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NY Times: Iraq Had WMD 'Stockpiles' in 2003
News Max ^ | March 13, 2005 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican

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To: Baynative

If it was such a big deal then where is fox news?

Non story.. that's why.


101 posted on 03/13/2005 8:44:33 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Strategerist
While all your points are correct, and some could try to blame US, it's the military that would take any heat, HOWEVER the larger point is that W was justified in believing there was nucleur trouble brewing in Iraq. More proof that GWB was not creating false reasons to remove Saddam.
102 posted on 03/13/2005 8:46:02 AM PST by chiller (DONE: Gore, taxes, terrorism,Kerry, Old Media. TO DO: Judges, Tort, IRS, Soc.Sec.,borders..)
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To: MisterRepublican
"repeatedly called on the Iraqi government to report on what it knows of the fate of the thousands of pieces of monitored equipment and stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials."

Interesting 'foot n the door' alert:
They couldn't mention the possibility - until an elected and US supported government was in place and then it's suddenly of great concern.
The new government is expected not only to go find the stuff but to do it because "the missing stockpiles (are) still ostensibly under the agency's supervision".

103 posted on 03/13/2005 8:48:28 AM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: Strategerist

Good points and I'm glad someone made them...there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on this WMD issue and partisans on BOTH 'sides' seem to be deliberately 'spinning' these issues to EXPLOIT people's [especially the ignorant masses'] preconceptions or misconceptions; a lot of 'Lets not confuzzle the rubes with FACTS!' going on...-sigh-


104 posted on 03/13/2005 8:51:51 AM PST by FYREDEUS
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To: MeekOneGOP; dennisw; SJackson; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; Salem; Sanch; ...
(I'll gladly give THIS ONE to Dubya!)

WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THE WMD ALL ALONG (AND NOW THE MSM EATS THE BIG CROW) - ping.

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And the OSCAR goes to . . Saddam Hussein!

In a stunning about-face, the New York Times reported Sunday that when the U.S. attacked Iraq in March 2003, Saddam Hussein possessed "stockpiles of monitored chemicals and materials," as well as sophisticated equipment to manufacture nuclear and biological weapons, which was removed to "a neighboring state" before the U.S. could secure the weapons sites.

Hollywood Elites Duck Iraq War Debate
By Jeff Gannon
GOPUSA News
March 11, 2003

WASHINGTON (GOPUSA News) -- Ten of Hollywood's loudest "anti-war" activists were recently invited to debate public policy and military experts about a war in Iraq, but none of them showed up. Frontiers of Freedom (FOF), a non-profit think tank, sponsored the event at the National Press Club. Invited to appear were George Clooney, Matt Damon, Mike Farrell, Janeane Garofolo, Ethan Hawke, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Martin Sheen, Barbra Streisand, and Uma Thurman.

"Six weeks ago we sent an open-ended invitation to these celebrities to appear at a fair and honest debate," said Jason Wright, Vice President of FOF.

"Most never responded at all -- those that did said no. It's one thing to exercise free speech, which we fully support, but when you command attention as they do it is shameful to rattle off inaccuracies and traditional liberal tripe then quickly bury your head in the sand when faced with opposition. In fact, it's shameful," Wright said.

FOF president George Landrith added that Hollywood claims war is never the answer, regardless of the threat. "To those who ask why we're picking on Hollywood, it's simple. They have power and influence on culture but no accountability. They are in a unique position to spout off whatever they like without a challenge. Hollywood stars have no expertise and no sense of history. They regurgitate talking points without a care," Landrith said.

Landrith continued, "As to the issue of Saddam himself, it's not that complicated. The only reason he is feigning cooperation and allowing the inspectors to return is that he does not want the U.S. armed forces to return."

Bob Bevelacqua, former U.S. Army Major and defense consultant, expressed disappointment that Hollywood was not represented at the debate. "I hoped to share with them details of a video I was shown recently in a high-level briefing at the Pentagon," Bevelacqua said.

"I've seen some pretty disgusting things but what I just saw in this video, which I hope will soon be made public, was shocking. Saddam uses rape rooms, keeps prep rooms for the rapists to prepare themselves, even tapes and then edits them to be sent to the families of the raped women. I would like to hear what Hollywood says about that. Bombs, nerve agents, and canisters are one thing, but when you attach faces, it's another story. Is action in Iraq just? It is absolutely just, and the time is now," Bevelacqua said.

Retired U.S. Navy Capt. Chuck Nash compared the situation in Iraq to a disease. "We have been treating this disease with over-the-counter measures. We must make a commitment to stop fighting the disease from afar. We must go to the center, and we must stop fighting the symptoms."

On the issue of human shields, Nash added that most of the young people have left Baghdad, determined not to put their lives at risk. "But over 300,000 other young men and women are in the area," he said. "They are courageously standing, honoring their commitment. United we should and must stand."

"There are a few great 'Hollywood Lies'," concluded Peter Hussey, a veteran of three administrations and a respected defense consultant. "One is that inspections work. Mike Farrell likes to say that the job of inspectors is to go and hunt for these weapons of mass destruction. Yet the latest United Nations resolutions call for Iraq to come clean without digging by the team of Hans Blix. They are not detectives."

"Another lie is Mike Farrell claiming that Iraq is not a threat. How can this be? Recently Saddam gave an interview revealing his goal to rule the region, dominate Israel, and get revenge on the U.S. for the Gulf War. This is not a threat? Look, if we are wrong this time it will be far worse than Kuwait, we will have terrorism with global reach. We must end the threat today," Hussey said.

105 posted on 03/13/2005 8:56:30 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Almondjoy
Uh - hum.

FOX News is owned by an avowed liberal - FYI.

106 posted on 03/13/2005 8:58:31 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Bingo, leave it in the hands of the good bad one, Saddam.


107 posted on 03/13/2005 8:58:37 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: MisterRepublican

What page was this on? Section D, page 99?


108 posted on 03/13/2005 8:59:46 AM PST by demkicker (John McCain is a power hungry traitor and proved it on 2/19/05 in Iraq)
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To: Happy2BMe

Thanks for the ping!


109 posted on 03/13/2005 9:00:15 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MeekOneGOP
How would that SOB Dan Rather report THIS STORY!?
110 posted on 03/13/2005 9:02:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Must be one of those top down conspiracy's.

I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to a magic bullet and put it in the archives with JFK.
111 posted on 03/13/2005 9:02:55 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: MisterRepublican
You have to laugh pretty hard on this....it will now be a catalyst to attack both Syria and Iran.

Now that the "Paper of Record" < gag > is on board we might not have to wait for 14 UN resolutions before we strike.

112 posted on 03/13/2005 9:03:38 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Almondjoy

And Bill O'Reilly is a conservative. And Michael Moore votes Republican.


113 posted on 03/13/2005 9:04:15 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Happy2BMe
How would that SOB Dan Rather report THIS STORY!?

Rerun the September 8, 2004 piece in 60 Minutes, or something like that.


114 posted on 03/13/2005 9:09:15 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MisterRepublican

Bookmarking your post Sir...


115 posted on 03/13/2005 9:11:37 AM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: MisterRepublican

BUMP!


116 posted on 03/13/2005 9:12:44 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Happy2BMe

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/international/middleeast/13loot.html?hp&ex=1110776400&en=e7534dd977e6dc08&ei=5094&partner=homepage

ya gotta watch it with newsmax: the NYT did no such thing.


117 posted on 03/13/2005 9:16:30 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Happy2BMe; Almondjoy
"FOX News is owned by an avowed liberal - FYI."

Check the link between FOX News and Red China.

Guess who been supplying Red China with
technology and information consulting services since 1995?
Wonder what part klintoon played in this deal?
Chinabyte aims to target the rapid expansion of both
the PC market and Internet sector in China,
providing technology and information consulting services
and support to China's rapidly expanding information technology sector...

News Corporation (AKA FOX NEWS) List of Companies,
Chairman and Chief Executive: K. Rupert Murdoch


Check the description of Chinabyte.com

Chinabyte.com is the merged entity between Beijing PDN Xinren Information Technology Co Ltd (www.chinabyte.com, www.cseek.com) and Chongqing Yesky Technology Co Ltd (www.yesky.com). PDN was established by News Corporation and People's Daily in 1995 while Yesky was established by Chinese PC Weekly and International Data Group in 1999. Both companies decided to merge to form the undisputable No 1 IT Chinese portal in April 2001.

Chinabyte aims to target the rapid expansion of both the PC market and Internet sector in China, providing technology and information consulting services and support to China's rapidly expanding information technolgy sector, establishing a world class Chinese site for all Chinese, as well as tapping the IT publication market. It has three websites, with Chinabyte.com focusing on advanced users, Yesky.com focusing on public users, while Cseek providing leading Chinese search engine services.

Number of Employees: 80 In Operation Since: 1995
118 posted on 03/13/2005 9:18:22 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On " FReepers. They want to give Hanoi Kerry a free pass? mmmm WHY?)
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To: Happy2BMe; Almondjoy

"FOX News is owned by an avowed liberal - FYI."

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/12/21/205919.shtml

Murdoch Builds China Home
NewsMax ^ | 12/21/04 | Carl Limbacher

Australian-born media magnate Rupert Murdoch is building a home near the Forbidden City in Beijing.

The News Corporation executive chairman was building the house on property he bought in the Chinese capital's political and diplomatic area, Britain's Daily Telegraph website said Tuesday.

Quoting Hong Kong's South China Morning Post, a paper once owned by the media mogul, it said Murdoch is building a large house in the siheyuan courtyard style, deemed to embody Confucian thought.

The 21,000 square feet home will have two stories underground and will be built from traditional grey bricks and roof tiles, including some from a former house on the site.

Mr Murdoch is also in the process of buying a new residence in New York's Fifth Ave. He reportedly paid $44 million for the posh 4000 square feet pad.


119 posted on 03/13/2005 9:19:06 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On " FReepers. They want to give Hanoi Kerry a free pass? mmmm WHY?)
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To: King Prout; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; devolve
Browsed that one already. I think the WMD went to Lebanon via Syria. I find it amazing the Iraqis had the focus to gut those facilities in the midst of being attacked - but they did. They had their priorities and Saddam's #1 priority was to get any WMD (most was already exported to Syria at that time) and to dismantle any remaining evidence.

They'll be eating crow pie for a long time over at the NYT.

120 posted on 03/13/2005 9:21:50 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Happy2BMe

"I find it amazing the Iraqis had the focus to gut those facilities in the midst of being attacked - but they did"

And, they may have had some help from the Rooskies..


121 posted on 03/13/2005 9:24:16 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Happy2BMe

look, I suspect something along those lines, too, but NewsMax has (once again) played fast and loose with the facts in its article: The NYT made no such admission, it made NO SUCH "dramatic about-face".

I hope that in the fullness of time the facts will force the Slimes to eat a hogshead of crow, but we ain't there yet, and this NewsMax article does nothing but fool some of us into thinking we ARE.

We'd look like ASSES if we went into debate armed only with NewsMax spin.


122 posted on 03/13/2005 9:26:38 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: SeaBiscuit; GarySpFc

#121 - Ruskies.


123 posted on 03/13/2005 9:26:44 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: King Prout
Good point(s) - thanks.

NewsMax does get ahead of the facts at times, I agree.

Still, this is a major admission for the NYT when just a little over a year ago they had to fire one of their own (or was it two) reporters for lying in the other direction.

124 posted on 03/13/2005 9:28:37 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Travis McGee; TexasCowboy; FBD; ApesForEvolution; PhilDragoo; devolve; ...
(Slightly off topic.)

#118 and #119 - great info on why things in the media are the way things are in the media (FOXNEWS) - ping.

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Australian-born media magnate Rupert Murdoch is building a home near the Forbidden City in Beijing.

The (FOX) News Corporation executive chairman was building the house on property he bought in the Chinese capital's political and diplomatic area, Britain's Daily Telegraph website said Tuesday.

125 posted on 03/13/2005 9:34:33 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: ken21; Miss Marple; piasa; cyncooper; Dog; Peach; Grampa Dave; AmericanInTokyo; Howlin; ...
how many rats based their voting in november 2004 on this one issue? that "bush lied to us".

Perhaps this is an attempt to get out on the right side of the WMD issue before Iraq's stockpile is discovered in another country. They might still have some time before that occurs so that they can prep the sheeple for the "new message" and movie the expectation goal posts on the GWB administration.

I see the Left's false arguement shifting from "Bush lied about WMD" to "Bush lost Iraq's WMD" as events unfold. The "new message" shifts the focus from Bush's and Republican's honesty to competency. It also plays right into Hillary!s shift towards homeland defense, military, and immigration issues. The slogan "It's the economy, stupid" in 1992 was all about competency and "Bush lost Iraq's WMD" is the post-911 equivalent.

126 posted on 03/13/2005 9:40:26 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: EBH
The Times story is about it being moved AFTER the invasion....this looks BAD on US.

At least that's how the NYT is trying to spin it. See my post #126

127 posted on 03/13/2005 9:42:42 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: jriemer

I don't know about the subplots with Hillary and how this helps her in '08....but the NY Times has done Bush a huge favor today whether they know it or not. They have just laid the groundwork for a future military operation to go get those missing WMD.


128 posted on 03/13/2005 9:45:01 AM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: Modok
I don't know that they knew there were WMD but they will certainly be embarrassed, as will the entire lamestream media, if and when these weapons turn up.

Look for the usual suspects to claim the WMD, if found, were actually planted there by us just for the political victory their discovery would guarantee.
129 posted on 03/13/2005 9:45:01 AM PST by JoeV1
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To: Phsstpok
See post #126 about my thoughts on the NYT story
130 posted on 03/13/2005 9:45:08 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: shield

NYT is much too expensive for a kitty box liner.

Try the Washington Post, its only a quarter.


131 posted on 03/13/2005 9:45:58 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: MisterRepublican
"Saddam's son-in-law and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan."

The key factor is "lied". I quoted the above from our president --- in 2/98. What these media/political pinheads have been too ignorant to realize is the fact that if Bush "lied", so did Clinton!

132 posted on 03/13/2005 9:45:59 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: MisterRepublican
So even the Old York Times is ready to say President George W Bush was absolutely Right to go to War in Iraq!! What next Mike the Mooreon admitting he was wrong about Fraudulent 911??

Pray for W and Our Troops

133 posted on 03/13/2005 9:48:21 AM PST by bray (Iraq has political Freedom, now Pray for Religious Freedom)
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To: MisterRepublican
"The United Nations, worried that the material could be used in clandestine bomb production, has been hunting for it, largely unsuccessfully, across the Middle East. In one case, investigators searching through scrap yards in Jordan last June found specialized vats for highly corrosive chemicals that had been tagged and monitored as part of the international effort to keep watch on the Iraqi arms program. The vessels could be used for harmless industrial processes or for making chemical weapons."

So the UN knew there was missing material from Iraq? Huh? I thought there never was any material.

134 posted on 03/13/2005 9:50:34 AM PST by The Westerner
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To: Dog
NY Times has done Bush a huge favor today whether they know it or not. They have just laid the groundwork for a future military operation to go get those missing WMD.

I agree on the go-light to "collect" Iraq's missing WMDs wherever they may be.

135 posted on 03/13/2005 9:51:09 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: jriemer

yes, you are correct.

i read today's print nyt and thought the same thing as you, i.e., that they're shifting the argument now to incompetence.

indirectly it's a criticism of rumsfeld and his doctrine for "not putting enough troops on the ground", as kerry said.

what burns me most is how the television stations etch one or two stupid ideas into the couch and recliner set.

most of this country's easy to indoctrinate: they're intoxicated by tv, alcohol, food, drugs, shopping, sports, hollywood, etc.


136 posted on 03/13/2005 9:53:28 AM PST by ken21 ( today's luxury development. tomorrow's slum.)
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To: norton
"Interesting 'foot n the door' alert:"

You've hit it on the head, as the "This is not a story!" posters on this thread can't seem to get through their skulls. Maybe they're too busy posting their 27th "You've all got it wrong!" posts to actually think this through .

Look at the STORY--not just the slant (which those posters can't seem to get around), and not at NewsMax's slant, either.

This is the MSM trying to push another anti-Bush story from another angle. In doing so, they had to look in-depth at the Iraqi WMD MANUFACTURING potential.

Is this about finding WMD? Nope. But those here trying to say this is nothing at all are so intent on being the spectres at the table they're not seeing the larger story, which is that even the MSM are beginning their anti-Bush rants with "Of COURSE Saddam had the potential to build WMD," something they haven't been saying as they've been too busy telling us Iraq had no capability or plans to build WMD.

137 posted on 03/13/2005 9:55:50 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Condi for President, Darkwolf377 for First Gentleman in '08!)
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To: MisterRepublican

Well it's OK to say it now with the election over and Hillary trying to be a moderate.


138 posted on 03/13/2005 10:01:04 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: MisterRepublican

There is a concerted effort behind all these "new revelations".

Hillary is trying to hitch her wagon to the middle eastern bandwagon. She's going to run in 08 and will point to 4 YEARS of support for the budding democracy in Iraq. She will paint her solutions as common with repubilican but better in order to convince enough of the middle that voted Kerry off in 04.

I guarantee you that word has gone out at the very highest levels to stop the anti-troop, anti-war, anti-Bush rhetoric. This will allow Hillary to be dead on message come 08. The tide has already changed and since dems are incapable of forcing a loss in Iraq, they're going to push a win and claimed it was their doing.

Hillary will have bedazzled enough people by 08 that she will become president unless a very strong candidate emerges. It will be a dark day and we will slide headlong into pure socialism. It's frigtening.


139 posted on 03/13/2005 10:02:28 AM PST by Malsua
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To: MisterRepublican

If I may amend for future, archival searches:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/international/middleeast/13loot.html?ex=1111294800&en=2908f890e8beb814&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY

Looting at Weapons Plants Was Systematic, Iraqi Says
By JAMES GLANZ and WILLIAM J. BROAD

Published: March 13, 2005


140 posted on 03/13/2005 10:04:27 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: MisterRepublican

The dogs at the NYT can now recycle their "Where's the WMD?" stories, change a few words, then the story will be "Why hasn't Bush accounted for the known WMD?"

Good grief, this is tedious.


141 posted on 03/13/2005 10:10:15 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: MisterRepublican
This can't be. Liberals around the world have assured us that the UN didn't know a darn thing about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Liberals are so brainy.

142 posted on 03/13/2005 10:16:09 AM PST by Reactionary
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To: gogogodzilla

OK....I'll save my $$$'s and use the Washington Compost as a kitty poop box liner...


143 posted on 03/13/2005 10:17:17 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: italianquaker

Agreed, when the meme is the simple-minded two words: Bush Lied", this provides the counter argument.


144 posted on 03/13/2005 10:18:19 AM PST by gogipper
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To: bitt

NYTimes must have something up it's sleeve......I'm sure SOMEHOW this will turn into the President's fault and they'll do 28 page 1 stories on what, when, who, where the President knew.....


145 posted on 03/13/2005 10:28:32 AM PST by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: MisterRepublican

I think I'm seeing flying pigs.


146 posted on 03/13/2005 10:43:26 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: 4integrity
it has been established that this was an irrelevant and unnecessary reason for this regieme change.

why beat a dead horse?

p.s.

(not directed to you, personally.)

147 posted on 03/13/2005 10:44:07 AM PST by dadokane (Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. HATE OK.)
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To: MisterRepublican
Is it April 1st already?
148 posted on 03/13/2005 10:46:02 AM PST by ml1954
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To: MisterRepublican

I think most of us knew there were WMD, the scary part is where are they?


149 posted on 03/13/2005 10:48:35 AM PST by Burlem
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To: MisterRepublican

So....lets see, the presidential election is over and the guy the NYT was trying to get elected lost........I guess they no longer felt the need to keep on lying, it served no purpose.


150 posted on 03/13/2005 11:04:17 AM PST by Lady Heron
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