an engineer whose first job out of school was in a unionized defense plant, I've seen it.

48 posted on 03/11/2005 5:09:44 PM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: Hank Rearden; em2vn
Greasy, lazy, corrupt, violent, worthless union thugs. They can kiss my ass.

Does that include the approximately 50% of teachers, firemen, policemen, and all the other government workers?

49 posted on 03/11/2005 5:10:10 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Clemenza; em2vn
Ah, the Social(ist) wing of the conservative movement speaks.

Wow! I didn't know that all the firemen, policemen and other govt. workers in New York were socialists.

50 posted on 03/11/2005 5:12:34 PM PST by raybbr
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