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NY Times: Iraq Had WMD 'Stockpiles' in 2003
News Max ^ | March 13, 2005 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican

In a stunning about-face, the New York Times reported Sunday that when the U.S. attacked Iraq in March 2003, Saddam Hussein possessed "stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials," as well as sophisticated equipment to manufacture nuclear and biological weapons, which was removed to "a neighboring state" before the U.S. could secure the weapons sites.

The U.N.'s Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission [Unmovic], "has filed regular reports to the Security Council since last May," the paper said, "about the dismantlement of important weapons installations and "the export of dangerous materials to foreign states."

"Officials of the commission and the [International] Atomic Energy Agency have repeatedly called on the Iraqi government to report on what it knows of the fate of the thousands of pieces of monitored equipment and stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials."

Last fall, IAEA director Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei confirmed that "nuclear-related materials" had gone missing from monitored sites, calling on the interim Iraqi government to start the process of accounting for the missing stockpiles still ostensibly under the agency's supervision.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2003; araji; bsmeteronhigh; draraji; goofyanan; iraq; nukesmissing; nyslimes; nyt; nytracktracking; stockpiles; unbungling; unsucks; wmd; wmdwasthere
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1 posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican
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To: MisterRepublican

???


2 posted on 03/13/2005 7:28:12 AM PST by cardinal4 (George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
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To: MisterRepublican

I must be having a dream...


3 posted on 03/13/2005 7:28:25 AM PST by ErnBatavia (ErnBatavia, Boxer, Pelosi, Thomas...the ultimate nightmare Menage a Quatro)
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To: MisterRepublican

I am not believing my eyes.

What's Chrissy Matthews et al. going to say now that it's in the Rat bible?


4 posted on 03/13/2005 7:29:00 AM PST by wouldntbprudent ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: MisterRepublican

When is the NYT's going to tell the American people, Democrats excluded, something we don't already know?


5 posted on 03/13/2005 7:30:47 AM PST by hflynn
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To: johnny7; TomGuy; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; gidget7; nopardons; Kenny Bunk; GianniV; ...

news from the NYTimes?


6 posted on 03/13/2005 7:31:03 AM PST by bitt ("Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,")
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To: MisterRepublican
The United Nations, worried that the nuclear material and equipment could be used in clandestine bomb production, has been hunting for it throughout the Middle East, largely unsuccessfully, the Times said.

The UN is "hunting" for something they said doesn't exist, and the NY Times is reporting it?

Is this an alternate reality?

7 posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:11 AM PST by Noachian (Impeach a Judge - Save a Nation)
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To: MisterRepublican

Is this story at the NY Slimes or just this from Newsmax?


8 posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:19 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: MisterRepublican

Good news!

Another loss for the liberal MSM.

Time to bring out all pots here on FR re WMDs in Iraq and how they were transported to Syria.


9 posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:35 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: MisterRepublican
Welcome aboard, NYT.

Better late than never.
Now go sit in the corner and shut up.

10 posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:52 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: MisterRepublican
Not to worry. The UN is on it!!!!

The United Nations, worried that the nuclear material and equipment could be used in clandestine bomb production, has been hunting for it throughout the Middle East, largely unsuccessfully, the Times said.


Now, won't you sleep better tonite ?
11 posted on 03/13/2005 7:33:00 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: MisterRepublican
This story validates my suspicion that the WMD's were removed before and shortly after the beginning of the war. But George W. Bush never "LIED" about their existence like the liberals like to claim.
12 posted on 03/13/2005 7:33:01 AM PST by MisterRepublican (I DEMAND THAT FOX NEWS GET JENNIFER ECCLESTON BACK FROM NBC!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

pots = posts


14 posted on 03/13/2005 7:33:27 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: MisterRepublican

how many rats based their voting in november 2004 on this one issue?

that "bush lied to us".

when we knew damn well that president bush had the same information that john kerry, hillary clinton, ted kennedy, tom daschle ad infinitum had.

you'd have to be a moron to watch television as your source of "news".


15 posted on 03/13/2005 7:34:26 AM PST by ken21 ( today's luxury development. tomorrow's slum.)
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To: SeaBiscuit

This can't be right. This would be the story of the decade if it is. The Times would spin this story differently. Definitely have to wait and see on this one.


16 posted on 03/13/2005 7:34:59 AM PST by speedy
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To: MisterRepublican

As Raymond's father would say..... "HOLY CRAP!!!"


17 posted on 03/13/2005 7:35:05 AM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: MisterRepublican
In a stunning about-face, the New York Times reported Sunday that when the U.S. attacked Iraq in March 2003, Saddam Hussein possessed "stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials,"

Geez, at times NewsMax gets as stupid as WingNutDaily.
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Key word there is "monitored." The monitored stuff wasn't in violation of UN resolutions. This isn't exactly some startling revelation.

19 posted on 03/13/2005 7:35:48 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: MisterRepublican

Ha! Ha! Ha! What are the "Bush Lied" DUmmie crowd going to have to say about this! LOLOL!!!


21 posted on 03/13/2005 7:37:00 AM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: Hand em their arse

Am I hallucinating, or does the word "monitored" actually exist in the story?

I cannot fathom why this is being treated as a big deal.


22 posted on 03/13/2005 7:37:09 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Noachian
Can't you see that this is but another step in their attempts to denigrate the Administration? The old story, "Bush lied about WMD" never had much traction except on the far left so now they have changed course and will claim that Perhaps there were WMD and Bush, the incompetent has let them get away to be used by another rogue regime.
23 posted on 03/13/2005 7:37:42 AM PST by JoeV1
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To: MisterRepublican
calling on the interim Iraqi government to start the process of accounting for the missing stockpiles

Sounds like the slimes is trying to get the current Iraqi government to tip it's hand on what it knows about the missing WMD. Funny how they demand accountability now...
24 posted on 03/13/2005 7:38:53 AM PST by grumple (I'm too old to worry about whether or not I'm a pain in your ass...)
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To: MisterRepublican

Anyone have a link to the NY Times story. I'd like to have that to rub some people's faces in it.


25 posted on 03/13/2005 7:39:02 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Ann Coulter for Cornell Trustee:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344035/posts)
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To: SeaBiscuit

From this NYT story: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/international/middleeast/13loot.html?ex=1111294800&en=2908f890e8beb814&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY


26 posted on 03/13/2005 7:39:04 AM PST by MisterRepublican (I DEMAND THAT FOX NEWS GET JENNIFER ECCLESTON BACK FROM NBC!)
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To: MisterRepublican

Is this one of those "joke" posts? Come on...spill the beans...good chuckle. ;-)


27 posted on 03/13/2005 7:39:15 AM PST by EBH (And the Wall came tumblin' down...)
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To: MisterRepublican
I'm must be having Ern's dream too. Unbelievable.

Please BUMP, pretty please?

And keep it BUMPED!

29 posted on 03/13/2005 7:39:33 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: campfollower

other news:


30 posted on 03/13/2005 7:40:21 AM PST by bitt ("Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,")
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To: JoeV1

Good point! Darn, I was hoping it was good news. But you're probably right.


31 posted on 03/13/2005 7:40:51 AM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Anyone have a link to the NY Times story. I'd like to have that to rub some people's faces in it.

Rub their faces in what, exactly? About declared and UN-monitored stuff being in Iraq before the war? This is news, how?

32 posted on 03/13/2005 7:40:52 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: MisterRepublican

Only for the NY Times would this be news.


33 posted on 03/13/2005 7:42:05 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: MisterRepublican

Ah, nevermind, found a link

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050313/ZNYT03/503130457

The article from the NY Times is written in such a way as to obscure the point that THIS article makes. No surprise there.


34 posted on 03/13/2005 7:42:07 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Ann Coulter for Cornell Trustee:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344035/posts)
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To: grumple

1) It's not "WMD" its materials that could have been conceivably related to making them.

2) It was openly known and declared material that inspectors regularly came by and inspected.

3) It wasn't in violation of any UN resolutions.

4) It didn't go missing till after the war.


35 posted on 03/13/2005 7:42:08 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

The Times story is about it being moved AFTER the invasion....this looks BAD on US.


36 posted on 03/13/2005 7:42:34 AM PST by EBH (And the Wall came tumblin' down...)
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To: MisterRepublican; Ragtime Cowgirl; Radix; HiJinx; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; Da Jerdge; MJY1288; ...
Folks,..... help me! Am I reading this right? Is the NYT admitting that GW was right? Was there WMD in IRAQ and Saddam shipped 'em out.

Uh, oh..... trouble they are pointing to supporting GW on Syria and Iran being the receivers and trouble makers in the middle east too.

Am I seeing things? Maybe PIGs really can fly.
37 posted on 03/13/2005 7:43:32 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Strategerist

"U.N.'s Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission"

Well, I'm probably an idiot for never having heard of this organization but the whole name itself sound like a gigantic rambling oxymoron...


38 posted on 03/13/2005 7:43:32 AM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: MisterRepublican

found the article:
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050313/ZNYT03/503130457

Looting at Iraqi Weapons Plants Was Systematic, Official Says

By JAMES GLANZ and WILLIAM J. BROAD
New York Times

BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 12 - In the weeks after Baghdad fell in April 2003, looters systematically dismantled and removed tons of machinery from Saddam Hussein's most important weapons installations, including some with high-precision equipment capable of making parts for nuclear arms, a senior Iraqi official said this week in the government's first extensive comments on the looting.

The Iraqi official, Sami al-Araji, the deputy minister of industry, said it appeared that a highly organized operation had pinpointed specific plants in search of valuable equipment, some of which could be used for both military and civilian applications, and carted the machinery away.

Dr. Araji said his account was based largely on observations by government employees and officials who either worked at the sites or lived near them.

"They came in with the cranes and the lorries, and they depleted the whole sites," Dr. Araji said. "They knew what they were doing; they knew what they want. This was sophisticated looting."

The threat posed by these types of facilities was cited by the Bush administration as a reason for invading Iraq, but the installations were left largely unguarded by allied forces in the chaotic months after the invasion.

Dr. Araji's statements came just a week after a United Nations agency disclosed that approximately 90 important sites in Iraq had been looted or razed in that period.

Satellite imagery analyzed by two United Nations groups - the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, or Unmovic - confirms that some of the sites identified by Dr. Araji appear to be totally or partly stripped, senior officials at those agencies said. Those officials said they could not comment on all of Dr. Araji's assertions, because the groups had been barred from Iraq since the invasion.
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39 posted on 03/13/2005 7:44:51 AM PST by bitt ("Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,")
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To: EBH
The Times story is about it being moved AFTER the invasion....this looks BAD on US.

Yeah, this is one of those wishful thinking delusional threads it's impossible to stop with reason on FR. Oh well.

40 posted on 03/13/2005 7:45:00 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: MisterRepublican

Thanks for the link. I'm amazed that the Slimes would even print this.

"Dr. Araji said his account was based largely on observations by government employees and officials who either worked at the sites or lived near them."

Where are these gov. employees and officials now?


41 posted on 03/13/2005 7:45:19 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Strategerist

See Post 34. I was looking for the NY Times article precisely because I know that Newsmax tends to skew things and wanted confirmation of what NYT wrote before I used it.

Reading the original story I agree with you.


42 posted on 03/13/2005 7:45:43 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Ann Coulter for Cornell Trustee:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344035/posts)
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To: MisterRepublican

NYSlimes has already been discredited many times over...who cares...too little too late....us in the Red States NO longer give a sh*t what this articles says, we already knew this truth!!! NYSlimes is a bias piece of crap!!! This rag is a great kitty poop liner for my kitty's poop box.


43 posted on 03/13/2005 7:46:07 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: MisterRepublican
To be sure, the Times spin is that the "monitored stockpiles" and other "dangerous" materials, along with the equipment to make more, was "looted" because the US blundered by not securing the sites.

But that's not the real news here. I urge all to read the Times original report and see what it says.

The real news is that the Times is admitting Iraq had tons of bad stuff when we invaded that it wasn't supposed to have, including "nuclear related" materials that have now gone missing.

If it's a problem that, that stuff is missing now, it certainly had to be considered a problem when Saddam had it.

44 posted on 03/13/2005 7:46:53 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax
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To: SandRat
Folks,..... help me! Am I reading this right? Is the NYT admitting that GW was right? Was there WMD in IRAQ and Saddam shipped 'em out.

Nope. READ THE STORIES CAREFULLY.

The stories are saying that some dual-use materials and plants that could conceivably be used to make WMDs (NO actual WMDs themselves) that were tagged and regularly inspected by the UN, and fully declared and known, were looted and shipped out of Iraq AFTER the US invaded.

45 posted on 03/13/2005 7:47:03 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: SandRat
Folks,..... help me! Am I reading this right? Is the NYT admitting that GW was right?

Nope. They're quoting an Iraqi official, not claiming it themselves. It's basically just Bush-bashing.

46 posted on 03/13/2005 7:47:05 AM PST by Grut
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To: MisterRepublican; MeekOneGOP
Meek ping! Oh, and you know what? Right on the courthouse square in Johnson County (TX), the Dim committee HQ storefront has had a great big sign that says; "BUSH LIES".

Been frosting my britches everytime I see it. Now, I'm gonna bring this article to 'em, and ask that they take it down. And I will be happy to entertain other ideas if they don't do it. (and I won't be holding my breath)

47 posted on 03/13/2005 7:47:20 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: SandRat

See post 39. Newsmax spun the story much, much, more pro-Bush than the actual NYT article was.


48 posted on 03/13/2005 7:47:38 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Ann Coulter for Cornell Trustee:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344035/posts)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
The real news is that the Times is admitting Iraq had tons of bad stuff when we invaded that it wasn't supposed to have, including "nuclear related" materials that have now gone missing.

"Wasn't supposed to have?" Actually Iraq was permitted to have a lot of "nuclear related" materials, including the tons of yellowcake, etc.

49 posted on 03/13/2005 7:47:58 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: MisterRepublican

Time to change strategy?

The Bush Lied strategy failed, so let's switch to Bush let stockpiles get away.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 7:48:20 AM PST by Samwise (On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.)
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