Mainline Christian Anti-Semitism (Why Presbyterian, WCC and Lutheran churches side with terrorists)

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | March 15, 2005 | David Meir-Levi

[meanie monster]

I have to get ny kids out of that church and it starte Sunday, I promise. If I have to alone with them I will.

[Guenevere]

#4...It can't be said enough.....because the general public doesn't understand the difference!

Presbyterian Church, USA....is the one in the artical.

Presbyterian Church, PCA disassociated itself from the mainline Presbyterian Church, USA 30 years ago because of policies such as this.

And Presbyterian Church PCA is not a sect....but one of the fastest growing denominations in our country!!!!

[Stand W]

Y'know, we're ELCA (Lutheran) and have really had a hard time squaring ourselves with what the national leadership says and does. This is par for the course for the ELCA. In the '80's they of course backed nuclear freeze, wanted the US out of Central America, etc.

We really hate knowing that our tithing makes this kind of feel-good phony moralizing possible. Needless to say, we've begun the first tentative steps in looking for another church. Kinda sad really. After the election (and leading up to it) I really became uncomfortable in the church. There are people there that have not spoken to me since they discovered I was a Bush backer. A blue church in a very red state (Oklahoma).

[sweet_diane]

Encourage him the best you can, but get up and go all the same. Back when my Husband was still drinking, he had so much guilt in him that the last place he wanted to be was church. He did eventually go and we found a denomination we both found to be 'right' for us (Presbyterian PCA). When my Husband's drinking took him to rock bottom it was our church that was there for us emotionally, a true church family.

Our girls were raised at this church and Hubby has been sober over 4 years. I cannot impress upon you enough how important it is to have your children in a REAL church...a bible based church, not one of those 'feel good' churches.

Visit several churches...you'll know it when you find your 'home'. {{{Hugs}}}

[sweet_diane]

"And Presbyterian Church PCA is not a sect"

ROFL!

I was raised in the PCUSA church. When my Husband and I were visiting churches, we found the PCA church. My mom just KNEW we'd joined a sect of weirdos! She called our old preacher and asked her new one and they both said "no, it's not a sect, just more fundemental then us".

I confess, I am the Jesus Freak of the family...and I thank God for that!

[Piquaboy]

The wife and I went to the ELCA church for a time and did not like their liberal attitude. We were lucky that they had a Missouri Synod branch in town and have attended it for years.

[ken21]

it doesn't make any sense to me.

it reminds me of the thinking of ~1970, actualized today in left-wing writers such as chomsky, howard zinn, churchill, mike davis, etc.

[Polyxene]

We are in the same situation. We are lifelong Lutherans, and we also belong to an ELCA church. We really like the church, the members and the pastor of our current church. It is the politics of the ELCA that we do not like. So far, our pastor has not preached politics from the pulpit, but he is retiring in the fall, and who knows what kind of pastor we will get. We are waiting to see what kind of replacement we get. If he/she is a flaming liberal and starts preaching the party line from the pulpit, we are going elsewhere. There are several LCMS churches in our area that have been recommended to us. I hate to see what is happening to the church I was born, baptized and raised in.

[blues-train]

Main Line Protestant organizations share the same "out-of-touch" problem that grass root Republicans and their leadership face. The Elite (who set the course for ELCA and the Republican party) have no time for the little people in the pews or out here in "fly-over county". The MainStreamPress is all to happy to lump conservatives (both religious and political) with any liberal antics their respective leaderships undertake.

[sweet_diane]

"She is a control freak. She bought our house for us because we didn't qualify because my hubby is self employed "

My situation was very similar, except our house is two doors down from where hers was. In '93 she developed ALS (Lou Gehrigs Disease) and being that my Husband is an only child, her care fell to me and her Husband, who was almost to retirement and still working. PTL, we made peace on her deathbed.

Hang in there. He is YOUR Husband and those are YOUR children. It ain't easy dealing with these men with control freak moms...they are usually torn between the two and end up paralyzed and only looking for a way out of the tension.

[Guenevere]

#25...:^)
....I know what you mean :)

I always feel like I have to explain...

I was brought up Baptist, but husband was Lutheran, so we belonged to a Lutheran church for many years---(the pastor was not liberal)...but then the ELCA took over, and we left, and found this wonderful PCA church....and...

...almost 20 years later, we're still PCA :)

[XR7]

Just for information - this is the Presbyterian Church USA not the PCA or free reformed presbyterian churches.

Thanks for the clarification.
The denominations mentioned in the article have been apostate for decades - promoting homosexuality, paganism, communism, radical feminism, et al - worshipping at the altar of political correctness and perversion.

[mollynme]

I just googled Maury Davis and he sounds great! He had some "tolerance" group railing against him a couple of years ago. Here's a quote from their website.

"I want to go on record as telling you that I believe the greatest threat to the American way of life, to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the gospel of Jesus Christ, is the religion of Islam as it stands today," Davis said from the pulpit.

"It is a great task that you and I have to infiltrate the Muslim community, but we can do it with the help of God."

I have to be in Nashville this Fall. I may look him up.

[Stand W]

I hear ya, brother and I'm right behind you.

Will the last one out of the church, please turn out the lights?

[windcliff]

ping

[SJackson]

They may in violation of the anti-boycott law, both in terms of defacto co-operation with the Arab boycott, as well as violation of specific provisions. There have been a couple threads on it. If "free speach" was an issue, the law, along with others, would have been overturned long ago. I don't see "exercise of religion" as an issue either. You can't travel to Cuba, irrespective of your church's position on our boycott, and I doubt that will change.

[SJackson]

A law that itself violates Free Speech. A bad law.

See 37. This isn't a speech issue, rather one of action, though there are certainly many restrictions on speech. The primacy of the Federal Government in the realm of foreign affairs is what the act rests on.

[Steve_Seattle]

To understand why the WCC churches are taking this position, you need to understand the psychology of the liberal Christian, which I will try to explain:

Although he has long since abandoned the traditional theology of Christianity, the liberal Christian longs for a pure society, a society governed by a unifying, communitarian worldview. Hence, the liberal Christian is hostile to the anomic secularism of the modern West, even as he insists in secularism in matters of law, particularly in areas regarding traditional sexual morality.

The liberal Christian has an unconscious admiration for those who still retain what he has lost, i.e., a Puritanical, authoritarian commitment to a unified society governed by strict moral principles, in which "equality" is enforced by a powerful central authority. Hence the liberal Christian is predisposed to identify with Marxist and Islamist extremists, who he sees as embodying a purer and nobler ethic than the average Christian or Jewish citizen of the West, who are seen (negatively) as motivated by a need for personal security, comfort, freedom, and affluence.

Young Jewish nightclub patrons in Tel Aviv are thus compared unfavorably with the "downtrodden" Islamic militants who want to kill them; the Jews are affluent and decadent, the Muslims poor, desperate, noble, and pure. Israel is seen as modern, affluent, and therefore decadent, everything that the liberal Christian opposes. Meanwhile, the despotic Arab countries are seen as "oppressed," victims of the West. And their very despotism is not seen as a weakness, but as a strength; ultimately, the liberal Christian does not believe in freedom, but only an enforced equality and "communitarianism."

Of course, there is a lot of hypocrisy and fantasy in the psyche of the liberal Christian; he imagines that he, somehow, will retain his own freedom and affluence in the totalitarian world he is trying to create. And that is why the liberal Christian is so dangerous to Western civilization; ultimately, his thinking is incoherent, and if his policies succeed, freedom will indeed be lost, for him and for everyone else.