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BRAC's big date this week
Sierra Vista Herald, Sierra Vista Arizona ^ | 03/13/05 | Editor

Posted on 03/13/2005 5:06:17 AM PST by SandRat

Tuesday is a big day in the BRAC process. Fort Huachuca, like every other military base in the United States, is now in the stretch run.

The naming of the commission member is a step toward making the BRAC process a reality. The commission members take the list that will be issued by the Department of Defense on May 16 and will review the military's decisions.

What do we hope for from the BRAC commission?

First, we hope its members are fair in their review of what bases should be reduced or closed. By this, we hope that the commission members can look over the temptation of political pressures that will be brought to bear and make a decision based on what the military needs today and in the future.

Second, we hope members listen to why bases need to remain open. Through their travels later this year, the commissioners will need to have an understanding of the function of each military facility. They need to listen. Give people a chance to state their cases.

Third, we hope they use common sense in their approach. They need to carefully review why certain military functions are in certain areas of the nation. If they see something that doesn't work, they should fix it. When it comes to Fort Huachuca, we think they'll find a solid organization that has the space - both air and land - to carry out the missions it is tasked to accomplish.

If these factors happen, the commission will make a fair decision, which we believe includes the survival and possible growth of Fort Huachuca. The commissioners will make their decision based on the type of facts that make Fort Huachuca a unique installation because of its high-tech missions. One that is perfect for certain military functions. An added benefit is that it has the best relationships between a civilian community and a military base anywhere in the United States.

So, as you likely hear or see the names on Tuesday that are named to the nine-member BRAC commission, you'll want to take into account that these people have the power to change the BRAC list.

We hope they study well and approve the continuing efforts of Fort Huachuca to keep our nation safe. We are confident the commissioners will see it Fort Huachuca's way.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: bases; brac; closed; military; reductions

1 posted on 03/13/2005 5:06:18 AM PST by SandRat
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Radix; HiJinx; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; Da Jerdge; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; ...

And the wrangling is about to begin.


2 posted on 03/13/2005 5:06:50 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Being BRAC'd is not fun....

My dad got BRAC'd at Ft. Ritchie in 1995.

of course it got me out of the hell hole that is Pennsylvania and specifically, Waynesboro, so I can't complain too much.


3 posted on 03/13/2005 5:08:55 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: SandRat

4 posted on 03/13/2005 5:10:34 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: SandRat
Don't they have guards at Fort Huachuca anymore?
It seems they can not even control the borders of an Army base.
5 posted on 03/13/2005 5:12:28 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: SandRat

Better make some nachos and pop some corn..This will be quite a show.


6 posted on 03/13/2005 5:15:19 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MikeinIraq

I "got BRAC'd" in 1977, Kincheloe AFB, MI. I often wonder how the local community, Kinross, Rudyard, and Pickford faired.


7 posted on 03/13/2005 5:15:59 AM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errors may have been intentionally included)
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To: SandRat

To be appointed to this study group, will be dangerous.

LOL

How does on make that decision?

There would be no way to please everyone.

Maybe the push will once again be as it was in Long Beach,
and China wanted a navy base in California.


8 posted on 03/13/2005 5:18:06 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: realpatriot

I know Waynesboro went to hell in a handbasket, but really, now that I think about it, it remained pretty much the same.

The people there have no goals and only want to stay in the same location their entire lives. Some of them dont even know their way around local places like Chambersburg or Hagerstown, MD, both less than 30 miles away. It's pathetic to me, but I am an Army brat used to moving around and bigger communities like say, NYC or Augusta or even Clarksville, TN

The last I heard, the town was overrun with drug dealers.


9 posted on 03/13/2005 5:18:28 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: B Knotts

LOL! I love Brak. "I've got a doodle in my noodle and its name is Minky Boodle."


10 posted on 03/13/2005 5:19:16 AM PST by rabidralph (Gosh!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Don't they have guards at Fort Huachuca anymore? It seems they can not even control the borders of an Army base.

huh?
11 posted on 03/13/2005 5:19:20 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

CRIMINAL INVADERS go through the fort like it was swiss cheese.


12 posted on 03/13/2005 5:22:52 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Source?

Not just hearsay, a story if you please....


13 posted on 03/13/2005 5:23:30 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337349/posts


14 posted on 03/13/2005 5:25:11 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Interesting...

I guess using the military to "seal off" the border isnt a good plan then huh?


15 posted on 03/13/2005 5:28:37 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq
No it is a good idea and our fine troops can do the job if they are allowed to perform.
I believe it is a case of C2COs not allowing their men the means to do their job.
16 posted on 03/13/2005 5:32:57 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: SandRat
POLL
What do you think will happen to Fort Huachuca once the final Base Realignment and Closure process decision is made?
It will remain open with more missions. 35.5%
It will remain open with the same missions. 9.7%
It will remain open with fewer missions. 6.5%
It will be closed. 48.4%

Total Votes: 31
Your Vote: It will remain open with more missions.

This opinion despite this.

Southern Arizona's major employers, ranked by number of full-time-equivalent employees (FTE).

1 U.S. Army Intelligence Center and Fort Huachuca
Brig. Gen. Brian Keller, deputy commanding general,
huachuca-www.army.mil
* Fort Huachuca, AZ 85613 *
(520) 533-2752
FTE: 12,250,
+/-: 311 (+2.6%),
Payroll: N/A,
Avg Employee Pay: N/A


17 posted on 03/13/2005 5:33:13 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I dont know about that.

Ft. Huachuca is a big base. It would take a lot of manpower to cover every foot of it.

It would take a lot MORE manpower to cover our borders.


18 posted on 03/13/2005 5:33:59 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

When I first got here in '72 we had an MP BN now we have an understrength MP Detachment with DoD rent-a-cops. All courtesy of the "PEACE DIVIDEND."


19 posted on 03/13/2005 5:36:11 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MEG33

Nah Fry-bread and beef ribs just dripping with BBQ sauce, let not get silly gotta have Cervesa to wash it down. Dos Eces - por favor y muy pronto!


20 posted on 03/13/2005 5:38:45 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

We need a BRAC to deal with the entire federal government. Why limit it to military bases and force realignment? Does anybody in his right mind think the vast multitude of other government bureacuracies and endless money sink-holes are being run effeciently - much less even needed?


21 posted on 03/13/2005 5:39:00 AM PST by Gritty ("If a welfare state were a German S&M club, the government is the S and you're the M."-Mark Steyn)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Maybe el Zorro will say that he needs Ft. Sill so that he can control the lillegals --- Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe awwwwk! got myself into a laughing fit there.


22 posted on 03/13/2005 5:40:43 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Well..Don't get snippy about it...

I've got to go out the pasture, gather up some mesquite..get the fire going after I butcher the beef! You get your own beer!


23 posted on 03/13/2005 5:43:21 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Gritty

Yes there is someone. It's Kongress and they think they are perfect and the military is the sole federal imerfect waste.


24 posted on 03/13/2005 5:49:47 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MEG33

Ok,.....I'll bring the fry bread too.


25 posted on 03/13/2005 5:51:03 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MikeinIraq

BRAC decisions should be based on training area available.

We don't need little plots of ground or small reservations.

That would close Ft Knox, Ft Monmouth, etc. and similar places.

Modern Equipment requires large land areas for soldiers to train. If Huachuca is large it should be retained. If it isn't it should be closed.


26 posted on 03/13/2005 5:51:43 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: xzins

they do training at Ft. Knox....

it should be determined on who has the most pertinent mission and on down from there.

There is more to the military than just training.


27 posted on 03/13/2005 5:54:33 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: SandRat
By this, we hope that the commission members can look over the temptation of political pressures that will be brought to bear and make a decision based on what the military needs today and in the future.

If the did that, they'd not close bases, they open up some previously closed. But the political pressure of spending on the welfare state dictates that bases must be closed, weapons systems canceled, and troop numbers reduced. (Let them go on welfare I guess, not that some of the married junior enlisted members aren't already eligible for food stamps and such)

28 posted on 03/13/2005 6:45:57 AM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: MikeinIraq
There is more to the military than just training.

That's true, but most of the rest of mission can be tucked in to little corners of the big training bases. Co location has some advantages from a mission standpoint, as well as saving on overhead functions needed to keep any base or post open. OTOH, being a tenant on a base who's main mission is something other than yours can be a pain in the patooti.

29 posted on 03/13/2005 6:56:37 AM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: SandRat
When I first got here in '72 we had an MP BN now we have an understrength MP Detachment with DoD rent-a-cops

You have actual federal DoD police? The post I work on, as a civilian contractor, has a private security firm maning the gates. Some DoD "police" and MPs for other general law enforcement functions. The private rent a cops are at least armed. Glocks.

30 posted on 03/13/2005 6:59:21 AM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

You'd be surprised at the number who are. Every winter here the Optimist Club has what they call the Coats for Kids Campaign (ages toddler - 11th grade) and the president of the club tells me that they give at least 100-150 complete sets of winter coats, gloves, hats, and scarfs to the installation Chaplain for distrobution to the service families on post that are in need of those items.

What the KongressKritters don't get is that to outfit one soldier requires a whole lot of skilled trades people and craftsmen.

Why not try it? Remember you have start with the service member in his birthday suit and add one item at a time. Start equiping him and think of just who is involved, remember the little things like dog tags, razors, toilet paper, a comb and such too.

Done?

Good now multiply that by 500 and that's just for an initial issue of stuff and some of it gets used up and worn out so it has to be replaced. Now that's a good start on who many civilian workers you lay-off when you reduce the Army by one Battalion.

Now multiply that number by 30 and that's one combat Light infantry Division. Get the picture?


31 posted on 03/13/2005 7:00:52 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: El Gato
The badges say DoD but I think they are rent-a-cops and they do have Glocks on their hips. Since most of them are retired NCOs I'm fairly comfortable with them doing their duty and handling their fire arms correctly. I'd prefer the BN of MPs back.
32 posted on 03/13/2005 7:03:52 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

we hope members listen to why bases need to remain open

TRANSLATION: We hope members listen (see) why (that) the bases (GIs wallets) need to remain open in our town.....


33 posted on 03/13/2005 7:04:17 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate)
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To: SandRat

I was at Dugway Utah in 1995-1996 during the last BRAC. The gyrations that place went thru to get off the BRAC was something to watch.

There has been a complete industry created to deal with the BRAC commissions. There are consultants who manage the entire process. We had post wide meetings every week where we were given reports on the BRAC as well as things we should be doing.


34 posted on 03/13/2005 7:08:58 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: SAMS

See reply 31


35 posted on 03/13/2005 7:09:34 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Gritty

It's the infrastructure of a military installation that makes it different than other agencies. It's expensive to maintain the physical operations of a base, i.e. upkeep. If an activity on a base is important, it is realigned and moved to another location.


36 posted on 03/13/2005 7:14:01 AM PST by Alissa
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To: SandRat

"... to outfit one soldier requires a whole lot of skilled trades people and craftsmen."
"Remember you have start with the service member in his birthday suit and add one item at a time. Start equiping him and think of just who is involved, remember the little things like dog tags, razors, toilet paper, a comb and such too."
And none of this equipment is made outside the gates of Ft. Hoochykoochey, and most of it is purchased in the MCSS (Military clothing & Sales Stores)...


37 posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:16 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate)
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To: SAMS

So there are an awfull lot of folks across the country that are impacted when you eliminate one battalion of troops and even more when you eliminate a division think jobs for clothing, fabric mills, leather boot makers, farmers sending bulk food shipments, machinists making vehicles or a host of other items. When you cut into the size of the service you cut civilian jobs and the KongressKritters don't get it.

As to the jobs around here a good number are high tech engineering.

Add to that this area is still the most pristine electromagnetic area around to use for testing electronics for the military.


38 posted on 03/13/2005 7:38:35 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 03/13/2005 9:03:34 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: rabidralph

Minky boodle!


40 posted on 03/13/2005 9:05:47 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: SandRat

During the Clinton era, there were many who thought that his big FEMA plan, included using the old military bases to house those of us who didn't support him.

I didn't check these, but I think they will take you to a couple that are worth reading.

Take off the FEMA and run it again, it goes then all the way back to the Civil War POW camps.

Don't ask me if it is true, some of it is pure tinfoil, others are real, old prisons are also to be used.

I don't even guess now at who will live in them......LOL

http://www.google.com/search?q=FEMA+Prisoner+of+war+locations+in+the+U.S.&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&c2coff=1&client=googlet


41 posted on 03/13/2005 9:20:13 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

I said, "I've got a doodle in my noodle and its name is Minky Boodle."


42 posted on 03/13/2005 9:23:21 AM PST by rabidralph (Gosh!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Then they have a real problem if they try it, though I doubt anyone would be so dumb to try, as there a very large number of citizens out there that took and oath to protect and defend the constitution of these United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic; and still live by that oath since it ended with "So help me God!"

The man upstairs hasn't released anyone from that oath yet.

Last time I actually went through and researched the rules on FEMA carefully as well as all the EOs that talked about it the fear factor of internment camps was not in it. There is always wiggle room for some carpetbagging Philadelphia Lawyer to try and say it's there but there are more than enough of real constructionist lawyer freepers that will say it would be one heck of mess if any carpet bagger tried it.
43 posted on 03/13/2005 10:18:31 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

I am willing for you to be correct on the POW camps.

There would be a use for them with the illegals, last night on the California radio stations, there were several who talked about the fact that the illegal holding quarters are all full, said they were catching and releasing them.

I don't hold with the catch and release, POW's have been marched from one point to another since the first war on this earth.


44 posted on 03/13/2005 10:31:01 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: MikeinIraq

I was at Knox. The environmentalists had restricted any activity in most of the post, and the remainder was large enough for only about platoon on platoon of armor.

It's really of little use.

Anyplace can put up office space. Only a few have real training areas. The best interests of the military lie with those place that have extensive training areas.


45 posted on 03/13/2005 1:12:29 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: rabidralph
Minky boodle!

All hail Brak!
46 posted on 03/14/2005 4:47:23 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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