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CA: 'Undaunted' Angelides set to launch campaign for governor
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/14/05 | Beth Fouhy - AP

Posted on 03/14/2005 8:56:09 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Saying he had "no illusions" about the difficulty of unseating a popular celebrity governor, state Treasurer Phil Angelides said Monday he's confident he'll win the Democratic nomination for governor in 2006 and beat Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in a head-to-head showdown.

"This isn't going to be a plain, vanilla election - we're not talking about potholes," Angelides said in an interview Monday before launching a five-day statewide campaign tour Tuesday morning. "Gov. Schwarzenegger and I have a different view of the world, two very different visions of what makes society strong."

A longtime fixture in California politics, the 51-year-old Angelides has made little secret of his intent to run for governor next year and has raised already raised about $12.5 million for the effort. But with the Democratic primary still a year away, Angelides' early campaign kickoff signaled his desire to quickly frame the race as a two-man contest between himself and Schwarzenegger.

"The reason I'm doing this early is that the threat this governor presents to California is enormous," Angelides said. "He's hurting teachers, he's hurting nurses - he's going after the very fabric of California's strengths."

Schwarzenegger has not yet announced whether he is running for re-election, but his campaign committee has raised $1 million so far with more fund-raising events planned. He spent Monday evening at a fund-raising dinner in Sacramento.

Angelides isn't the first Democrat in the race. Already, Attorney General Bill Lockyer has said he's running and has raised about $11 million for the race, although he hasn't made an official announcement. Actor-director Rob Reiner has also been mentioned as a possible candidate.

Since Schwarzenegger took office 16 months ago, Angelides has arguably been his loudest and most persistent Democratic critic. His role as state treasurer has given Angelides a platform from which to attack Schwarzenegger's fiscal policies, particularly his reliance on borrowing to balance the budget and pay off the state's debt.

In recent months, Angelides has been an outspoken critic of Schwarzenegger's proposals to change the state's government and politics, especially his plan to transform the state's public pension system into a system of 401(k) style accounts.

Responding to criticism that his cerebral style and approach to issues could prove a turnoff to voters, Angelides said he planned to use the next year of campaigning to project a more personable image.

"I hope to let Californians know that I am standing up and fighting for them," Angelides said. "My whole life has been standing up for hardworking Californians, and I'm going to expose this governor as someone who protects wealth and privilege."

Republican operatives have anticipated an Angelides announcement for months. Most say they are savoring the prospect of a matchup between the popular Schwarzenegger and a liberal Democratic Sacramento insider who has consistently favored raising taxes on the wealthy to balance the state's budget.

"Phil Angelides is a candidate who never met a tax increase he didn't like," said Karen Hanretty, a spokeswoman for the state Republican party. "Phil Angelides is setting himself up as the anti-Schwarzenegger of California, which means he's anti-reform and represents the status quo that created the problems California faces today."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2006; angelides; california; campaign; ceqa; governor; launch; running; undaunted

1 posted on 03/14/2005 8:56:11 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Editorial cartoonists await, pencil in hand ..

It's gonna be a long bumpy ride thru '06..


2 posted on 03/14/2005 8:58:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Lockyer versus Angelides?

Man, if I were a Democrat I'd be reaching for the Kool-Aid.

3 posted on 03/14/2005 8:59:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Garamendi is a dark horse, so is westly,, could get real interesting

I wonder what the polls show when Parsky runs against 'Chairman Mao' Lockyer or 'Philantrophic' (w/OPM) Angelides ? lol


4 posted on 03/14/2005 9:03:53 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

For Arnold to be vulnerable, the impression will need to be dispelled that a majority of the California legislature is something other than a nest of kooks. That is going to be a tough sell. As it is, I think a majority of Californians appreciate the check.


5 posted on 03/14/2005 9:06:46 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

lol..

The latest approval rating for the state dems was ~30%.

..and viewing some of their legislation lately, 'a nest of kooks' may be too kind. ;-)


6 posted on 03/14/2005 9:14:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Torie
There will be another borrowing this year, after having "cut up the credit cards." With the extra cash flow required for debt service, I don't see how the State can go on this way indefinitely without the same budget cuts they were avoiding in the first place while paying higher taxes and fees.
7 posted on 03/14/2005 9:16:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good luck Phil. Here comes a world class ass-stompin'. Put a picture of Angelides next a to a picture of Arnold.

'Nuff said...


8 posted on 03/14/2005 9:17:09 PM PST by telebob
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To: All
Who?

Who's running? Gary Coleman?

9 posted on 03/14/2005 9:43:58 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Never underestimate Garamendi. The man's evil ambition knows no bounds.


10 posted on 03/14/2005 9:52:35 PM PST by Wiseghy (Go Gov. Arnie!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
There will be another borrowing this year, after having "cut up the credit cards."

The first "spending reform" bill that Arnold had introduced in the legislature included about $10 billion in borrowing. It is generally the same language being offered via initiative by Zaremberg/Hauck.

I finally made it through the text of Campbell's spending cap. It also defers a bunch of expenses, although the mechanics are much more obscure. All of the prior borrowings and deferred "maintenance factor" amounts will be paid off only when revenues exceed expenditures (as limited by the formula). Not all of the excess would go to these expenses (only 50%). And loans would not be repaid until the deficit bonds are fully paid off. That will probably take a decade, at least. While it would certainly be an improvement from today, it gives a good amount of relief (deferral) by not requiring the repayment of these dollars as originally promised.

11 posted on 03/14/2005 10:07:15 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
Phil Angelides is known to be an advocate of tax increases and bigger government spending. He'll make a fine foil in '06... assuming he gets first through his party's primary.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
12 posted on 03/14/2005 10:34:46 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl
Turns out it was George Deukmeijian and the California GOP that weakened the Gann Limit back in 1990 in order to sell voters a bill of goods - I mean you know spending on more roads. Instead it ushered in a decade and a half of reckless spending. There's a lesson here: IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT. Yet the party of limited government wants to weaken TABOR in Colorado to allow reckless spending. If we put back in a strict spending cap - we must never to allow it to be weakened again, regardless of whether the folks advocating the weakening are Republicans or Democrats.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
13 posted on 03/14/2005 10:39:00 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is great!

Assuming Arnold runs, which I think he will, there is NO WAY he will lose.

But this gets out 2 statewide incumbents, which means we have shots at picking up both of their seats!

It's not likely, but with Arnold at the helm, we have a chance of it.


14 posted on 03/14/2005 10:41:59 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: goldstategop

I'm kind of hoping to see Lockyer myself and his MALDEF lawyer/activist wife and new baby by his side.
;-)


15 posted on 03/14/2005 10:42:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie
Phil Angelides
Matthew Lesko
16 posted on 03/14/2005 11:23:16 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs ... the OTHER white meat)
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To: bootless

See #16 ;-)


17 posted on 03/15/2005 12:16:44 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Anagram of my screenname: TRUE UNCLE TRUER COCONUT)
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To: goldstategop
Turns out it was George Deukmeijian and the California GOP that weakened the Gann Limit back in 1990 in order to sell voters a bill of goods...

No. It was Deukmejian and the Special Interest lobby who got the liberals to vote for it. Many in the GOP strongly opposed Deukmejian's endorsement and most Republicans did not vote for it.

See my other post, with article excerpts

18 posted on 03/15/2005 12:32:05 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Point acknowledged. We made that mistake and its an important lesson. Politicians' promises never turn to be worth much - and the tab usually comes due AFTER they leave office.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
19 posted on 03/15/2005 12:39:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; FairOpinion
The first "spending reform" bill that Arnold had introduced in the legislature included about $10 billion in borrowing. It is generally the same language being offered via initiative by Zaremberg/Hauck.

Just to remind you girls, this thread is about the democrats vying to take on Arnold. Why don't you both come out of the closet and announce your support for them?

20 posted on 03/15/2005 7:38:14 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

It shouldn't surprise you that some "co-called " conservatives want Arnold to lose to the Dems, some of the same "so-called" conservatives categorically stated, that they preferred Bustamante to become governor, instead of Arnold.

How conservative does THAT sound?

This is just more of the same.


21 posted on 03/15/2005 7:52:26 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: FairOpinion

I thought it was strange that on a thread devoted to those challenging the Governor, some people chose to attack him, just as those challengers will try to do. Shameful.


22 posted on 03/15/2005 8:05:44 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I can't stand Bill Lockyer.


23 posted on 03/15/2005 8:07:43 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God" - Braveheart)
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To: ClintonBeGone; FairOpinion

You two shills are too much.

Pointing out that the state has a huge debt problem IS conservative. It was not attacking Arnold, although it is critical of his actions. The man said he would CUT spending. Instead, he is trying to borrow more money.

I don't care what letter they have next to their name, if they're acting against MY interests, I'll speak out.

For the record, I can't stand Angelides. He is a tax-grabbing leftist who I will oppose aggressively.


24 posted on 03/15/2005 8:12:41 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
I don't care what letter they have next to their name, if they're acting against MY interests, I'll speak out.

That's just silly. Governor Schwarzenegger is doing what's in your best interest. Attacking him and helping the enemies defeat him will do worse for your interests. When will you understand that?

25 posted on 03/15/2005 8:27:06 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: FairOpinion
It shouldn't surprise you that some "co-called " conservatives want Arnold to lose to the Dems, some of the same "so-called" conservatives categorically stated, that they preferred Bustamante to become governor, instead of Arnold.

You have yet to substantiate this statement with references although you have been requested to supply them on numerous occasions. Until then, it stands as a categorical lie and an abuse of this forum.

I will now be catalogging these baldfaced assertions as abuse, and will present the case to the forum administration when I believe they have reached critical mass.

26 posted on 03/15/2005 8:28:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
That's just silly. Governor Schwarzenegger is doing what's in your best interest.

Then prove it with citations and references, please. Increasing the debt service in the budget by forty percent isn't in ANYBODY'S interest, except for the coupon clippers and bond dealers who financed Arnold's recall campaign and continue to be his principal contributors today.

27 posted on 03/15/2005 8:31:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: calcowgirl
Yep. Phil's program is full bore socialism. Now if he were only honest about it, I'd have no problem respecting him. But how can you trust Democrats to be honest? They can't even tell people they want to run their lives in ways they haven't even dreamed of yet.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
28 posted on 03/15/2005 8:36:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Carry_Okie
except for the coupon clippers and bond dealers who financed Arnold's recall campaign and continue to be his principal contributors today.

That's a lie and you know it!! Governor Schwarzenegger is UNbought and UNbossed.

29 posted on 03/15/2005 8:38:57 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

>>That's just silly. Governor Schwarzenegger is doing what's in your best interest.

Wrong. Debt is not in our interest, nor are massive landgrabs. Arnie is helping the special interests, not mine, nor the states.

>>Attacking him and helping the enemies defeat him will do worse for your interests.

As I have told you in numerous posts, I didn't attack him. I criticized his policies. Get it?

>>When will you understand that?

ROFL! If you can't understand the most fundamental principles, I don't see myself following your lead. You are going LEFT, which is not where I want to go.


30 posted on 03/15/2005 8:46:42 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: ClintonBeGone

>>Governor Schwarzenegger is UNbought and UNbossed.

ROFL! You really ought to read more.


31 posted on 03/15/2005 8:48:00 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: goldstategop

Oh yeah, are you telling me I can't trust Hillary, say it isn't so!


32 posted on 03/15/2005 8:49:49 PM PST by Lx (Tuesday is Soylent green day!)
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To: ClintonBeGone; calcowgirl; SierraWasp
That's a lie and you know it!! Governor Schwarzenegger is UNbought and UNbossed.

Well it looks like I was wrong about one thing, real estate investors have suddenly kicked in a rather large ante, now surpassing the finance guys since I last looked at this graph (updated 2/23/05).

ccg & SW, I would almost bet the farm that this change has to do with the passage of the Sierra Nevada Conservancy. With power like that over land use control, it's going to be strictly play for pay, and for big boys only.

ClintonBeGone, I study environmental racketeering by political/regulatory quid-pro-quo for a living. You have no clue.

33 posted on 03/15/2005 8:58:41 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

They are not lies, they are true -- I just didn't make a collection of those posts, and in retrospect I should have, there were several.

I think the conservative credentials of the people who prefer Bustamante to a Republican governor are more open to question.


34 posted on 03/15/2005 9:01:11 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: FairOpinion

OH HOGWASH!!!


35 posted on 03/15/2005 9:06:44 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: FairOpinion
They are not lies, they are true -- I just didn't make a collection of those posts, and in retrospect I should have, there were several.

You have failed again, and had better drop it unless you can prove it.

36 posted on 03/15/2005 9:09:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp
With power like that over land use control, it's going to be strictly play for pay, and for big boys only.

If you look at the CEQA rules they are trying to change there are quite a few things that catches ones eye. One thing of note was possible exemptions for infill projects. Look further, and you find George Kieffer on the Advisory Board for CEQA changes. Kieffer heads the L.A. Chamber of Commerce and is with the Dem firm of Mannatt Phelps -- and is also Maria's lawyer. Who owns bunches of L.A. property salivating for infill projects? Eli Broad. Broad is part of the California Business Roundtable, supporting Arnold's reforms. Yep... the big boys are looking for their payback. And with the help of people like F.O. and CBG they just may get it.

By saying AS is UNbought and UNbossed, I wonder if CBG meant he was bossed and bought by the UN. That might be the plot, LOL.

37 posted on 03/15/2005 9:12:25 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: ClintonBeGone; FairOpinion
If you think putting my property along with millions of other Californian's under another layer of largely unelected government called the Sierra-Nevada CONservancy is in ANYONE's interest, you're getting so deep in denial it's dangerous!!!

That act alone, is so far-reaching and severe as to color every other act coming from his faltering administration. I hope and pray the four ballot initiatives are not so watered down that I cannot support them either!!!

No one is "attacking" him, as much as they are honestly criticising in as constructive a way possible, under the circumstances. No matter what tone we take, he keeps appointing leftists and supporting leftist lawmaking at a demoralizing pace! Can't you help us make him stop, rather than cheap shotting us all the time???

38 posted on 03/15/2005 9:20:31 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
ClintonBeGone, I study environmental racketeering by political/regulatory quid-pro-quo for a living. You have no clue.

Your perspective is completely out of balance. Like Ronald Reagan said, they contribute because they believe in HIS agenda, not the other way around. Of course, I'm sure you would attack Reagan too as being too liberal for your taste.

39 posted on 03/15/2005 9:23:16 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: SierraWasp
If you think putting my property along with millions of other Californian's under another layer of largely unelected government called the Sierra-Nevada CONservancy is in ANYONE's interest, you're getting so deep in denial it's dangerous!!!

You have all the protection you need with the 5th amendment. There is no need for you to pick up arms because a group of folks want to help preserve the enviroment.

40 posted on 03/15/2005 9:24:36 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

>>There is no need for you to pick up arms because a group of folks want to help preserve the enviroment.

This says a lot about you.


41 posted on 03/15/2005 9:29:09 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: ClintonBeGone
It's not about preserving the environment! It's about expanding government in a region whose only growth industry IS ALREADY GOVERNMENT GROWTH!!!

You can't possibly be so uninformed as to not understand THAT!!! (but, then you've surprised me before...)

42 posted on 03/15/2005 9:32:54 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I think that Mr. Angelides may have some sizable skeletons in his closet.

If memory serves, I read that Phil GIRLYMAngelides may be behind some CalPERS investments directed toward his political allies, that lost a great deal of money in the retirement fund.

Alleging that this is true, it's too big a handicap for Angelides to overcome while running against a popular Governator.

Lockyear, (again, assuming I remember correctly), was reluctant to investigate some shady goings on by alleged and former governor Davis.

Look for the Dems to shun these two as unelectable.

I predict that the Dems will nominate a Hollywood type, most probably "Meathead."

.

43 posted on 03/15/2005 10:04:55 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Your perspective is completely out of balance.

It is based upon seven years of research. My book was hand carried by former Senator Malcolm Wallop to every member of the US cabinet and Vice President Dick Cheney (you can read the cover letter here).

Of course, I'm sure you would attack Reagan too as being too liberal for your taste.

Reagan made a few compromises of which I was not fond, backing out of Beruit being one, the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor being another. On balance, he was a great president, especially when considering he had to deal with a Democrat Congress for most of his tenure.

Now you can stop changing the subject and get back to defending Arnold. It's pathetic, but amusing.

44 posted on 03/15/2005 10:06:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Seaplaner

LOL.. the thought of a debate between MeatHead and the Gubinator.. Priceless!


45 posted on 03/15/2005 10:08:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
There is no need for you to pick up arms because a group of folks want to help preserve the enviroment.

Give me a break. If socialized environmentalism is allowed to continue unabated, it will destroy Sierra mountain habitat with fire, weeds, and erosion.

Environmentalism is about money, not habitat protection.

46 posted on 03/15/2005 10:10:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"LOL.. the thought of a debate between MeatHead and the Gubinator.. Priceless!"

Ya! Arnold: "Hey Meathead, since the dingbat's not here, go git me a beah, but don't git yer meathead stuck in the fridge!"

47 posted on 03/15/2005 10:18:32 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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