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Was the fatwa issued on Osama bin Laden Al-Takeyya in action?

The author of this article seems to think so.

1 posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:07 PM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: jan in Colorado

Muslims Lie! Whoda thunkit?

2 posted on 03/13/2005 1:15:57 PM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: jan in Colorado; All
For me, 9-11 was the breakpoint.

It was the one, defining moment for the alleged "moderate" Muslims to step forward and denounce- fiercely, loudly, and in no uncertain terms- their radical bretheren.

Their silence was deafening.

Their silence was enabling.

Their silence was complicity, and collusion.

I wash my hands of them.

I am so deadly serious about this:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you aren't informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

3 posted on 03/13/2005 1:21:26 PM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: jan in Colorado
Camel cakes!


Was the fatwa issued on Osama bin Laden Al-Takeyya in action?

Just from past history, I'm inclined to say yeah, it's a bunch of camel cakes.


4 posted on 03/13/2005 1:22:03 PM PST by nothingnew (There are two kinds of people; Decent and indecent.)
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To: USF; Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; Former Dodger; swordfish71; ariamne; appalachian_dweller; ...
Osama Bin Laden fatwa a lie ping!
5 posted on 03/13/2005 1:28:20 PM PST by jan in Colorado (The ACLU and CAIR ...Enemies from within!)
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To: knighthawk; AmericanArchConservative; TexasCowboy


6 posted on 03/13/2005 1:30:08 PM PST by moonpie57 (Fred Howell McMurray, Jr...The man on my POW bracelet)
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To: jan in Colorado

Self appointed Imams, empowered to lie, who can issue murderous fatwas, interpreting a religion written in a vague language, assembled in conflicting helter-skelter verses.

Discussions are useless. Islam is a dangerous cult and should be banned from civilized societies.

7 posted on 03/13/2005 1:36:09 PM PST by Hudobna
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To: jan in Colorado


12 posted on 03/13/2005 4:44:12 PM PST by Bennett46
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To: jan in Colorado
See: Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism

Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms:  taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one’s convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...  

Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.

The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to  pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.

Taqiyya is common to both Shiite and Sunni Muslim discourse and has significant implications for understanding Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist operations. The theory and practice of counter terrorism would be counter productive, indeed pointless, and even harmful, without reference to taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of deception ranging from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training manuals, which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception by terrorists in Western target countries.

According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

"Verily the most honourable of you in the sight of God
is the most pious among you; verily, God is knowing, aware!" 49:13

Shi'a interpret the phrase above as
"he among you who exercises Taqiyya most"


Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split 'the enemy. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation’; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all.  The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.

Sydney NSW Australia: 2 November 2002

Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly, the controversial Grand Mufti of Australia, is enjoying lunch with his trusted assistant Keysar Trad. The journalist writing of the meeting with the Sheik noted:

'Several times, when direct responses to questions about passages in the Koran begged a simple yes or no, both men preferred to avoid the issues by talking about the difficulties of translating passages from Arabic to English.’

Referring to the Sheikhs blithe dismissal of his virulent anti-Semitic remarks in 1998, the journalist reflected:

'I can only muse at the facility of my guest, who has also praised suicide bombers in more recent times, to dismiss his notorious and abominable remarks with such ease and without actual apology. It seems clear that he is considering the way his remarks will be construed by the Sunday Telegraph’s huge and influential audience when they are translated into Arabic for Muslims to debate. He’s walking a tightrope.'

The skilled journalist should not be puzzled as the Sheik's target audiences were Australians and not Arab readers. Taqiyya, or dissimulation, is a key feature in Islamic public discourse and confuses Western audiences. It is meant to, according to the Koran:

'Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that; they shall have no relation left with Allah except by way of precaution….that ye may guard yourselves’. 3:28

Al Taqiyya is with tongue only; not the heart. A believer can make any statement as long as the ‘heart is comfortable'. The 9/11 terrorists lived and visited in the United States for two years before the 9/11 attacks. How did they acculturate? By the use of taqiyya. Meaning:  I hate you but I smile at you-in public.

Taqiyya and ‘Outwitting’ in contemporary political discourse and debates

Outwitting: Islamic spokesmen commonly use taqiyya as a form of ‘outwitting’. The matter under discussion is not to be debated or discussed; rather the opponent is to ‘outwitted’ through taqiyya, by diversion of the subject and obfuscation aided at times with a mystical reference to God or Allah.

The claim that difficulties in translating from Arabic to English make communication with non-Arab speakers difficult or impossible, is another form of outwitting. The tactical use of a translator offers considerable advantage.

Role playing as victim: Claiming to be 'the victim’ of religious discrimination and intolerance during debate or discussion is another form of distraction and ‘outwitting’.

Manipulating ambiguity: Sheik Hilaly of Sydney, Australia is on public record as (a) ’condemning’ the 9/11 attacks in ambiguous terms and (b) praising suicide and martyr operations  However, Islamic spokesmen will rarely condemn a specific act of terrorism and direct questions will be skillfully evaded.

Diversion: For example, questions  relating to the 9/11 terrorists attacks will be diverted  by a causally irrelevant counter reference to the plight of the Palestinians, the nefarious role of Israel and US foreign policy and support for Israel as ‘causes’ of terrorism.

Anti-Semitism, a core belief of Islamic fundamentalism is also skillfully diverted  by misleading and exaggerated historical references to the alleged status enjoyed by Jews and non-believers under Islamic rule, thereby deflecting critical examination of the virulent contemporary Islamic anti-Semitism.

Demanding ’evidence’: Islamic spokesmen practice a form of taqiyya defined in psychology as ‘cognitive denial’ by repetitive and extreme requests for ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’ of alleged terrorist acts, which they know cannot be disclosed.  

Tactical denial: Rather than admitting that a proposition concerning a state of affairs can be partly true, an Islamic spokesman will deny a claim or proposition in absolute terms. For example, “It is impossible to be a Muslim and a terrorist’ , which is false and ‘Islam forbids suicide’, which is true, but irrelevant as suicide or martyrdom attacks are not forbidden in the Koran.

Exploiting cognitive dissonance: Islamic spokesman tend to be baffle television interviewers and puzzle viewers as they resort to double talk ‘clichés and platitudes’ concerning Islam. A state of cognitive dissonance-holding two contradictory beliefs and attempting to resolve them- is induced in viewers as they attempt to process the claim that Islam is a peaceful religion with the dissonant facts of Islamic terrorist acts and operations.

The Islamic ’defence’ script: Islamic spokesmen repeat the same predictable platitudes concerning Islam in London as do Islamic spokesmen in Seattle and often appear to follow a prepared script from “Islam is tolerant and peace loving’ to the claim by Islamic spokeswomen invariably claiming that wearing the veil offers them more freedom (women in Muslim countries are therefore ‘freer’ than women in western countries), thereby precluding further examination into the real status of women under Islamic rule.

Islamic platitudes are also echoed uncritically by Western politicians, for example ”A small group of fundamentalists have hijacked a great religion’. The timely, skilful, misleading and diversionary theme of the ‘hijacking’ of Islam was introduced into public, political and media discourse by an Islamic ‘spokesmen’ in the United States shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The “Islam has been hijacked’ diversionary theme is now a conventional media and political reference deflecting attention from empirical and historical examination of the doctrinal, political and religious continuity of Islamic terrorism. A related theme that a small minority of Muslims are engaged in terrorism is utterly irrelevant as Islamic terrorism is always perpetrated by ‘small minorities’ or more accurately’ small groups’.

Taqiyya as impressions and perceptions management

The tactical use of children: Australia television viewers noted that interviews with terrorist suspects raided by security authorities invariably featured veiled women holding small children or a baby as they protested their husband’s innocence and attested to his innate goodness. Trembling fingers pointed to ‘damage’ to the family residence.  In some interviews the suspect / father holds the child, whilst denying involvement or knowledge of terrorism in any sense of the word: an example of taqiyya in the age of impressions and perception management.

Taqiyya and the Deceptive use of Jihad: The contemporary political meaning of jihad is clear: it is Jihad of the sword. Egyptian-based Islamic fundamentalists, from whom Bin Laden recruited his key operatives, believe jihad is the fourth pillar of Islam and is a binding belief and integral to the faith. Claiming that Jihad is a subjective and psychological state of personal struggle is taqiyya. In contemporary terms, Jihad means  - holy war - against unbelievers and it in this context that Al Qaeda training manuals refer to Jihad as ‘Holy War’.

The study of taqiyya and kitman is crucial to an understanding of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism ranging from the issuing of false terrorist threats, operational and strategic disinformation issued by Al Qaeda in the form of ‘intelligence chatter’ to the use of taqiyya and kitman by terrorists during interrogation and the use of systematically misleading expressions concerning Islam and terrorism by Muslim ‘spokesmen’.

24 posted on 03/14/2005 4:27:43 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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Deceit, thy name is Islamism, indeed!

Definitely an allah fubar ping!

26 posted on 03/14/2005 5:07:51 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: jan in Colorado
I thought so. Lying to the kafir again.

In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran.

Could the angel that appeared to Mohammed have been the Father of Lies?

31 posted on 03/14/2005 5:57:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: jan in Colorado
AL -

34 posted on 03/14/2005 6:10:41 AM PST by ppaul
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To: jan in Colorado
But, if Islam didn't lie, everyone would know the truth...even Muslims! And what is the truth anyway...


35 posted on 03/14/2005 6:11:15 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: jan in Colorado; Happy2BMe; SheLion; knighthawk; All
Required reading:

Prophet of Doom - Islam’s Terrorist Dogma, In Muhammad’s Own Words

Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories.
Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money.
He was a terrorist.

And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence at

Muhammad, Islam and Terrorism


Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America - Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country

The Islamic States of America?

Misunderstanding the Enemy: the Islamic Threat and the U.S. Media

Islamic Concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries

CAIR Proposes World Islamophobia Report

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror

An Open Letter to Islamic Organizations in America

Islam: This is a truthful hardhitting analysis that all of Freerepublic, the West and America needs to read and understand

The Islamic Vacuum

Exploiting the Koran to Terrorize

islamic Terrorist Attack Time Line

The Evidence: Chronology of Attacks on the West

Terrorism 101

islamic infiltration in the schools:

The Clinton and Islam partnership: Evidence of negotiations using America's public school children

A Seat at the Table: Islam Makes Inroads in Education

Spreading Islam in American Public Schools

American Saudi Schools: Home Grown Sleeper-Cells - (one more wake up call!)

Islamist Threat to Public Schools in Columbia, South Carolina?

Respecting Ramadan, Banning "Christmas" (School District Favors Muslims Over Christians)

"Why I left Islam", by Dr. Ali Sina

"...the real Islam is not what its philosophers and mystics have inferred but what is in the Quran and that is the Islam of the fundamentalist and the terrorist. The real Islam is the Islam that abuses women, that allows men to beat their wives, that imposes penalty tax on the religious minorities, that wants to dominate the world by subduing all the non-Muslims, that calls for Jihad and killing the non-believers until Islam becomes the only dominant religion of the World*."

"The enemy is Islam and that is the target of my attacks. I do that, despite knowing that I have become the magnet of the hatred of fanatical Muslims and my own life could be in danger.

Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars combined."

Islamic terror based on Qu’ran: ex-CIA official

"A former top official of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency paints a menacing picture of the relationship between Islam and terrorism.

"Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Qu’ran," keynote speaker Bruce Tefft claimed in a panel discussion at the University of Toronto on jihad and global terrorism.

And, he added, "There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct..."

According to Tefft, the Qu’ran enjoins Muslims to believe that the whole world should be governed by the principles of Islam*, an expansionist religion that has historically grown through conquest..."

*‘Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth’

-- Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998

36 posted on 03/14/2005 6:11:30 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: jan in Colorado
The Allies! Click the Pic!
Click the Pic

44 posted on 03/14/2005 7:06:33 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: jan in Colorado

ISLAM, in it's endless quest for World Domination, condones lying and deception. As long as "The Men with the Swords (Weapons)" are satisfied, a Muslim's Islamic responsibilities are done.

ISLAM is all about the Power of the weapon. Just like all the other World Domination cults that the world has experienced, ISLAM should be wiped out.

There was no compromise with Nazism.

47 posted on 03/14/2005 7:44:26 AM PST by jolie560
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To: sauropod

read later

78 posted on 03/14/2005 2:44:45 PM PST by sauropod (Heaven for the climate and Hell for the company - Mark Twain)
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To: jan in Colorado; TBP; CarrotAndStick; Arjun; Destro
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.

Very good point -- this must be shown to everyone who thinks that the slammies are turning away from evil
132 posted on 03/16/2005 4:31:53 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: jan in Colorado

I kind of like being called a Crusader.

135 posted on 03/16/2005 4:43:41 PM PST by johnb838 ("You Have Ruled, Now Let Us See You Enforce" Need some wood?)
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To: jan in Colorado

Thy name isnt Islamism, thy name is Islam. its the religion not the fanatics.

193 posted on 03/17/2005 6:09:41 PM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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To: jan in Colorado
Islam is NOT a cult...
It is a gang, a mob.. a tribal extended family...
Only the naif considers it a religion..

What is taught and practiced is tribal hazing and heinous traditions and ceremonys.. A tribal blood bath, Islam runs on blood.. been so for 1625 years.. At no time in history were Muslims Not spilling innocent blood on a grand scale.. If it were not for 9/11 we would still be seeing the problems in Africa and other parts of the world as local difficultys.. When Islam is at work globally and has been for 1625 years.. When there is no infidels to murder, they murder each other...

Islam and communism which is socialism always seem to be on the same page.. Mob rule of all bents are on the same side..

295 posted on 03/17/2005 8:47:43 PM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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