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NY Times: Iraq Had WMD 'Stockpiles' in 2003
News Max ^ | March 13, 2005 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/13/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican

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To: Samwise

"The Bush Lied strategy failed, so let's switch to Bush let stockpiles get away."

Yep, that's about the size of that.


51 posted on 03/13/2005 7:49:47 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: MisterRepublican
Wait.  Let me get this straight ... the NY TIMES said this?

Has anyone noticed a sudden turn of the MSM towards Bush lately?  How he MAY have been right and that his policies ARE working?  How they may have actually been wrong?

What's up with this?

52 posted on 03/13/2005 7:50:03 AM PST by usgator
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To: Grut

Ok....sigh...I'm awake, now. Sadly, thanks.


53 posted on 03/13/2005 7:50:24 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: MisterRepublican
The Grey Lady is starting to remind me of Linda Blair's head-spinning character in The Exorcist.
54 posted on 03/13/2005 7:51:08 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: usgator
Has anyone noticed a sudden turn of the MSM towards Bush lately?

If you bothered to read the actual article you might notice it's embarassing to the Bush administration.

55 posted on 03/13/2005 7:51:45 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: MisterRepublican

I'm looking for the word "scrappleface" here somewhere...


56 posted on 03/13/2005 7:52:07 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: usgator

"The threat posed by these types of facilities was cited by the Bush administration as a reason for invading Iraq, but the installations were left largely unguarded by allied forces in the chaotic months after the invasion. "


57 posted on 03/13/2005 7:52:23 AM PST by EBH (And the Wall came tumblin' down...)
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To: MisterRepublican

"NY Times: Iraq Had WMD 'Stockpiles' in 2003"

'bout time. That partisan rag could have released this story BEFORE the last election cycle...but I guess that would have been no fun for Kerry and Dean and Letterman and Leno and SNL all those ill-informed protesters that filled the streets of LA and NY and SF and London and ... AAAAAAAARrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


58 posted on 03/13/2005 7:52:58 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Grateful Heart Tour 2005)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Anyone have a link to the NY Times story. I'd like to have that to rub some people's faces in it.

Me too. Since according to Dante, I'm gonna be on the 5th level because I'm wrathful. I'm ready to open up a can of wrathful on some yahoo's.

59 posted on 03/13/2005 7:53:01 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: MisterRepublican

is this from the Onion???


60 posted on 03/13/2005 7:53:20 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Strategerist
I didn't say it wasn't.  And I did, so please don't tell me what I should bother to read.  I asked a question, if you don't want to answer it ... don't ... easiest thing you'll do all day.
61 posted on 03/13/2005 7:54:19 AM PST by usgator
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To: Liberty Valance

and by the way Janeane Garafalo can kiss my @ss and call it a love story.


62 posted on 03/13/2005 7:55:16 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Grateful Heart Tour 2005)
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To: MisterRepublican
Russian Spetsnaz Moved Iraq WMD
63 posted on 03/13/2005 7:58:03 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: speedy; MisterRepublican; cardinal4; ErnBatavia; wouldntbprudent; Noachian
The Times would spin this story differently.

The Times IS spinning this story differently.

Their story is not about the facts presented by News Max, namely that there WERE WMD, banned materials, a well funded and equipped nuclear program, stockpiles of chemicals, etc.

No. The Times story is about the FAILURE of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION to secure these items (which the Times has been insisting were never there).

This isn't proof that WMDs were present and the Times was wrong. Oh no. That's old news. They've moved on from that. This is proof that the war was run incompetently.

If AlGore or J F'n Kerry or the oh so perfect Kofi were in charge they would have found the WMD and secured them.

It's all Bush's fault!

64 posted on 03/13/2005 7:59:40 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: MisterRepublican; Southack; mhking; jwalsh07; Poohbah
The Newsmax.com article doesn't give the link from the NYT, but I believe that this is it: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/international/middleeast/13loot.html?hp&ex=1110776400&en=e7534dd977e6dc08&ei=5094&partner=homepage.


65 posted on 03/13/2005 8:00:07 AM PST by rdb3 (I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice.)
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To: EBH

"The threat posed by these types of facilities was cited by the Bush administration as a reason for invading Iraq, but the installations were left largely unguarded by allied forces in the chaotic months after the invasion. "

Yeah, that's the key statement as far as the Slimes intent. Nevertheless, it still is an admittance of WMD though it's source is only the one Iraqi official, Sami al-Araji, deputy minister of industry.


66 posted on 03/13/2005 8:00:37 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: EBH
Yes, the article does go into an anti-Bush rant (again) but what is the one thing that people read?  The headline and most won't bother to read the rest ... especially those who hate Bush and it looks like it praises him or in any way makes him look good.
67 posted on 03/13/2005 8:03:53 AM PST by usgator
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To: Howlin; Ernest_at_the_Beach; MeekOneGOP; Dog

Thought you might want to see this.


68 posted on 03/13/2005 8:03:53 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: MisterRepublican

WOW!!!


69 posted on 03/13/2005 8:04:08 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: MisterRepublican

Weeellllll Now.........


70 posted on 03/13/2005 8:05:02 AM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: SeaBiscuit
it still is an admittance of WMD

Exactly, it kills the "bush lied ... people died" chant that's been going on since the beginning.

71 posted on 03/13/2005 8:06:28 AM PST by usgator
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To: Phsstpok

Ah, yes, the "Bush let tons of explosives get away" story that was released the week before the election..


72 posted on 03/13/2005 8:06:56 AM PST by cardinal4 (George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
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To: Phsstpok
No. The Times story is about the FAILURE of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION to secure these items (which the Times has been insisting were never there).

The Times has never insisted that UN-monitored WMD-related (NOT actual "WMDs") facilities and equipment were never there.

The fundamental cause of confusion in a billion "WMD" threads has been this issue of stuff Iraq was actually ALLOWED to have.

A lot of "Dual use" stuff; chemical equipment used to make regular industrial chemicals, but COULD be used to make WMDs; also, a lot of equipment at their nuclear facility, wasn't destroyed, but sealed and monitored by the IAEA.

Iraq was never required to destroy them; instead, they were regularly inspected by the UN.

That this stuff existed isn't breaking news, and there are zillions of articles from before GW II describing them in detail.

None of these materials potentially violated UN sanctions and were openly declared and acknowledged by the Iraqis.

One problem with the NYT article is that it assumes the reader, to a degree, is aware of the above. However, many people on FR, and, apparently, Newsmax, is not.

Also people seem to be confusing "looted after Baghdad fell" with "Shipped out of Iraq before the war by Saddam."

74 posted on 03/13/2005 8:07:37 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: MisterRepublican
N.Y. Slimes In a stunning about-face....

Why do I get the picture of a dog smelling his butt?
75 posted on 03/13/2005 8:08:19 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Strategerist

I dont know sounds pretty convincing to me that the Bush Lied phrase from the NYSlimes is out the window heh


76 posted on 03/13/2005 8:08:25 AM PST by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE BUSH=MANDATE)
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To: 1john2 3and4
The weapons left through Syria, per Israeli intel, I believe.

The DemoKrauts can SAY "Bush Lies", but they sure can't back it up.

DemoKrauts are the party of Sore Losers, man!


77 posted on 03/13/2005 8:08:42 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MisterRepublican
The election is over, let the truth leak out now that nobody seems to care anymore. Sooner or later the sheeple would find out the truth... 50 years from now the record will show that the NY Times did report it. Ho hum.

Change the story. Bush let the WMDs get away!

78 posted on 03/13/2005 8:09:28 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: MisterRepublican; doug from upland

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Remember how...


HILLARY RODHAM
BILL CLINTON
JOHN KERRY
TED KENNEDY


...kept telling us to deal with North Korea first, not Iraq, and to go-go-go to the UN for Invasion approval, adding several months for SADDAM to get his bad stuff out of country?


The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

.


79 posted on 03/13/2005 8:09:50 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: cardinal4
"Bush let tons of explosives get away"

Yes, but no one seemed to care, it just sort of laid there and died a meaningless death.

The "dis-information" of the press will slowly fall apart ... we are talking baby steps here, the admittance of Iraqi WMD is only the first step ... more will follow.

80 posted on 03/13/2005 8:10:29 AM PST by usgator
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To: bitt; MisterRepublican
The threat posed by these types of facilities was cited by the Bush administration as a reason for invading Iraq, but the installations were left largely unguarded by allied forces in the chaotic months after the invasion.

I believe the NYT's underlying purpose for this article -- to once again blame the President -- can be found in this paragraph.

81 posted on 03/13/2005 8:12:38 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: pbrown

See posts 34 and 64. This is not as pro Bush as made out to be.


82 posted on 03/13/2005 8:13:30 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Ann Coulter for Cornell Trustee:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344035/posts)
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To: Strategerist
"Wasn't supposed to have?" Actually Iraq was permitted to have a lot of "nuclear related" materials, including the tons of yellowcake, etc.

True. A lot. But not everything they had.

The IAEA allowed Iraq to retain some unranium at al Tuwaitha - although it's not clear to me they knew Saddam had 500 tons. But Saddam wasn't supposed to have the equipment to enrich it. That's why he ordered his nuke physicist, Dr. Mahdi Obeidi, to bury centrifuge parts in his backyard.

Under the subhead "Losses at Enrichment Site," The Times story also notes that "a manufacturing plant for the uranium enrichment program" had also been looted, and that "The kinds of machinery at the various sites included equipment that could be used to make missile parts, chemical weapons or centrifuges essential for enriching uranium for atom bombs."

If indeed Saddam was permitted to have that stuff, then that's the real scandal. But I doubt he was permitted.

The problem for the Times is, they're sounding the alarm now that all this material has gone missing. In doing so, they're either admitting that Saddam posed a serious WMD threat, or asking the reader to believe that the world was better off when Saddam himself had control of his nuke bombmaking materials.

83 posted on 03/13/2005 8:13:37 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax
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To: MeekOneGOP

no wonder the Syrians are willing to pull out of Lebanon, just up to the Bekka Valley...


84 posted on 03/13/2005 8:14:06 AM PST by bitt ("Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,")
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To: MisterRepublican
The New York Times article

And from the article:

The threat posed by these types of facilities was cited by the Bush administration as a reason for invading Iraq, but the installations were left largely unguarded by allied forces in the chaotic months after the invasion...
...Satellite imagery analyzed by two United Nations groups - the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, or Unmovic - confirms that some of the sites identified by Dr. Araji appear to be totally or partly stripped, senior officials at those agencies said. Those officials said they could not comment on all of Dr. Araji's assertions, because the groups had been barred from Iraq since the invasion...
...American military officials in Baghdad did not respond to repeated requests for comment on the findings. But American officials have said in the past that while they were aware of the importance of some of the installations, there was not enough military personnel to guard all of them during and after the invasion. White House officials, apprised of the Iraqi account by The New York Times, said it was already well known that many weapons sites had been looted. They had no other comment...
...Before the invasion, the United Nations was monitoring those kinds of sites.

What was more important than preventing nuclear proliferation?

85 posted on 03/13/2005 8:15:47 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: MisterRepublican

What a blow to the credibility of the left-wing scum. We win again (what else is new).


86 posted on 03/13/2005 8:16:23 AM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: RottiBiz
I believe the NYT's underlying purpose for this article -- to once again blame the President -- can be found in this paragraph.

You got that right. They may as well be saying..."OK Bush didn't lie, he just mucked things up really, really bad."

Of course, it could have been the Ruskies, carting it off to Syria, or Iran.

87 posted on 03/13/2005 8:16:30 AM PST by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Where did Saddam get the IAEA "authorized" uranium? Certainly not Niger! Joe Wilson, the pinnacle of integrity and objectivity told us so!


88 posted on 03/13/2005 8:16:43 AM PST by cardinal4 (George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
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To: SolidRedState

"Of course, it could have been the Ruskies, carting it off to Syria, or Iran."

That's the one I'd go with.


89 posted on 03/13/2005 8:18:13 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Strategerist
Agreed.

I'd be more skeptical as it's one source for this information, it's the Times, and well....

"if something bad happens in the future, it'll be the US fault for mismanaging the war, gads according to the Times they were in there with cranes moving stuff, how could the US miss this?"

Here we go again...first missing weapons and now missing WMD materials...they're going to have a field day with this.
90 posted on 03/13/2005 8:18:26 AM PST by EBH (And the Wall came tumblin' down...)
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To: MisterRepublican
weapons, which was removed to "a neighboring state" before the U.S. could secure the weapons sites.

M.S.M. "it's all Bush's fault, why didn't he secure these weapons sites first?'

91 posted on 03/13/2005 8:19:25 AM PST by The Turbanator
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To: cardinal4
Where did Saddam get the IAEA "authorized" uranium? Certainly not Niger! Joe Wilson, the pinnacle of integrity and objectivity told us so!

Ha, ha, Joe Wilson, ha!


92 posted on 03/13/2005 8:19:30 AM PST by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: SeaBiscuit
"Of course, it could have been the Ruskies, carting it off to Syria, or Iran." That's the one I'd go with.

Maybe both?

93 posted on 03/13/2005 8:23:35 AM PST by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: RottiBiz
Exactly...It's now convenient for the bastards to say this. Before, they knew they were already gone but, chose to use the "NO WMD's" theme for their campaign against the president.
94 posted on 03/13/2005 8:24:21 AM PST by hope
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I went back and read them and hit the link as well. They tried that dog and pony show once before about Bush letting it all get out of Iraq. It wouldn't fly then, it won't fly now.

Americans are finally getting hip to the game the MSM are playing and turning a deaf ear to them. Hence, the reason for all the Red states.

This is an admittance that WMD's were indeed in Iraq, and no amount of spinning from the left will be able to change that fact. They are attempting to fool some with a smoke and mirror game. Only the blue states will fall for it. They are the same people who think Bush put small nuclear bombs beneath the twin towers.

They are fighting for their survival now and they know it. As far as the MSM is concerned to me, ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

95 posted on 03/13/2005 8:29:51 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: MisterRepublican
NO FAIR!!!

I (we) broke this story LONG ago.

Debka reported on it AS IT HAPPENED.

ALL detailed HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1335591/posts
96 posted on 03/13/2005 8:35:01 AM PST by FreedomNeocon ( though)
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To: FreedomNeocon
From MAY 2003

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Powell Confronts, Assad Prevaricates
May 4th, 2003

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=482

Syria is reported by DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources as having secretly disposed of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction by moving them into eastern Lebanon for burial in the Beqaa Valley. Iraq’s biological weapons may be there too. They were interred deep under the heroin poppy and cotton fields in two of the most fertile regions of Lebanon: the valley stretching between Jabal Akroum, the town of al Qbayyat and the Syrian border, and the land lying between the towns of Al Hirmil and al Labwah between the Orontes River and the Syrian frontier.

On February 14, about a month before the start of the war in Iraq, DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue 97 ran an article captioned “Is Iraq’s WMD cache in Lebanon available to Al Qaeda?”

Now, our intelligence sources can disclose exclusively that the relocation of Iraq’s WMD systems took place between January 10 and March 10 and was completed just 10 days before the US-led offensive was launched against Iraq. The banned arsenal, hauled in giant tankers from Iraq to Syria and from there to the Bekaa Valley under Syrian special forces and military intelligence escort, was discharged into pits 6-8 meters across and 25-35 meters deep dug by Syrian army engineers. They were sealed and planted over with new seedlings. Nonetheless, their location is known and detectable with the right instruments. Our sources have learned that Syria was paid about $35 million to make Saddam Hussein’s forbidden weapons disappear.

Before US secretary of state Colin Powell arrived in Damascus on Saturday, May 3, the Syrians made the placatory gesture to Washington of speeding and upgrading the handover of Iraqi fugitives from the Saddam regime sheltering in Syria

DEBKA-Net-Weekly has learned from its most exclusive sources that on Monday, April 28, Dr. RihabTaha, a microbiologist known as Dr. Germ, was turned over to the Americans in Iraq. She had directed Iraq’s biological weapons program. Also turned over was Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash, who headed Iraq’s anthrax project. No announcement was made of their capture. However, the surrender 24 hours later of Taha’s husband, General Amir Muhammed Rasheed, director of Iraq’s missile development program and best known by his nickname “The Missile Man”, was announced.

The United States is therefore fully apprised of the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein’s arsenal of unconventional weapons and has taken custody of the scientists who developed them.

But DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s sources say Washington was nevertheless far from placated and Powell’s meeting with the Syrian president Saturday was a confrontation. The secretary of state laid down the following demands:

1. A map with the coordinates of the pits holding Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

2. Surrender of Saddam’s most senior insiders who fled to Aleppo and Latakiya. After DEBKAfile blew the whistle on April 3, the group staying at the Cote D’Azur De Cham Resort in Latakia was whisked away leaving their families comfortably ensconced there.

3. Handover of the two senior Al Qaeda members now in Damascus. DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military and intelligence sources say their names and whereabouts were uncovered by US intelligence units in Iraq.

4. An explanation of Syrian motives in allowing two British terrorists, Assif Hanif, who blew himself up in Tel Aviv on April 30, and Omar Khan Sharif, who ran away, to transit Damascus en route to Israel. (One of the duo spent four months of preparation in the Syrian capital with the Hamas operations officer and associate of Hizballah Imad al-Alami, as reported exclusively by DEBKAfile.)

5. An immediate stop to the military-terrorist activities of the Lebanese Hizballah and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Syria and Lebanon. Failure to do so, Powell explained, will result in a painful tightening of economic pressure on Syria, after the loss of $1b in oil revenues from Baghdad.

Powell suggested that Assad invite Abu Mazen, the new Palestinian prime minister, to Damascus. This step would further underline Yasser Arafat’s state of isolation in view of his never having been received in Damascus. It could lead to an invitation from the Bush administration to invite the leaders of Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq’s new regime and the Palestinians to a regional conference that would set the stage for Syrian and Palestinian peace negotiations with Israel.

Powell told Assad bluntly to choose between confrontation and negotiations.

At the same time, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s Middle East experts stress that Powell’s stance was tough yet exploratory. The Bush administration is still in option-weighing mode, pondering how best to proceed in the post Iraq war era to achieve its two main objectives: One is to advance America’s long-range strategic goals in the Middle East. The second is to get Bush re-elected as President in November 2004.
97 posted on 03/13/2005 8:37:31 AM PST by FreedomNeocon ( though)
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To: SeaBiscuit; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; devolve; yall
bump!

98 posted on 03/13/2005 8:38:08 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: bitt
Just wait. By Bush's mandate to be OUT of Lebanon by May,
they will OUT by May, I betcha! :^D

99 posted on 03/13/2005 8:42:55 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: JoeV1

I think that certain people at the NYT have known all along where the Iraq WMDs are at. Now that the WMDs are about to come to light they are hurrying to tear down what will be a great success by Bush. The WMDs are in Syrian hands but not in Syria.


100 posted on 03/13/2005 8:43:40 AM PST by Modok
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