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Hostage 'Bonded' With Captor
CBS News ^ | March 14, 2005

Posted on 03/14/2005 12:44:23 PM PST by EveningStar

The woman who was held hostage in her apartment by the suspect in Atlanta's courthouse slayings came forward to give an account of her ordeal, saying he let her go after they bonded while discussing God, family, pancakes and the massive manhunt going on outside her apartment.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: ashleysmith; briannichols; murderousscumbag; stockholmsyndrom
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OK, folks. The Ashley Smith story is remarkable. However, too many of you are hung up on her. This is about a cold blooded quadruple killer. Who cares if she found his human side? All evil people have a "human" side. Good grief, people! FOCUS!!!
1 posted on 03/14/2005 12:44:25 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

THANK YOU!!!!!!


2 posted on 03/14/2005 12:45:01 PM PST by PilloryHillary (I lead a simple, heteronormative existence.)
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To: EveningStar

What seems to be the problem?


3 posted on 03/14/2005 12:45:32 PM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: EveningStar

Whoa, what am I doing wrong?


4 posted on 03/14/2005 12:45:47 PM PST by RushCrush (I like America to some extent. -Michael Moore)
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To: EveningStar

You were seeking a bloody shootout?


5 posted on 03/14/2005 12:46:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: EveningStar

Maybe he can find God and work on his whole afterlife thing, because he'll probably get there under the GA death penalty.


6 posted on 03/14/2005 12:46:23 PM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: EveningStar

She did what she had to to get the heck out of her apartment. I'd find a human side in Jeffrey Dahmer if it would mean I could escape and survive.


7 posted on 03/14/2005 12:46:30 PM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: EveningStar
I'm guessing some people like or don't like this woman for something she said or didn't say.

Probably should have just made a comment on an existing thread, where people would have some idea what you are talking about.

8 posted on 03/14/2005 12:46:38 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: EveningStar

Stockholm syndrome


9 posted on 03/14/2005 12:46:45 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: EveningStar

This aspect of the story is not about him exclusively. It's about her being a stand-up Christian.


10 posted on 03/14/2005 12:46:55 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: EveningStar

There is a little bit of Stockholm Syndrome going on, but while she doesn't hate him she knows what he is and what he has done. I just hope Ashley Smith doesn't appear in so much media coverage that I get sick of her and lose respect for what she did.


11 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:12 PM PST by johnb838 ("You Have Ruled, Now Let Us See You Enforce" Need some wood?)
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To: EveningStar

She did not find his human side. She found his gullible side. Heck, I can trick my cat into coming by using the "dinner" tone of voice. He's not human.


12 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:33 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Alouette

As another FReeper put it, it was reverse Stockholm syndrome. He bonded with her as well.


13 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:33 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: cwiz24

Exactly.


14 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:37 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: cwiz24

Exactly. Some people appear to be making more of this than there is.

She sounds like one calm, smart, resourceful woman!


15 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:44 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: EveningStar
All evil people have a "human" side. Good grief, people! FOCUS!!!

You must be a fan of Nascar for the wrecks and hockey for the fights.

16 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:56 PM PST by smith288 (The GOP, Ditech of politics... "lost another one to GOP" - Howard dean)
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To: cwiz24

She drove with him to stash the truck with her cell phone on her seat and then gave him a ride back to her apartment.


17 posted on 03/14/2005 12:48:23 PM PST by johnb838 ("You Have Ruled, Now Let Us See You Enforce" Need some wood?)
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To: dead

I think this woman is a hero, but we need to remember what this guy did--killed innocent people in cold blood....not the fact that he "bonded" with his hostage and didn't kill her too. It's all they are talking about on the news today. AWWWW....a killer with a heart. Isn't that sweet.


18 posted on 03/14/2005 12:48:26 PM PST by PilloryHillary (I lead a simple, heteronormative existence.)
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To: dead

If someone doesn't like her based on what she said or did to stay alive and safe and get to a point where he could be arrested, that's just ridiculous. By talking to him and staying calm, she not only stayed alive but also prevented him from shooting anyone else or trying to run again.


19 posted on 03/14/2005 12:48:36 PM PST by VRWCisme
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To: cripplecreek

Don't be silly. I just think we're forgetting what this is all about.


20 posted on 03/14/2005 12:48:37 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Think for a moment that every one else in the 24 hours this guy was running around, winded up dead or injured. He did not harm this woman because she trusted God to see her through and her calm spirit seemed to defuse the situation. We are not hung up on her. We are awed, once again, by God's power and grace. I hope he gets the death penalty, but I hope he can turn his life to Christ and get the help he needs.


21 posted on 03/14/2005 12:50:00 PM PST by rabidralph (Gosh!)
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To: PilloryHillary

Where was the five year ole daughter to begin with at a friend's house?

I understand early on, he had her follow his car back to her place. Why did she follow him back to her place by car as opposed to calling the police then and there?

She says to avoid further violence.

nick


22 posted on 03/14/2005 12:50:02 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: cvq3842

I totally agree. I must admit I haven't been reading what other FReepers have been saying about this girl but I find it very hard to believe that there could be anything negative said about her. What is the controversy around here? I'm too lazy to read all the posts. Sorry!!


23 posted on 03/14/2005 12:50:32 PM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: EveningStar

Huh?


24 posted on 03/14/2005 12:50:54 PM PST by Constitution Day (Go Wolfpack! Go away, Sendek.)
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To: EveningStar

From reading this post of yours, I am forced to disagree. Only one person on this thread has lost their perspective.

No one (at least that I've seen) is calling for him to be released for good behavior. He's gonna face the death penalty.

However, her story is really remarkable. Here's a rapist and multiple murderer seemingly tamed by a young woman who he originally tied up.

There are several stories to be told, one of them about a cold blooded killer, and another about a remarkable young woman.


25 posted on 03/14/2005 12:51:02 PM PST by dmz
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To: Brilliant

She feels "sorry for him". That goes too far.


26 posted on 03/14/2005 12:51:11 PM PST by Gumption
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To: johnb838

Point?


27 posted on 03/14/2005 12:51:20 PM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: cvq3842

"She sounds like one calm, smart, resourceful woman!"


I think she has quite a past we don't know about yet but I have a feeling she's seen plenty of violence in her life already. Her husband died in a knifefight or something similar, it makes me think she has talked violent people "down" before.


28 posted on 03/14/2005 12:51:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: cwiz24

Apparently some people called in to Rush Limbaugh and suggested she became attracted to him, or something. I only heard it second-hand myself, but I think that was the issue.


29 posted on 03/14/2005 12:51:37 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: johnb838

I smell a Lifetime movie in her future. lol


30 posted on 03/14/2005 12:51:48 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: cvq3842

Roger that!


31 posted on 03/14/2005 12:52:26 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: EveningStar

She did precisely what she needed to do in order to prevent him from killing her. Good for her.


32 posted on 03/14/2005 12:52:35 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Gumption

Thank you.


33 posted on 03/14/2005 12:52:52 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: cvq3842

What? That's ridiculous...


34 posted on 03/14/2005 12:52:58 PM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: cripplecreek

Could be. But for her to still be alive, having confronted a man who had already committed several murders and clearly had little else to lose (in terms of sentencing), is worth hearing about.


35 posted on 03/14/2005 12:53:11 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: EveningStar
This is about a cold blooded quadruple killer. Who cares if she found his human side?

It sounds to me like you're the one who's hung up on Ashley Smith. As for the rest of us, we recognize it for what it is: an amazing story. One result of her finding his "human side" is that more people are not dead.

All evil people have a "human" side.

And all human people have an "evil" side, too. Even people who feel called to (needlessly) remind us about the crimes Mr. Nichols committed.

36 posted on 03/14/2005 12:53:11 PM PST by r9etb
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To: rabidralph

He probably will get the death penalty here in GA, but I too hope he turns to Christ. I hope she has planted the seed within him.


37 posted on 03/14/2005 12:53:15 PM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: cwiz24

Sounds odd to me too. What can I say? maybe i have it wrong.


38 posted on 03/14/2005 12:54:01 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: EveningStar

A..She stopped the killing..B she got him to surrender peacefully C she is alive to mother her child.

He is a cold blooded manipulative murderer..I hope they execute him..There..is that fair and balanced?


39 posted on 03/14/2005 12:54:10 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Gumption
She feels "sorry for him". That goes too far.

I feel sorry for him, too.

I feel a lot sorrier for the families of his victims, of course.

40 posted on 03/14/2005 12:54:47 PM PST by r9etb
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To: EveningStar
That's the same thing I've been saying on another thread like this. The creep murdered 4 people and she acts like she has the hot's for him.

It's disgusting. I feel sorry for the families of the murdered victims, not this creep.

41 posted on 03/14/2005 12:54:55 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: nikos1121

Her daughter was staying with an aunt. The young lady had just moved into the apartment and was working on getting her life in order.Appears the Aunt is a stong Christian mentor and prayer partner in her life.


42 posted on 03/14/2005 12:55:06 PM PST by Blessed
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To: snarks_when_bored

I agree. But I think that by focusing on Ashley Smith in such an overwhelming way we are losing sight of the victims and their families.


43 posted on 03/14/2005 12:55:31 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: cwiz24
I agree with you completely. About 16 ago, my ex-husband of nearly a year kicked down the back door of my house. I was able to call 9-11 and throw the phone down before he located me in the house. He held a gun to my head and threatened to kill me if I didn't take him back. I told him "Sure, I'll take you back." I said all kinds of things to keep him from pulling that trigger.

Eventually, the police arrived as they had been listening to the entire ordeal through the dropped phone. I told him I'd get rid of them so we could restart our lives together. Thankfully, he actually believed me. As soon as I opened the front door, I bolted. He was arrested and no relationship ensued.

This lady did what she had to do to stay alive.
44 posted on 03/14/2005 12:56:02 PM PST by Quilla
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To: MEG33
A..She stopped the killing..B she got him to surrender peacefully C she is alive to mother her child.

Well said. That's all that really needs to be said, isn't it? Isn't this all that matters?
45 posted on 03/14/2005 12:56:23 PM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: rabidralph

You got it rapidralph!


46 posted on 03/14/2005 12:57:17 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: EveningStar

You would have liked it better if he had raped and killed her?


47 posted on 03/14/2005 12:57:26 PM PST by myrabach
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To: Quilla
This lady did what she had to do to stay alive.

It's human instinct to do anything necessary to preserve our own life and the lives of our loved ones. Her instincts kicked in along with the adrenaline and she likely handled it better than anyone else could have.
48 posted on 03/14/2005 12:58:15 PM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: VRWCisme
I think a lot of you people are missing the point. She was brave. No doubt about it. But she sounds like she tooting her own horn. The man is a murderer, not someone to be looked upon as favorably as she does.

She has more sympathy for the murderer and the murdered. That's twisted logic.

49 posted on 03/14/2005 12:58:17 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Alouette

"Stockholm syndrome"

Perhaps.....but also a clear example of a Christian who truly "lives" her faith. We need a great many more "Ashleys" in the world.

pattyjo


50 posted on 03/14/2005 12:58:29 PM PST by pj_627
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