Skip to comments.NY Times: Iraq Had WMD 'Stockpiles' in 2003
Posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican
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I must be having a dream...
I am not believing my eyes.
What's Chrissy Matthews et al. going to say now that it's in the Rat bible?
When is the NYT's going to tell the American people, Democrats excluded, something we don't already know?
news from the NYTimes?
The UN is "hunting" for something they said doesn't exist, and the NY Times is reporting it?
Is this an alternate reality?
Is this story at the NY Slimes or just this from Newsmax?
Another loss for the liberal MSM.
Time to bring out all pots here on FR re WMDs in Iraq and how they were transported to Syria.
Better late than never.
Now go sit in the corner and shut up.
pots = posts
how many rats based their voting in november 2004 on this one issue?
that "bush lied to us".
when we knew damn well that president bush had the same information that john kerry, hillary clinton, ted kennedy, tom daschle ad infinitum had.
you'd have to be a moron to watch television as your source of "news".
This can't be right. This would be the story of the decade if it is. The Times would spin this story differently. Definitely have to wait and see on this one.
As Raymond's father would say..... "HOLY CRAP!!!"
Geez, at times NewsMax gets as stupid as WingNutDaily.
Key word there is "monitored." The monitored stuff wasn't in violation of UN resolutions. This isn't exactly some startling revelation.
Ha! Ha! Ha! What are the "Bush Lied" DUmmie crowd going to have to say about this! LOLOL!!!
Am I hallucinating, or does the word "monitored" actually exist in the story?
I cannot fathom why this is being treated as a big deal.
Anyone have a link to the NY Times story. I'd like to have that to rub some people's faces in it.
Is this one of those "joke" posts? Come on...spill the beans...good chuckle. ;-)
Please BUMP, pretty please?
And keep it BUMPED!
Good point! Darn, I was hoping it was good news. But you're probably right.
Rub their faces in what, exactly? About declared and UN-monitored stuff being in Iraq before the war? This is news, how?
Only for the NY Times would this be news.
Ah, nevermind, found a link
The article from the NY Times is written in such a way as to obscure the point that THIS article makes. No surprise there.
1) It's not "WMD" its materials that could have been conceivably related to making them.
2) It was openly known and declared material that inspectors regularly came by and inspected.
3) It wasn't in violation of any UN resolutions.
4) It didn't go missing till after the war.
The Times story is about it being moved AFTER the invasion....this looks BAD on US.
"U.N.'s Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission"
Well, I'm probably an idiot for never having heard of this organization but the whole name itself sound like a gigantic rambling oxymoron...
found the article:
Looting at Iraqi Weapons Plants Was Systematic, Official Says
By JAMES GLANZ and WILLIAM J. BROAD
New York Times
BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 12 - In the weeks after Baghdad fell in April 2003, looters systematically dismantled and removed tons of machinery from Saddam Hussein's most important weapons installations, including some with high-precision equipment capable of making parts for nuclear arms, a senior Iraqi official said this week in the government's first extensive comments on the looting.
The Iraqi official, Sami al-Araji, the deputy minister of industry, said it appeared that a highly organized operation had pinpointed specific plants in search of valuable equipment, some of which could be used for both military and civilian applications, and carted the machinery away.
Dr. Araji said his account was based largely on observations by government employees and officials who either worked at the sites or lived near them.
"They came in with the cranes and the lorries, and they depleted the whole sites," Dr. Araji said. "They knew what they were doing; they knew what they want. This was sophisticated looting."
The threat posed by these types of facilities was cited by the Bush administration as a reason for invading Iraq, but the installations were left largely unguarded by allied forces in the chaotic months after the invasion.
Dr. Araji's statements came just a week after a United Nations agency disclosed that approximately 90 important sites in Iraq had been looted or razed in that period.
Satellite imagery analyzed by two United Nations groups - the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, or Unmovic - confirms that some of the sites identified by Dr. Araji appear to be totally or partly stripped, senior officials at those agencies said. Those officials said they could not comment on all of Dr. Araji's assertions, because the groups had been barred from Iraq since the invasion.
Yeah, this is one of those wishful thinking delusional threads it's impossible to stop with reason on FR. Oh well.
Thanks for the link. I'm amazed that the Slimes would even print this.
"Dr. Araji said his account was based largely on observations by government employees and officials who either worked at the sites or lived near them."
Where are these gov. employees and officials now?
See Post 34. I was looking for the NY Times article precisely because I know that Newsmax tends to skew things and wanted confirmation of what NYT wrote before I used it.
Reading the original story I agree with you.
NYSlimes has already been discredited many times over...who cares...too little too late....us in the Red States NO longer give a sh*t what this articles says, we already knew this truth!!! NYSlimes is a bias piece of crap!!! This rag is a great kitty poop liner for my kitty's poop box.
But that's not the real news here. I urge all to read the Times original report and see what it says.
The real news is that the Times is admitting Iraq had tons of bad stuff when we invaded that it wasn't supposed to have, including "nuclear related" materials that have now gone missing.
If it's a problem that, that stuff is missing now, it certainly had to be considered a problem when Saddam had it.
Nope. READ THE STORIES CAREFULLY.
The stories are saying that some dual-use materials and plants that could conceivably be used to make WMDs (NO actual WMDs themselves) that were tagged and regularly inspected by the UN, and fully declared and known, were looted and shipped out of Iraq AFTER the US invaded.
Nope. They're quoting an Iraqi official, not claiming it themselves. It's basically just Bush-bashing.
Been frosting my britches everytime I see it. Now, I'm gonna bring this article to 'em, and ask that they take it down. And I will be happy to entertain other ideas if they don't do it. (and I won't be holding my breath)
See post 39. Newsmax spun the story much, much, more pro-Bush than the actual NYT article was.
"Wasn't supposed to have?" Actually Iraq was permitted to have a lot of "nuclear related" materials, including the tons of yellowcake, etc.
Time to change strategy?
The Bush Lied strategy failed, so let's switch to Bush let stockpiles get away.
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