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The Best Victor Davis Hanson Quotes Of 2004
Rightwingnews ^ | John Hawkins

Posted on 03/13/2005 1:33:47 AM PST by Marguerite

"There may well be even more terrible things to come in Iraq than what we have seen already, but there will also be far better things than were there before. And there will come a time, when all those who slandered the efforts — the Germans, the French, the American radical Left, the vicious Michael "Minutemen" Moore, the pampered and coddled Hollywood elite, the Arab League, and the U.N. will assume that Iraq is a "good thing" like Afghanistan, and that democracy there really was preferable — after they had so bravely weighed in with their requisite "ifs" and "buts" — to the mass murders of Saddam Hussein. Yes, they will say all this, but it will be for the rest of us to remember how it all came about and what those forgotten soldiers and people of Iraq went through to get it — lest we forget, lest we forget...."

"Finally, on this Thanksgiving let us remember that, for all their snarls and snipes, the now-freed peoples of France, Germany, Japan, Eastern Europe, Korea, the Balkans, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, and Iraq owe a great deal to thousands of dead Americans, too often forgotten, who in awful places like the Hürtgen Forest, Tarawa, Monte Casino, Chosun, Hue, Panama City, Mazar-e-Sharif — and Fallujah — battled and defeated Nazis, militarists, Fascists, Communists, and Dark-Age Islamists so that millions of others might have the freedom that the rest of us lesser folk too often take for granted as our birthright."

"Who would have believed 60 years ago that the great critics of democracy in the Middle East would now be American novelists and European utopians, while Indians, Poles, and Japanese were supporting those who just wanted the chance to vote? Who would have thought that a young Marine from the suburbs of Topeka battling the Dark Ages in Fallujah — the real humanist — was doing more to aid the planet than all the billions of the U.N.?"

"For all the European hysteria over the reelection of George Bush, I would wager that privately, leaders there are sighing with relief that a resolute U.S. is fighting the Islamists, taking the heat, and supplying them with both emotional and material cover at no cost. How can you buy off the Iranians to drop their bomb plans without fear by the mullahs that a cowboy George Bush is the dreaded alternative?"

"At its richest, most populous stage in its history, the United States, after reeling from a devastating blow to its financial and military nerve centers, in less than three years toppled the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, implemented elections in Afghanistan and scheduled them in Iraq, prevented another 9/11-like attack — and so far has tragically lost about 1,100 in combat in a war against a virulent fascism that is antithetical to every aspect of Western liberty. Our grandfathers would have considered all this a miraculous military achievement. We call it a quagmire, deride our leaders as liars and traitors, and often doubted that our Marines — the greatest street-fighting besiegers in the history of warfare, who stormed Manila, Seoul, Hue, and Panama City — could take Fallujah last April."

"Beheadings, suicide bombings, mass executions, and improvised explosive devices are not intended to destroy or even defeat the U.S. military. Rather, they are aimed at the taxpaying citizens back home who fuel it."

"The improvised explosive device is a metaphor for our time. The killers cannot even make the artillery shells or the timers that detonate the bombs, but like parasites they use Western or Western-designed weaponry to harvest Westerners. They cannot blow up enough Abrams tanks or even Humvees to alter the battlefield landscape. But what they can accomplish is to maim or kill a few hundred Westerners in hopes that our own media will magnify the trauma and savagery of their attack — and do so often enough to make 300 million of us become exhausted with the entire "mess." The message of Arabic television is that the Iraqis are supposed to blame us, not their brethren who are killing them, for the carnage. Not our power, but our will, is the target."

"Our parents were terrified that, should America resort to military force abroad, they would be nuked; we are even more scared that our lethality will earn us the parlor disdain of the French and Germans. The terrorists are assured that the Western press is obsessed with Abu Ghraib, but not at all with Saddam's necropolis or their own slaughter of innocents. They suspect that those who endured Omaha and Utah or scaled Suribachi are long sleeping in their graves, and that a few thousand creeps in Fallujah scare us more than a quarter million in the Bulge did our parents."

"...There is no secret way to pacify Iraq other than to kill the killers, humiliate their cause through defeat, and give the credit of the victory, along with material aid and the promise of autonomous freedom, to moderate Iraqis. Victory on the battlefield — not the mysterious diplomacy of "wise men," or German and French sanction, or Arab League support — alone will allow Iraq an opportunity for humane government."

"Everyone Michael Moore has ever endorsed has lost, and he should have been avoided like the kiss of political death he is. His supporters find him useful but only mildly amusing, while his detractors are vehement in their dislike and impart guilt by association to any who come within his toxic orbit. That his lecture fees, lifestyle, and gratuitous slurs are at odds with the old Democratic image of a Happy Warrior only accents the mistake of welcoming him into the fold."

"We can no more reason with the Islamic fascists than we could sympathize with the Nazis' demands over supposedly exploited Germans in Czechoslovakia or the problem of Tojo's Japan's not getting its timely scrap-metal shipments from Roosevelt's America. Their pouts and gripes are not intended to be adjudicated as much as to weaken the resolve of many in the United States who find the entire "war against terror" too big, or the wrong kind, of a nuisance."

"Yet leaving unilaterally from Iraq would be a tragic mistake. We have already done something like that before — many times. What rippled out afterwards was not pretty. American helicopters flying off the embassy roof in Saigon in 1975 gave us the climate for the Soviets in Afghanistan, Communists in Central America, and embassy hostage-taking in Tehran. Ignoring murders in Lebanon, New York, East Africa, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen, or lobbing an occasional cruise missile as tit-for-tat payback when terrorists harvested one too many expendable Americans abroad, ensured us September 11. In our loony world, losing credible deterrence (and we would) is an invitation for disaster — as bin Laden himself illustrated when he logically thought that the toppling of the World Trade Center would be followed by another Black Hawk Down American pullback."

"If we used to argue in the 1940s about whether millions of dollars in U.S. grain aid really did any good in feeding the starving of China and India, we can all agree now that American liberality in letting consumer goods in and jobs out has done more for the world's hungry millions than a century of American gift-giving."

"Hitler, like bin Laden and his epigones, was the problem, not us. The only difference is that our grandparents knew that and we don't."

"There is no legitimate complaint of the Arab world against the United States — any more than Hitler had a right to Czechoslovakia or the Japanese to Manchuria. Just because the Japanese whined that the cutting-off of U.S. petroleum forced them to bomb Pearl Harbor didn't make it true."

About this time 60 years ago, six weeks after the Normandy beach landings, Americans were dying in droves in France. We think of the 76-day Normandy campaign of summer and autumn 1944 as an astounding American success — and indeed it was, as Anglo-American forces cleared much of France of its Nazi occupiers in less than three months. But the outcome was not at all preordained, and more often was the stuff of great tragedy. Blunders were daily occurrences — resulting in 2,500 Allied casualties a day. In any average three-day period, more were killed, wounded, or missing than there have been in over a year in Iraq."

"The Arab League hates us not because we are going to lose or install strongmen if we prevail, but because they are terrified we will win and sponsor consensual governments of the type that would put such ossified functionaries with blood on their hands out to pasture."

"It was moving to commemorate the Normandy invasion on its 60th anniversary, but politely left unsaid amid the French-hosted celebrations was the real story of 1944 and 1945. We owe it to the dead, not just the living, to remember it with some integrity and honesty. Most of the Nazis' own European subjects did little to stop their mass murdering. There was no popular civilian uprising inside Germany or out. Most Germans were hostile to the onslaught of American armies in their country, preferring Hitler and the Nazis even by 1945 to so-called American liberators. When they did slur the Fuhrer it was because he brought them ruin, not the blood of millions on their hands. When they did stop fighting the Americans, it was because the thought of surrendering to the Russians was far worse. Most Frenchmen either refused to resolutely fight the Germans or passively collaborated. The idea of a broad resistance was mostly a postwar Gallic nationalist myth. Those who spearheaded a few attacks on German occupiers were more likely led by Communists than by allied sympathizers, and thus fought in hope more of an eventual Soviet victory over the Nazis than an American one."

"The only thing worse than the amoral use of force is the failure to act when it is the only right and moral thing to do. In short, I think our sole serious mistake in this war is that we have forgotten the lessons of history, the essence of human nature, and what constitutes real morality. Small armies, whether those of Caesar, Alexander, or Hernan Cortés can defeat enormous enemies and hold vast amounts of territory — but only if they are used audaciously and establish the immediate reputation that they are lethal and dangerous to confront. Deterrence, not numbers, creates tranquility and the two are not always synonymous."

"What are the values for which hundreds of Americans have now fallen in Afghanistan and Iraq? They are not new or hard to fathom, nor are they the easily caricatured images of American popular culture. Rather they are the same principles for which Americans died at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Iwo Jima, and Pusan: the guarantee of free association and expression, the tolerance of different ideas, a respect for the rule of law, and the right to enjoy equality under the aegis of consensual government. So this is what we believe in and this is what we have made it our mission to preserve."

One does not have to go back to ancient Athens — in 507 or 403 B.C. — to grasp the depressing fact that most authoritarians do not surrender power voluntarily. There would be no democracy today in Japan, South Korea, Italy, or Germany without the Americans' defeat of fascists and Communists. Democracies in France and most of Western Europe were born from Anglo-American liberation; European resistance to German occupation was an utter failure. Panama, Granada, Serbia, and Afghanistan would have had no chance of a future without the intervention of American troops. All of Eastern Europe is free today only because of American deterrence and decades of military opposition to Communism. Very rarely in the modern age do democratic reforms emerge spontaneously and indigenously (ask the North Koreans, Cubans, or North Vietnamese). Tragically, positive change almost always appears after a war in which authoritarians lose or are discredited (Argentina or Greece), bow to economic or cultural coercion (South Africa), or are forced to hold elections (Nicaragua)."

"The Palestinians will, in fact, get their de facto state, though one that may be now cut off entirely from Israeli commerce and cultural intercourse. This is an apparently terrifying thought: Palestinian men can no longer blow up Jews on Monday, seek dialysis from them on Tuesday, get an Israeli paycheck on Wednesday, demonstrate to CNN cameras about the injustice of it all on Thursday — and then go back to tunneling under Gaza and three-hour, all-male, conspiracy-mongering sessions in coffee-houses on Friday. Beware of getting what you bomb for."

"Appeasement of (Islamic) fundamentalists is not appreciated as magnanimity, but ridiculed as weakness — and, in fact, encourages further killing."

"If there is any similarity between Vietnam and the current war, it is not 1963, when his late brother convinced us to commit troops to stop Communist aggression. A better year for comparison is 1974, when Kennedy and other senators began to cut off funding for air support promised to enforce the Paris peace accords, resulting in the collapse of South Vietnam, mass murder in Southeast Asia, and over a million boat people, with more still sent to the Communist reeducation camps."

"If (Europe) spends about a fourth as much on defense as the United States, such relative budgetary comparisons are still a misleading barometer of European military weakness. The United States Marine Corps is larger than any single continental European army. One of America's twelve carrier groups is far more potent than all of Europe's naval forces combined. When we examine comparative research and development, field experience, recent combat history, army organization, and public attitude, the military gap only widens."

"The fact is, beneath the hype, Iraqis will soon appreciate American help and idealism far more than French perfidy. It is never wrong to be on the side of freedom — never."

"Sorry, a few thousand troops in Afghanistan doesn't cut it from a continent with a larger population than that of the United States, which in turn does the dirty work to ensure Europe's security. Unilateral, multilateral, U.N., no U.N., Balkans, Iraq — it doesn't matter: The Europeans are never going to risk lives and treasure for much of anything. The predictable NATO rule: The stationing of troops is to be determined in direct proportion to the absence of both need and danger."

"The United States is waking up from a serious malady. Once upon a time state-supported terrorism was seen as a criminal problem, not war, requiring yellow police tape, not GPS bombs. Afghanistan was turned into an anti-American terrorist base. Saddam Hussein required never-ending patrols to "box" him in. Osama bin Laden was too "hot" to be apprehended when offered up by potential captors. Pakistan and North Korea went nuclear — the greatest failure of many of the Clinton administration. Iran and Libya bought arsenals with impunity. Yasser Arafat systematically destroyed twenty years of economic progress on the West Bank and violated every accord he signed. Anti-Americanism grew in Europe without rejoinder or consequences. Saudi Arabia expected protection while our own female soldiers on patrol there hid their faces and arms — and promised not to drive. Terrorist funds flowed freely throughout the globe, as anti-Semitism and Islamicist-inspired hatred of Israel became the new pillar of trendy left-wing thought. All that has at least been recognized, checked, and is well on the way to being stopped."

"Despite the current vogue of questionable and therapeutic ideas like "zero tolerance" and "moral equivalence" that punish all who use force — whether in kindergarten or in the Middle East — striking first is a morally neutral concept. It takes on its ethical character from the landscape in which it takes place — the Israelis bombing the Iraqi reactor to avoid being blackmailed by a soon-to-be nuclear Saddam Hussein, or the French going into the Ivory Coast last year, despite the fact that that chaotic country posed no immediate danger to Paris. The thing to keep in mind is that the real aggressor, by his past acts, has already invited war and will do so again — should he be allowed to choose his own time and place of assault."

"We were fooled by Japan in 1941 and had no idea that its enormous fleet was a few hundred miles off Hawaii. The Soviet absorption of Eastern Europe caught utopians off guard in 1945-6. Everyone underestimated Mao's resilience ("Who lost China?"). MacArthur's "infiltrators" across the Yalu River turned out to be several Chinese armies. We know only now that the Soviets cheated on several major arms agreements — and had WMD arsenals far beyond what was disclosed. Its nuclear accidents and WMD catastrophes are still clouded in mysteries. Remember the Missile Gap of the 1960 election that helped to elect John Kennedy? Yet Cuba, we now learn, had more ready nukes than even Curtis LeMay imagined. The British surely had no warning about the Falklands invasion. An American ambassador gave the wrong message to Saddam Hussein in summer 1990, precisely because the CIA had no clue that Saddam Hussein was gearing up to invade Kuwait. Libya and Iran were further along with their nuclear programs than the CIA dared to imagine. Ditto North Korea. Who knew that Pakistan has been running a nuclear clearinghouse? The point is not to excuse faulty intelligence, but rather to understand that knowing exactly what the enemy is up to is difficult and yet almost never acknowledged to be so."

"Apart from the model of our forefathers who crushed and then lifted up the Germans and Japanese, we could find no better guide in this war than William Tecumseh Sherman and Abraham Lincoln — in that order. The former would remind us that our enemies traffic in pride and thus first must be disabused of it through defeat and humiliation. The latter (who turned Sherman and Grant lose) would maintain that we are a forgiving sort, who prefer restored rather than beaten people as our friends."

"Thirty years ago, during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973, most of the Europeans of the NATO alliance refused over-flight rights to the United States. We had only hours in which to aid Israel from a multifaceted surprise attack and were desperately ferrying tons of supplies to save it from literal extinction. In contrast, many of these same allies allowed the Soviet Union — the supposed common enemy from which thousands of Americans were based in Europe to protect Europeans — to fly over NATO airspace to ensure the Syrians sufficient material to launch and sustain their surprise attack on the Golan. American "unilateralism" in those days meant acting alone not to let Israel perish. Had we gone "multilateral" and listened to our NATO allies — Germany, France, Greece, and Turkey all prohibited American planes from flying supplies in their space in transit to Tel-Aviv — there would be no Israel today at all."

"Instead, the elite Westerner talks about “occupied lands” from which Israel has been attacked four times in the last 60 years — in a manner that Germans do not talk about an occupied West they coughed up to France or an occupied East annexed by Poland. Russia lectures about Jenin, but rarely its grab of Japanese islands. Turkey is worried about the West Bank, but not its swallowing much of Cyprus. China weighs in about Palestinian sovereignty but not the entire culture of Tibet; some British aristocrats bemoan Sharon’s supposed land grab, but not Gibraltar. All these foreign territories that were acquired through blood and iron and held on to by reasons of “national security” are somehow different matters when Jews are not involved."

"There are plenty of third-world revolutionaries today, but very few who wave the hammer and sickle. Again, it is not that mankind ceased being naïve or duped, and woke up to the absurdities of Marxism and the mass murder that typically followed its implementation. Rather, very few wished to be associated with a losing ideology that offered no arms, patrons, or money — but a lot of misery, humiliation, and ridicule. This war against the Islamofascists and autocrats of the Middle East is no different."

"The Arab street knows full well that we give billions to Jordan, Egypt, and the Palestinians — and are probably baffled that we don't cut it out. They also know we have just as frequently fought Christians on their behalf as Muslims; they know — if their voting feet tell them anything — that no place is more tolerant of their religion or more open to immigration than the United States. Yes, (Radical) Islamists all know that opening a mosque in Detroit is one thing, and opening a church in Saudi Arabia is quite another. Hitler wasn't interested in Wilson's 14 Points or how nicely Germans lived in the U.S. — he cared only that we "cowboys" would not or could not stop what he was up to."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004review; geopolitics; quotes; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 03/13/2005 1:33:47 AM PST by Marguerite
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"For all the European hysteria over the reelection of George Bush, I would wager that privately, leaders there are sighing with relief that a resolute U.S. is fighting the Islamists, taking the heat, and supplying them with both emotional and material cover at no cost. How can you buy off the Iranians to drop their bomb plans without fear by the mullahs that a cowboy George Bush is the dreaded alternative?"
2 posted on 03/13/2005 1:35:05 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: Marguerite

Wow. Excuse my ignorance, but who is this guy?


3 posted on 03/13/2005 1:41:40 AM PST by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: Marguerite

Thank goodness for Dr. Hanson's clarity and backbone.


4 posted on 03/13/2005 1:48:10 AM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: Marguerite

Wow . . this guy is good. Thanks for the post.


5 posted on 03/13/2005 1:52:38 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: BerthaDee

David Hanson is one of the best political analysts ever.
He writes in the National Review.

You can find his latest column at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200503110746.asp


6 posted on 03/13/2005 1:58:17 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: ChadGore

"Wow . . this guy is good"

I wouldn't post his texts otherwise ;-))


7 posted on 03/13/2005 1:59:41 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: BerthaDee
VDH is the rarest of rare species -- an academic conservative. Mainly, he is military historian. Here is his web site.

I saw him on C-SPAN one night and became an instant fan. I need my Steyn and Coulter, but a dose of Buckley and VDH compliment them well.
8 posted on 03/13/2005 2:01:23 AM PST by self_evident
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To: BerthaDee
Excuse my ignorance, but who is this guy?

www.victorhanson.com.

9 posted on 03/13/2005 2:03:49 AM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Don't worry. My suit is triple-flameproof)
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To: BerthaDee
Victor Davis Hanson is a very interesting writer. He is also a fifth-generation Californian raisin farmer and a classical Greek historian, as well as an expert in military history. He was an adjunct professor at the Naval War College (don't know if he is still there).

I have seen him interviewed on Brit Hume's show. Both Bush and Cheney are fans of his writing. He has had several books published in the last few years.

10 posted on 03/13/2005 2:03:52 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: self_evident

He's one of my favorites too.


11 posted on 03/13/2005 2:04:57 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: Marguerite
I don't know how this one was left out, it is classic VDH.

FP: Fair enough. But Mr. Hanson, I disagree with you when you say that the Left does not prefer monsters. Chomsky and Moore are not dying to move to Haiti or Syria. . .well yes, the Left has always been hypocritical on this level. But this is not just about silliness or some kind of dishonesty on their part. Throughout the 20th century leftist Western intellectuals worshipped Stalin, Mao and other mass killers. They went in droves to visit the communist concentration camps and they praised these societies while the killing fields were in their highest gear.

It is not just a coincidence that leftists venerate every despot that opposes the United States. The Left’s embrace of militant Islam today is just a logical continuation of Western intellectuals who travelled to Soviet Russia in the 1930s and worshipped Stalin -- and of Jane Fonda praising the North Vietnamese despots.

What I am getting at here is that there is a malicious and sinister objective within the heart of the Left. It craves totalitarianism, because totalitarianism will suffocate freedom and, ultimately, human life itself – which the Left hates the most. That every communist revolution ate its own children reveals a pernicious death wish in the heart of the Left, and I think it is very much in prominence once again in the War on Terror, in which the left is now in love with those despots who, once again, offer them the dream of extinguishing their own civil society and the freedom within it.

You find this interpretation too extreme?

12 posted on 03/13/2005 2:06:03 AM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: Marguerite

Ooops, that is Jamie Glasov talking to Hanson.


13 posted on 03/13/2005 2:10:15 AM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: John Lenin

Hanson by Hanson:

"Every time the United States the last quarter century had acted boldly — its removal of Noriega and aid for the Contras, instantaneous support for a reunified Germany, extension of NATO, preference for Yeltsin instead of Gorbachev, Gulf War I, bombing of Milosevic, support for Sharon's fence, withdrawal from Gaza and decapitation of the Hamas killer elite, taking out the Taliban and Saddam-good things have ensued. In contrast, on every occasion that we have temporized — abject withdrawal from Lebanon, appeasement of Arafat at Oslo, a decade of inaction in the Balkans, paralysis in Rwanda, sloth in the face of terrorist attacks, not going to Baghdad in 1991 — corpses pile up and the United States became either less secure or less respected or both.

So it is also in this present war, in which our unheralded successes far outweigh our notorious mistakes. A number of books right now in galleys are going to look very, very silly, as they forecast American defeat, a failed Middle East, and the wages of not listening to their far smarter recommendations of using the U.N. more, listening to Europe, or bringing back the Clinton A-Team.

America's daring, not its support for the familiar — but ultimately unstable and corrupt — status quo, explains why less than three years after September 11, the Middle East is a world away from where it was on the first day of the war. And that is a very good thing indeed."

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200503110746.asp


14 posted on 03/13/2005 2:13:32 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: John Lenin

"You find this interpretation too extreme?"

No, in fact it is a model of precision.


15 posted on 03/13/2005 2:28:43 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Marguerite

Wow is right. Worrying over the "...parlor disdain..." of old Europe, et. al. John Kerry to a T. Thank you for these wonderful quotes. Everything is so obvious, it makes you angry that the left and the likes of Michael Moore get away with outright and stupid lies.


16 posted on 03/13/2005 2:37:38 AM PST by hershey
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To: jocon307

If the article wasn't written before Churchill got famous I would swear Jamie was talking about him.


17 posted on 03/13/2005 2:42:05 AM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: Marguerite
WOW, thanks for posting these fabulous quotations.

I, too, am a Victor Davis Hanson fan.

18 posted on 03/13/2005 2:45:38 AM PST by YepYep
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To: jocon307

It's like Chris Rock says. If you make $14 million a year and your wife wants half, it's no problem because you still have $7 million left, but if you make $30 thousand a year and your wife wants half it's time to kill the witch.


19 posted on 03/13/2005 2:56:37 AM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: Marguerite; txradioguy

Victor Davis Hanson is an American treasure!


20 posted on 03/13/2005 2:59:44 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: BerthaDee; All

"Wow. Excuse my ignorance, but who is this guy?"


From the end of his latest contribution to National Review:


— Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His website is victorhanson.com.


www.nationalreview.com


21 posted on 03/13/2005 3:04:08 AM PST by txradioguy (Freedom Of Speech Makes It Much Easier To Spot The Idiots)
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To: John Lenin

"if you make $30 thousand a year and your wife wants half it's time to kill the witch."

LOL!

My favorite Chris Rock routine is where he explains the differences in lying between men and women. He says that men tell MORE lies than women, but that women tell BIGGER lies than men. A man will call up his girlfriend from a strip club and say "I'm over at Tony's house" but a woman will say "Of course it's your baby"!



22 posted on 03/13/2005 3:05:46 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Marguerite

Bookmark bump.


23 posted on 03/13/2005 3:13:23 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (I do repairs and bebugging for beer.)
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To: Marguerite

Right on but he's going to get in trouble if he keeps telling the truth.


24 posted on 03/13/2005 3:21:38 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: John Lenin

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12632
You gave the Front page quote..here's the Hanson reply to that FP quote..The whole interview is great

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Hanson: But we are talking about apples and oranges-on the one hand, hard-core, thuggish revolutionaries abroad who want power and all that it brings under the cynical aegis of "equality" and "social justice;" and on the other, mostly pampered intellectuals here at home at the trough of American splendor and luxury, in the manner of court jesters, jetting around trashing their alma mater.

Again, while there were a few deluded who really did cut sugar cane in Cuba, committed treason of sorts in Hanoi, and went down to idolize Daniel Ortega, most on the radical Left are really indistinguishable from most Americans in their patterns of consumption, tastes, jobs, etc.

So we are not confronted with Stalinists, hard-core Marxists, or fifth-columnists as much as those afflicted with the "Western disease"-a sort of glib self-hatred of the very society that imparts such freedom and affluence.

Of course we don't want to downplay the pernicious effects of such a malady. These fakers are serious and in fact pose our greatest challenge in the current struggle by unleashing a constant stream of negativism that encourages our enemies and weakens our resolve. The hysteria over the looting, the missing WMD, and the President's aircraft carrier landing--all that and more have clouded a stellar military victory and a largely successful effort so far to foster consensual government under impossible circumstances--something that 50 years from now we will look back on with awe.

The transmogrification of Islamofascists into the "other" is one of the most stunning developments in American intellectual history-but inexplicable apart from this postmodern, trendy left-wing dogma. We overlooked 25 years of continued terrorist assaults from November 1979 in Teheran to the USS Cole, in part because multiculturalism and cultural relativism were so entrenched that we dared not condemn as evil and wrong those creepy people who believed in gender apartheid, fundamentalism, autocracy, anti-intellectualism, and anti-Semitism, but instead romanticized or at least ignored them.

Ditto Arafat's Tunisian Mafia-and all the assorted Middle East manipulators who grasped that an NPR, New York Times columnist, ABC evening news lead-in, or Kennedy School of Government symposium would always prefer to hector Israeli self-defense, rather than suicide bombing, or scream over an American missed bomb rather than Taliban lynching, or looters in museums rather than Saddam's garrish destruction of Babylon.

So I am talking about a secular religion of anti-Americanism brought on by our very success that allows such utopianism and cheap caring-and it does weaken and tire our efforts to win this war.

A final example: the President has raised domestic spending by 8% per annum, lavished funds on health care and education, offered near amnesty to illegal immigrants from Mexico, appointed a plethora of minority judges, cabinet officials, and administrators, and committed more AIDs relief funds than all prior administrations put together-and is still hated by our Left, simply because his demeanor, accent, religion, and even appearance don't validate the aristocratic Left's rhetoric about sex, class, gender, and the other. It really is a make-believe world in which a Barbra Streisand, Gore Vidal, or Arianna Huffington cheaply sound off from their estates about some purported cosmic evil fostered by poor deluded Americans hooked on K-Mart and NASCAR.

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25 posted on 03/13/2005 3:26:34 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Marguerite

Great collection...THANKS!!!!!


26 posted on 03/13/2005 5:35:27 AM PST by lainde
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To: John Lenin

You find my interpretation too extreme...........

I find your interpretation EXTREMELY accurate.

Liberals defend dictators because they are the enemy of all the authority figures in their lives ( Bush and friends, etc.). They have always seemed to want to go and wallow in the embraces of the Stalins of the world, while turning a blind eye to the suffering imposed by same.

Were I a pschycologist, I might be able to figue it out, but there does seem to be something of a sub-conscious death wish on the part of those who love brutal authority in other lands, yet hate any ( even benign ) form of it at home. They are so angry, that many of them acutally harbor wishes of an attack on us, to somehow avenge the president's policy on fighting terrorism.

They are without sympathy for the butchered over there, yet claim "oppression" here because they don't have free health care.

Great post John!!!


27 posted on 03/13/2005 6:20:08 AM PST by Grateful One
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To: Marguerite

VDH BUMP!!!


28 posted on 03/13/2005 6:21:18 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Grateful One

"actually', not "acutally". Sorry


29 posted on 03/13/2005 6:25:22 AM PST by Grateful One
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To: MEG33

Worth repeating:

"We overlooked 25 years of continued terrorist assaults from November 1979 in Teheran to the USS Cole, in part because multiculturalism and cultural relativism were so entrenched that we dared not condemn as evil and wrong those creepy people who believed in gender apartheid, fundamentalism, autocracy, anti-intellectualism, and anti-Semitism, but instead romanticized or at least ignored them."


30 posted on 03/13/2005 9:05:38 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: muir_redwoods

"he's going to get in trouble if he keeps telling the truth"

I don't think Hanson cares for that kind of trouble ;-)


31 posted on 03/13/2005 9:07:27 AM PST by Marguerite
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To: Grateful One; MEG33
It is Jamie Glazov not Glasov in the Front Page interview. Both of them seem to have the handle on leftism in this country. VDH sounds as much psychologist as he is historian and he nails the leftist mindset for what it is. People living off the fat of American success who deep down do not really like themselves for some reason and like the pop star who kills himself from a drug overdose the leftist tries to kill the country that makes his good life possible. Churchill, Chomskey and Michael Moore are not paupers, they live a very good life with high pay yet they trash the system that made it possible for them. If Michael Moore lived in Saudi Arabia and did a film on the Abdullah like he did on Bush they would torture his butt for a week and than run him through a wood chipper.

Liberalism =Mental Illness
32 posted on 03/13/2005 1:17:23 PM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: Marguerite; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

33 posted on 03/14/2005 4:39:41 AM PST by Tolik
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To: BerthaDee; Tolik
Wow. Excuse my ignorance, but who is this guy?

You've never had the pleasure of reading VDH?

He's one of the best.

FReeper Tolik runs a VDH ping list, I'm sure he'd add you to it if you asked.

34 posted on 03/14/2005 4:45:34 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: BerthaDee
FreeRepublic discussions of his articles: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-victordavishanson/browse

His NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

His blog: http://victorhanson.com/index.html     BIO: http://victorhanson.com/Author/index.html

Yes, he is listened by the Bush Administration; they like him maybe as much as we do: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085464/posts?page=6#6

35 posted on 03/14/2005 4:48:22 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Marguerite; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
VDH ~~ PING...
36 posted on 03/14/2005 4:52:47 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Marguerite; Tolik
A real keeper.
:O)

Thank you both,
Keep 'em coming.

37 posted on 03/14/2005 6:12:59 AM PST by metesky ("Maine: Last to know; First to go.")
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To: Marguerite

BFL again and again


38 posted on 03/14/2005 7:42:29 AM PST by dts32041 (When did the Democratic party stop being the political arm of the KKK?)
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To: Marguerite; Mo1; Peach

An excellent post. ping


39 posted on 03/14/2005 10:21:04 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: prairiebreeze

Love this paragraph:

At its richest, most populous stage in its history, the United States, after reeling from a devastating blow to its financial and military nerve centers, in less than three years toppled the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, implemented elections in Afghanistan and scheduled them in Iraq, prevented another 9/11-like attack — and so far has tragically lost about 1,100 in combat in a war against a virulent fascism that is antithetical to every aspect of Western liberty. Our grandfathers would have considered all this a miraculous military achievement. We call it a quagmire, deride our leaders as liars and traitors, and often doubted that our Marines — the greatest street-fighting besiegers in the history of warfare, who stormed Manila, Seoul, Hue, and Panama City — could take Fallujah last April."

And he has this figured out exactly:

"Beheadings, suicide bombings, mass executions, and improvised explosive devices are not intended to destroy or even defeat the U.S. military. Rather, they are aimed at the taxpaying citizens back home who fuel it."


40 posted on 03/14/2005 10:26:28 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
One of my favs of this thread:

"Thirty years ago, during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973, most of the Europeans of the NATO alliance refused over-flight rights to the United States. We had only hours in which to aid Israel from a multifaceted surprise attack and were desperately ferrying tons of supplies to save it from literal extinction. In contrast, many of these same allies allowed the Soviet Union — the supposed common enemy from which thousands of Americans were based in Europe to protect Europeans — to fly over NATO airspace to ensure the Syrians sufficient material to launch and sustain their surprise attack on the Golan. American "unilateralism" in those days meant acting alone not to let Israel perish. Had we gone "multilateral" and listened to our NATO allies — Germany, France, Greece, and Turkey all prohibited American planes from flying supplies in their space in transit to Tel-Aviv — there would be no Israel today at all."

And this about the Europeenies:

The Europeans are never going to risk lives and treasure for much of anything. The predictable NATO rule: The stationing of troops is to be determined in direct proportion to the absence of both need and danger."

We'd do well to remember this about out so-called "allies" that John Kerry and the left thinks so much of.

41 posted on 03/14/2005 10:32:54 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: prairiebreeze

That's why it's so amazing to read him...he reminds me of things I'd either long forgotten or were never highlighted in the MSM.

He's an astounding person with such great ability.


42 posted on 03/14/2005 10:36:13 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: OXENinFLA; Tolik

Thanks for the Victor Davis Hanson info. He's great.


43 posted on 03/14/2005 3:16:16 PM PST by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: Marguerite

bump for VDH!


44 posted on 03/14/2005 3:17:48 PM PST by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: Marguerite
It is never wrong to be on the side of freedom — NEVER!!!"

I agree totally. VDH is a true Renaissance man and he's ON OUR SIDE...I love it!

45 posted on 03/14/2005 3:58:50 PM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: Tolik

bump & thanks!


46 posted on 03/15/2005 12:20:30 AM PST by lainde
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