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Habitat Home Condemned
The Scranton Times ^ | 3/8/2005 | Brian Clark

Posted on 03/12/2005 3:45:22 PM PST by Mold Victims

A former Habitat for Humanity family that came under scrutiny two years ago when the city condemned their home has been forced out again.

City inspectors condemned the home of Charles and Barbara Smith, 2517 N. Main Ave., on Friday because the double-block home didn't have heat.

Mr. and Mrs. Smith and most of their 18 children moved into the home in 2000 after Habitat for Humanity of Lackawanna County helped renovate the building.

The family lost that home in July 2003 when it was condemned.

Habitat and the family worked on the house, and the Smiths returned six months later. Mr. Smith promised at the time that it wouldn't happen again.

(Excerpt) Read more at zwire.com ...


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1 posted on 03/12/2005 3:45:22 PM PST by Mold Victims
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To: Mold Victims

Habitat for Humanity got played for chumps. The guy has no desire to actually contribute to society.


2 posted on 03/12/2005 3:48:39 PM PST by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: Mold Victims

wow, 18 children


3 posted on 03/12/2005 3:48:39 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Mold Victims
Has Jimmeh heard about this?

He should. Then he could get out his hammer and pose looking like he gives a crap. As best I can tell he poses three times a year with ole Roselyn for Habitat for Humanity. The rest of the year, he doesn't want to be bothered. You see, he's too good for really rolling up his sleeves.
4 posted on 03/12/2005 3:49:28 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

"wow, 18 children"

Well, we can guess what he likes to do. Meanwhile the rest of us have what we can afford.


5 posted on 03/12/2005 3:50:22 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Aw come on,he's eighty years old!


6 posted on 03/12/2005 3:51:26 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible".)
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To: Mold Victims

7 posted on 03/12/2005 3:52:00 PM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mold Victims

What the hell business is it of the governmen'at if they want to have heat in their house or not?


8 posted on 03/12/2005 3:52:20 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Mears

"Aw come on,he's eighty years old!"

Well ... you explain how he had so many. Maybe Viagra was just the drug he needed to get going again. I don't know ... .


9 posted on 03/12/2005 3:52:42 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Mold Victims

18?????



damn, is that the rabbit family?


10 posted on 03/12/2005 3:52:45 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Still Thinking

Erps, governmen'at = government's


11 posted on 03/12/2005 3:53:18 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Mold Victims
Habitat Home Condemned

Free Frodo!

Oops. Sorry, mis-read it as Hobit Home condemned.

12 posted on 03/12/2005 3:54:33 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Res severa est verum gaudium)
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To: Mears

Oh, you must be talking about Jimmeh, not this clown with the 18 kids.

Hey, my Dad is in his 80's and he gives a young teenage competition. He's still managing his own rental properties. Jimmeh, had a fairly charmed life. Surely he can hold a hammer in his hand more than three times a year ONLY for photo ops.


13 posted on 03/12/2005 3:54:34 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Mold Victims

This story is sadly lacking in information. First, the house is no longer a Habitat house because the family has already met their obligation to the organization. Second, what is the law that says a house must have a working furnace? Is there such a thing? Better a family outside on the street than inside a building with no heat?


14 posted on 03/12/2005 3:56:02 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Still Thinking

I agree...Assuming there's no abuse or neglect, why on earth would they care?


15 posted on 03/12/2005 3:56:03 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (I considered getting highlights; but my smugness is easier to maintain.)
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To: Mold Victims

Jimma! Jimma Carter!
White Courtesy Telephone Please!


16 posted on 03/12/2005 3:56:15 PM PST by Wheens
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To: Mold Victims

Who cares how many children they have? Some people are just trash.


17 posted on 03/12/2005 3:56:25 PM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Mold Victims
Related threads from the FR Archives about this Habitat family:

8/15/03 - Family of 20 determined to keep condemned home

12/17/03 - Habitat for Humanity gives evicted family another shot

18 posted on 03/12/2005 3:56:45 PM PST by willieroe
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To: Mold Victims

I moved to Largo, Florida in 1969. A low-income housing project was being built about a mile away on a mail drag, about 1 mile from the Gulf Beaches.

The project was nearing completion and the contractor put in sod for the common grounds. It opened on a Saturday, and when I went to work on Monday, I noticed that the clothes line polls were gone. When I came home that night, all of the sod was gone. many of the doors had been removed, and outside fixtures were mostly gone.

It later was reported that most of the electrical fixtures and wiring had been stripped, and all appliances were gone or out front for sale. Plumbing was ripped out and, for all practical purposes, the places were unlivable.

TWO FRIGGIN DAYS! Our taxes at work.


19 posted on 03/12/2005 3:57:57 PM PST by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Still Thinking

With 18 people in one little house, would they even NEED heat?


20 posted on 03/12/2005 3:59:15 PM PST by bikepacker67 (#)
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To: lawdude

Please make that MAIN DRAG.

Darn spiel chakers.


21 posted on 03/12/2005 3:59:59 PM PST by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Mold Victims
18 Kids?? second time around for this ! That is the last person that should be breeding passing on those worthless genes.
22 posted on 03/12/2005 4:00:25 PM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal Mart)
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To: LongElegantLegs
Scranton police first noticed the home didn't have heat while investigating another matter Friday and called city inspectors, police Capt. Carl Graziano said.

Aside from the heating problem, the fire detectors need batteries, doors need to be replaced, holes in the wall need to be patched and padlocks need to be removed from some doors, Mr. Fiorini said.

Obviously there's more going on, since the police were there. The inoperable fire detectors and padlocked (interior?) doors are fire code violations. And maybe they're using an unsafe source of heat.

I wonder if the number of people in the house puts them under fire department regulations for public accommodations?

23 posted on 03/12/2005 4:01:55 PM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Mold Victims

I'm going to say it right now - why the h*ll is the city condemning this house when there are so many other things they could be doing?

Code enforcement needs to go down the block and shut down a few crack houses first before I believe they really "care" about this family. I'm more inclined to think that they care about the double-block lot the house is situated upon...


24 posted on 03/12/2005 4:01:58 PM PST by dandelion
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25 posted on 03/12/2005 4:05:51 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: bikepacker67

LOL


26 posted on 03/12/2005 4:06:21 PM PST by exdem2000
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To: Grannyx4; TapTap

Darn it, if only I had known that we could get an almost free house just for being poor!! :')


27 posted on 03/12/2005 4:09:27 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (I considered getting highlights; but my smugness is easier to maintain.)
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To: Mold Victims
Mr. and Mrs. Smith and most of their 18 children ....

Was this a typo? (please say yes)

28 posted on 03/12/2005 4:10:04 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

With 18 children in one house, you have heat.


29 posted on 03/12/2005 4:10:14 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: bikepacker67; LongElegantLegs

Besides, Dad and Mom are probably glowing and giving off heat!


30 posted on 03/12/2005 4:12:20 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Tax-chick
Well, if I understand correctly, the house is situated on two blocks; I doubt HFH would have built it, if they weren't going to pass the fire code. Of course, the house sounds like it wasn't being taken care of, but I used to think it would be a hoot to go live on a plot of land in a little mud hut, with no heat/electricity/running water. I have since come to my senses, but it's not the government's place to tell me I couldn't.
31 posted on 03/12/2005 4:12:34 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (I considered getting highlights; but my smugness is easier to maintain.)
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To: lawdude

Yeah, I paused for a couple seconds trying to figure out what a "mail drag" was.


32 posted on 03/12/2005 4:14:36 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

How many BTUs do You get from all those bodies?
Sorry, it just seems to Me that someone caused a whole Hell of a lot of Their own problems.
I would have loved to keep on making babies, mine was pretty, and smart, and deserved the best I had to offer, which She got. Thing is that I asked Myself how the Hell was I gonna do as good a job, for each and every addition, I could not answer that, so, I just did not make any more.
Being a Father has nothing to do with how many You make, but has everything to do with how You care for the ones You do! It is easy to make a baby, but if You stop there, Oh well, I'd best stop here, lest I become politically incorrect!


33 posted on 03/12/2005 4:17:15 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER ( suspect)
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To: LongElegantLegs

As I recall from the earlier articles, HFH renovated an existing house; they didn't build it new. The family trashed it, and they appear to have done so again.

I don't think the government has any business telling people to have a heater, either ... but on the other hand, if they're lighting fires in trash cans for heat, and the old firetrap burns down, kills 20 people, and sets the neighbors houses on fire, who's gonna be sued? The city.


34 posted on 03/12/2005 4:17:19 PM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

A family in my church has 13 kids. But, the dad is a lawyer. They get by.

And they are rabid conservatives all.


35 posted on 03/12/2005 4:17:45 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Picture of the house, from the article.

36 posted on 03/12/2005 4:19:12 PM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: petitfour
First, the house is no longer a Habitat house because the family has already met their obligation to the organization.

When did they pay off their mortgage? They moved in in March of 2000, and around here, Habitat has a 20 year interest free mortgage, so it is unlikely that they would have refinanced. One of the earlier stories put the payments at $115 a month, so total payments so far would have been $6900.00. Was that the total obligation for the purchase and both rounds of renovation? (Around here, Habitat only does new construction, so I would like some education on how the re-hab deals work. Here, the city will clear the slum property, and Habitat will start with a bare lot. The re-hab route looks like it might be a lot cheaper.)

37 posted on 03/12/2005 4:19:16 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Tax-chick
who's gonna be sued? The city.

Too true.

38 posted on 03/12/2005 4:19:56 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (I considered getting highlights; but my smugness is easier to maintain.)
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To: Still Thinking

That was my reaction. If they can survive like that the government should leave them alone. That house likely costs hundreds of dollars a month to heat.

Wholes in the walls? Please that's just silly.

The smoke alarm batteries can be fixed in minutes, and should be since firemen would have to rescue the 18 children.

The padlocks can be removed in seconds, and should be due to fire hazard. Why were they there anyway?

This story reeks of governmental abuse.


39 posted on 03/12/2005 4:20:27 PM PST by Americalover
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To: kingattax

Uh...Mr. President, you might find it a little easier to drive those nails in with the uh, other end of that hammer, sir. Yes sir...the metal part...right...makes a difference, doesn't it? Uh huh...what? Oh, right, that is pretty neat...the other end of the head has a claw-like device that you can pull nails out with...No, sir, I think somebody has already patented the phrase 'Claw Hammer'...but it shows that you're really on top of things.


40 posted on 03/12/2005 4:22:43 PM PST by hleewilder
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To: LongElegantLegs
Darn it, if only I had known that we could get an almost free house just for being poor!! :')

You silly woman! :-) Don't tell me you've been working all these years to have something of your own. Jimmeh Catah will come out and construct you a new residence his ownself. Sometimes you just got to play the system to get all the free stuff. They should make a handbook, like that illegal alien handbook they just came out with.

41 posted on 03/12/2005 4:22:49 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: PAR35

It says in the article that the house is no longer a Habitat house.


42 posted on 03/12/2005 4:23:13 PM PST by petitfour
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To: hleewilder

LOL


43 posted on 03/12/2005 4:23:37 PM PST by kingattax ( "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mold Victims

Its Bush's fault; No wait, Jimmy Carter.


44 posted on 03/12/2005 4:25:59 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: dandelion

They probably ARE shutting down a crack house.


45 posted on 03/12/2005 4:28:18 PM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: Slump Tester

IF so, fine by me. But how many times do city code enforcers actually hit places where they need to? In Dallas, we've had real problems with this; they'll fine some old couple for having a carport that's been there for fifty years, while ignoring the abandoned drug den next door...


46 posted on 03/12/2005 4:31:00 PM PST by dandelion
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To: petitfour
It says in the article that the house is no longer a Habitat house.

So it does - but only if you click on the link. Thanks.

"The family completed their obligations to the organization with their final payment last summer, said Robert "Ozzie" Quinn, then-executive director of the local chapter."

47 posted on 03/12/2005 4:53:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Born Conservative
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48 posted on 03/12/2005 4:57:20 PM PST by b4its2late (Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
300 btu/phr sitting sedentary
600 btu/phr moving about, walking, chores etc.
900 btu/phr active. dancing, exercising and in this case apparently, Sex.

These are the standard no.s we used for heat gains while calculating air conditioning needs, when I was a draftsman. Might be some changes , but I think they are still fairly accurate guidelines.
49 posted on 03/12/2005 5:13:27 PM PST by rock58seg (The real enemy of good is perfect.)
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To: b4its2late; Mold Victims
The infamous Rabbit Family?
50 posted on 03/12/2005 6:16:21 PM PST by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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