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To: LS
[ First, this isn't the solution. Ending tenure would not, in any way, "reform" the universities to be more honest, reliable, etc., because the faculty still control the hiring. ]

Wrong...
Tenure flys in the face of capitalism, thats why there IS tenure.. Its like a Super Union.. Enabling the same dialectic just like unions do.. Commies love unions for just that reason.. Its feeds their Utopian concepts.. Did I say SUPER UNION.. AH! yes I did..

The same mangement or management sorry, will probably perform the same way, true. But light THIS situation is muted by many other world affairs.. Tenure is at the base of America problems.. especially collegiate problems.. If your pro-union then you will be pro-tenure.. for the same reasons.. If you are anti-union, like me, you MUST be anti-tenure.. Lets call a spade a spade..

Like you almost CAN'T fire a federal worker.. because of the Federal Workers Party Union.. for damned near anything.. same thing.. The American Teachers Union(s) are a POX on the American education system.. Tenure.. same thing..

The basic idea of tenure rewards incompetence not excellence.. as fleeting as excellence is.. A job for life rewards laziness, like socialism does.. Socialism is slavery by givernment... and Tenure is slavery too incompetence..

There was a time for Unions, now is not that time.. especially of Super Unions.. Reforming the University's will happen gradually AFTER tenure is trashed. BUT not until then.. Since America slowly eroding to socialism the chances of that happening is not great..

19 posted on 03/13/2005 11:24:08 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
You can rant all you want, and I wouldn't be opposed to ending tenure. But Richard Vedder, a conservative who has written "Going Broke by Degree," discounts any substantial gain to the capitalist aspects of universities caused by tenure. Now, if you have data or facts, I'd like to hear them. But the #1 factor in driving up college costs is not tenure (because faculty only get about 3% of all cost increases, while administration gets about 30% and buildings about 30%), but student aid. That is where reform must start.

You still appear to be clueless about the hiring process, which will in no way be affected by the end of tenure, becuase universities are NOT concerned with price or effectiveness. If they were, removing tenure might (and I still underscore MIGHT) make a difference. But I know some VERY conservative schools with tenure, and it didn't affect their price structure.

Now, explain to me again how even without tenure, the liberal faculty who sit on all the search committees and report to the liberal administrators have an incentive to a) keep and b) hire new conservative faculty?

22 posted on 03/13/2005 12:42:11 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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