Skip to comments.NY Times: Iraq Had WMD 'Stockpiles' in 2003
Posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican
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If it was such a big deal then where is fox news?
Non story.. that's why.
Interesting 'foot n the door' alert:
They couldn't mention the possibility - until an elected and US supported government was in place and then it's suddenly of great concern.
The new government is expected not only to go find the stuff but to do it because "the missing stockpiles (are) still ostensibly under the agency's supervision".
Good points and I'm glad someone made them...there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on this WMD issue and partisans on BOTH 'sides' seem to be deliberately 'spinning' these issues to EXPLOIT people's [especially the ignorant masses'] preconceptions or misconceptions; a lot of 'Lets not confuzzle the rubes with FACTS!' going on...-sigh-
WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THE WMD ALL ALONG (AND NOW THE MSM EATS THE BIG CROW) - ping.
Hollywood Elites Duck Iraq War Debate
By Jeff Gannon
March 11, 2003
WASHINGTON (GOPUSA News) -- Ten of Hollywood's loudest "anti-war" activists were recently invited to debate public policy and military experts about a war in Iraq, but none of them showed up. Frontiers of Freedom (FOF), a non-profit think tank, sponsored the event at the National Press Club. Invited to appear were George Clooney, Matt Damon, Mike Farrell, Janeane Garofolo, Ethan Hawke, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Martin Sheen, Barbra Streisand, and Uma Thurman.
"Six weeks ago we sent an open-ended invitation to these celebrities to appear at a fair and honest debate," said Jason Wright, Vice President of FOF.
"Most never responded at all -- those that did said no. It's one thing to exercise free speech, which we fully support, but when you command attention as they do it is shameful to rattle off inaccuracies and traditional liberal tripe then quickly bury your head in the sand when faced with opposition. In fact, it's shameful," Wright said.
FOF president George Landrith added that Hollywood claims war is never the answer, regardless of the threat. "To those who ask why we're picking on Hollywood, it's simple. They have power and influence on culture but no accountability. They are in a unique position to spout off whatever they like without a challenge. Hollywood stars have no expertise and no sense of history. They regurgitate talking points without a care," Landrith said.
Landrith continued, "As to the issue of Saddam himself, it's not that complicated. The only reason he is feigning cooperation and allowing the inspectors to return is that he does not want the U.S. armed forces to return."
Bob Bevelacqua, former U.S. Army Major and defense consultant, expressed disappointment that Hollywood was not represented at the debate. "I hoped to share with them details of a video I was shown recently in a high-level briefing at the Pentagon," Bevelacqua said.
"I've seen some pretty disgusting things but what I just saw in this video, which I hope will soon be made public, was shocking. Saddam uses rape rooms, keeps prep rooms for the rapists to prepare themselves, even tapes and then edits them to be sent to the families of the raped women. I would like to hear what Hollywood says about that. Bombs, nerve agents, and canisters are one thing, but when you attach faces, it's another story. Is action in Iraq just? It is absolutely just, and the time is now," Bevelacqua said.
Retired U.S. Navy Capt. Chuck Nash compared the situation in Iraq to a disease. "We have been treating this disease with over-the-counter measures. We must make a commitment to stop fighting the disease from afar. We must go to the center, and we must stop fighting the symptoms."
On the issue of human shields, Nash added that most of the young people have left Baghdad, determined not to put their lives at risk. "But over 300,000 other young men and women are in the area," he said. "They are courageously standing, honoring their commitment. United we should and must stand."
"There are a few great 'Hollywood Lies'," concluded Peter Hussey, a veteran of three administrations and a respected defense consultant. "One is that inspections work. Mike Farrell likes to say that the job of inspectors is to go and hunt for these weapons of mass destruction. Yet the latest United Nations resolutions call for Iraq to come clean without digging by the team of Hans Blix. They are not detectives."
"Another lie is Mike Farrell claiming that Iraq is not a threat. How can this be? Recently Saddam gave an interview revealing his goal to rule the region, dominate Israel, and get revenge on the U.S. for the Gulf War. This is not a threat? Look, if we are wrong this time it will be far worse than Kuwait, we will have terrorism with global reach. We must end the threat today," Hussey said.
FOX News is owned by an avowed liberal - FYI.
Bingo, leave it in the hands of the good bad one, Saddam.
What page was this on? Section D, page 99?
Thanks for the ping!
Now that the "Paper of Record" < gag > is on board we might not have to wait for 14 UN resolutions before we strike.
And Bill O'Reilly is a conservative. And Michael Moore votes Republican.
How would that SOB Dan Rather report THIS STORY!?
Rerun the September 8, 2004 piece in 60 Minutes, or something like that.
Bookmarking your post Sir...
ya gotta watch it with newsmax: the NYT did no such thing.
"FOX News is owned by an avowed liberal - FYI."
Murdoch Builds China Home
NewsMax ^ | 12/21/04 | Carl Limbacher
Australian-born media magnate Rupert Murdoch is building a home near the Forbidden City in Beijing.
The News Corporation executive chairman was building the house on property he bought in the Chinese capital's political and diplomatic area, Britain's Daily Telegraph website said Tuesday.
Quoting Hong Kong's South China Morning Post, a paper once owned by the media mogul, it said Murdoch is building a large house in the siheyuan courtyard style, deemed to embody Confucian thought.
The 21,000 square feet home will have two stories underground and will be built from traditional grey bricks and roof tiles, including some from a former house on the site.
Mr Murdoch is also in the process of buying a new residence in New York's Fifth Ave. He reportedly paid $44 million for the posh 4000 square feet pad.
They'll be eating crow pie for a long time over at the NYT.
"I find it amazing the Iraqis had the focus to gut those facilities in the midst of being attacked - but they did"
And, they may have had some help from the Rooskies..
look, I suspect something along those lines, too, but NewsMax has (once again) played fast and loose with the facts in its article: The NYT made no such admission, it made NO SUCH "dramatic about-face".
I hope that in the fullness of time the facts will force the Slimes to eat a hogshead of crow, but we ain't there yet, and this NewsMax article does nothing but fool some of us into thinking we ARE.
We'd look like ASSES if we went into debate armed only with NewsMax spin.
#121 - Ruskies.
NewsMax does get ahead of the facts at times, I agree.
Still, this is a major admission for the NYT when just a little over a year ago they had to fire one of their own (or was it two) reporters for lying in the other direction.
#118 and #119 - great info on why things in the media are the way things are in the media (FOXNEWS) - ping.
Australian-born media magnate Rupert Murdoch is building a home near the Forbidden City in Beijing.
The (FOX) News Corporation executive chairman was building the house on property he bought in the Chinese capital's political and diplomatic area, Britain's Daily Telegraph website said Tuesday.
Perhaps this is an attempt to get out on the right side of the WMD issue before Iraq's stockpile is discovered in another country. They might still have some time before that occurs so that they can prep the sheeple for the "new message" and movie the expectation goal posts on the GWB administration.
I see the Left's false arguement shifting from "Bush lied about WMD" to "Bush lost Iraq's WMD" as events unfold. The "new message" shifts the focus from Bush's and Republican's honesty to competency. It also plays right into Hillary!s shift towards homeland defense, military, and immigration issues. The slogan "It's the economy, stupid" in 1992 was all about competency and "Bush lost Iraq's WMD" is the post-911 equivalent.
At least that's how the NYT is trying to spin it. See my post #126
I don't know about the subplots with Hillary and how this helps her in '08....but the NY Times has done Bush a huge favor today whether they know it or not. They have just laid the groundwork for a future military operation to go get those missing WMD.
NYT is much too expensive for a kitty box liner.
Try the Washington Post, its only a quarter.
The key factor is "lied". I quoted the above from our president --- in 2/98. What these media/political pinheads have been too ignorant to realize is the fact that if Bush "lied", so did Clinton!
Pray for W and Our Troops
So the UN knew there was missing material from Iraq? Huh? I thought there never was any material.
I agree on the go-light to "collect" Iraq's missing WMDs wherever they may be.
yes, you are correct.
i read today's print nyt and thought the same thing as you, i.e., that they're shifting the argument now to incompetence.
indirectly it's a criticism of rumsfeld and his doctrine for "not putting enough troops on the ground", as kerry said.
what burns me most is how the television stations etch one or two stupid ideas into the couch and recliner set.
most of this country's easy to indoctrinate: they're intoxicated by tv, alcohol, food, drugs, shopping, sports, hollywood, etc.
You've hit it on the head, as the "This is not a story!" posters on this thread can't seem to get through their skulls. Maybe they're too busy posting their 27th "You've all got it wrong!" posts to actually think this through .
Look at the STORY--not just the slant (which those posters can't seem to get around), and not at NewsMax's slant, either.
This is the MSM trying to push another anti-Bush story from another angle. In doing so, they had to look in-depth at the Iraqi WMD MANUFACTURING potential.
Is this about finding WMD? Nope. But those here trying to say this is nothing at all are so intent on being the spectres at the table they're not seeing the larger story, which is that even the MSM are beginning their anti-Bush rants with "Of COURSE Saddam had the potential to build WMD," something they haven't been saying as they've been too busy telling us Iraq had no capability or plans to build WMD.
Well it's OK to say it now with the election over and Hillary trying to be a moderate.
There is a concerted effort behind all these "new revelations".
Hillary is trying to hitch her wagon to the middle eastern bandwagon. She's going to run in 08 and will point to 4 YEARS of support for the budding democracy in Iraq. She will paint her solutions as common with repubilican but better in order to convince enough of the middle that voted Kerry off in 04.
I guarantee you that word has gone out at the very highest levels to stop the anti-troop, anti-war, anti-Bush rhetoric. This will allow Hillary to be dead on message come 08. The tide has already changed and since dems are incapable of forcing a loss in Iraq, they're going to push a win and claimed it was their doing.
Hillary will have bedazzled enough people by 08 that she will become president unless a very strong candidate emerges. It will be a dark day and we will slide headlong into pure socialism. It's frigtening.
If I may amend for future, archival searches:
Looting at Weapons Plants Was Systematic, Iraqi Says
By JAMES GLANZ and WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: March 13, 2005
The dogs at the NYT can now recycle their "Where's the WMD?" stories, change a few words, then the story will be "Why hasn't Bush accounted for the known WMD?"
Good grief, this is tedious.
Liberals are so brainy.
OK....I'll save my $$$'s and use the Washington Compost as a kitty poop box liner...
Agreed, when the meme is the simple-minded two words: Bush Lied", this provides the counter argument.
NYTimes must have something up it's sleeve......I'm sure SOMEHOW this will turn into the President's fault and they'll do 28 page 1 stories on what, when, who, where the President knew.....
I think I'm seeing flying pigs.
why beat a dead horse?
(not directed to you, personally.)
I think most of us knew there were WMD, the scary part is where are they?
So....lets see, the presidential election is over and the guy the NYT was trying to get elected lost........I guess they no longer felt the need to keep on lying, it served no purpose.
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