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Fire Destroys Downtown Madison (WI) Cathedral
Channel 3000 ^ | March 15, 2005

Posted on 03/15/2005 6:19:49 AM PST by NYer

MADISON, Wis. -- Firefighters spent Monday putting out hot spots after an early-morning blaze destroyed St. Raphael Cathedral, 222 W. Main St., in downtown Madison, near the Capitol.

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The fire was reported at about 5:30 a.m. Monday. Large plumes of dark smoke could be seen from all directions toward the Capitol. Several area fire departments were called in to help Madison firefighters contain the fire. Firefighters got the fire under control at about 8 a.m. Monday. The fire burned through the church's roof and it collapsed. Firefighters spent much of the day working to save the church's steeple, which is a downtown Madison landmark.

It's unknown how the fire started.

At noon Monday, officials said they had planned to take the steeple down to protect the 100-foot spire from possible collapse. However, Monday night, they said the structure is secure enough to leave it up, for now. Workers from Findorff Builders were planning to use large cranes to bring the steeple down safely.

Findorff just erected the brand new spire in November. It was considered the crowning jewell of a million-dollar restoration of the church. The high-tech spire was designed to withstand the test of time -- as well as fire. The inside is made with steel and fire-treated wood. The outside is copper.

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The new spire included special fiber optic lighting, an additional bell to add to the original two, a new cross at the top and a new clock.

No one was injured in the three-alarm blaze.

Downtown Streets Closures/Shuttles

All streets within two blocks of St. Raphael, including Fairchild, Henry and West Main, were shut down to drivers during the fire Monday.

Due to the fire, several streets in the vicinity remain closed through Tuesday morning -- basically the block immediately surrounding the cathedral:



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: cathedral; fiberoptics; fire; straphael

1 posted on 03/15/2005 6:19:50 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Wonder if Swain had the presence of mind to get the Blessed Sacrament out of the church?


2 posted on 03/15/2005 6:22:42 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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MADISON, Wis. -- The 270,000 Catholics in the Diocese of Madison considered St. Raphael's to be their mother church.
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3 posted on 03/15/2005 6:24:55 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer

A structure built to be unburnable burns down and a priest murdered near Milwaukee last week. Weird.


4 posted on 03/15/2005 6:25:07 AM PST by bvw
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To: NYer

The ACLU will sue because fireman used public water to put out the fire...


5 posted on 03/15/2005 6:25:25 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 2banana

LOL, don't give them any ideas.


6 posted on 03/15/2005 6:33:38 AM PST by Textide
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To: sinkspur
The Monsignor taking care of things before leaving the building kind of goes without saying, IMHO.

As sad as this is, it will be a pretty easy re-build.

As you can see, the brick walls are thick, and largely un-damaged. The steeple is intact. What was lost was the truss and roof deck. These can almost be viewed as routine replacement items on a Cathedral. Also lost, of course, are a lot of the interior fittings and stained glass. Let's hope the modern replacements are not too horrid! But if the Parish Hall next door is any indication, I would not be too hopeful...

7 posted on 03/15/2005 6:35:10 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: NYer
"It's unknown how the fire started."

Over the weekend there were two church fires in the Seattle area, one definitely arson, the other probable arson. (One church was Baptist, the other (I think) and independent evangelical church.) With all of the controversy about gay marriage in the air, it makes you wonder . . .
8 posted on 03/15/2005 6:50:31 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: NYer

Damn. Breaks my heart. It was beautiful. This picture is from last spring.

9 posted on 03/15/2005 7:09:28 AM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Five will get you ten that it was arson. And it is 2-1 that when the final story is written one name -- the University of Wisconsin -- will somehow be highlighted.


10 posted on 03/15/2005 7:09:56 AM PST by gaspar (Takoma Park is a pesthole.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Five will get you ten that it was arson. And it is 2-1 that when the final story is written one name -- the University of Wisconsin -- will somehow be highlighted.


11 posted on 03/15/2005 7:10:27 AM PST by gaspar
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To: sinkspur
Msgr. Swain practiced law for many years before he answered the call from God to become a priest. He is a very calm, brilliant, holy man. I am confident that he did everything possible to preserve and protect the Blessed Sacrament.

I pray that although it will not restore the Cathedral that meant so much to so many of us, the investigation into the cause of the blaze is thorough. When I first heard of the fire, I immediately thought of Bishop Morlino's first act as our new Bishop.....leading silent prayer near an abortion clinic located less than a block from the Cathedral. Bishop Morlino most recently requested that Catholics in our diocese meet outside a newly constructed planned parenthood facility later this week to pray the rosary for everyone involved in the horror of abortion.

I pray the fire was not intentional. But I most fervently pray for the members of the parish who are for the most part elderly and have worshiped at the Cathedral for their entire lives.


God bless,

EODGUY
13 posted on 03/15/2005 7:19:02 AM PST by EODGUY (Help save Terri Schiavo's life. Tell your legislators to pass HR 1151 and S539, please.)
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To: NYer

the street corner by this church is a hangout for homeless drunks. wonder what the arson investigation will turn up.


14 posted on 03/15/2005 7:30:26 AM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: Ladysmith

The Cathedral was indeed beautiful. Mass was celebrated daily at noon and 5pm and it was truly inspiring to see 100 to 200 people worship together on any given day of the week.


God bless,

EODGUY


15 posted on 03/15/2005 7:33:01 AM PST by EODGUY (Help save Terri Schiavo's life. Tell your legislators to pass HR 1151 and S539, please.)
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To: sinkspur

I have never understood the notion that it is urgent--even at risk of life or limb--to rescue the Blessed Sacrament from fires. Is Jesus in danger of being killed?


16 posted on 03/15/2005 8:05:42 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Well, you make a good point.

Haven't seen you for a while. Welcome back.

17 posted on 03/15/2005 8:10:23 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Arthur McGowan
The answer is obvious: to prevent desecration.
18 posted on 03/15/2005 8:34:56 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Doesn't a desecration of the Host requires a purposeful attack?

After all, doesn't the washing of sacred linens in the sacrarium result in particle of the precious blood being washed down the drain?


19 posted on 03/15/2005 11:20:17 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Doesn't a desecration of the Host requires a purposeful attack?

Even unintentional carelessness is a sinful desecration, as well as a purposeful attack. And apart from any intentionality, desecration is an objective fact, just as the Eucharist is an objective fact which does not rely any the disposition of the communicant for its existence.

After all, doesn't the washing of sacred linens in the sacrarium result in particle of the precious blood being washed down the drain?

(1) The sacrarium drain leads directly into the earth and is not mingled with sewage or water from other sources.

(2) The sacred linens are supposed to be washed until the traces of wine are so diluted as to no longer be wine - since He is only present under the species of wine and bread, when all semblance of wine and bread disappears He is no longer present.

Thus, He is only physically present in the communicant for a few minutes. Also, recall the pious practice of fasting from the evening before Mass and drinking only water for the hour following Mass.

20 posted on 03/15/2005 11:44:19 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: gridlock
But if the Parish Hall next door is any indication, I would not be too hopeful...

Ugh.

21 posted on 03/15/2005 11:46:13 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Well, at least they have a place to celebrate Mass until the main building is repaired.


22 posted on 03/15/2005 12:03:07 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: EODGUY

When St. Agnes Church in NYC burned, we ended up with an even better one! (Of course, that was before Cdl. Egan...)


23 posted on 03/15/2005 2:04:56 PM PST by livius
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To: Arthur McGowan

If we ask the Vatican, they'll say, get out of the building as quickly and safely as possible.


24 posted on 03/15/2005 2:08:24 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: wideawake; sinkspur
Even unintentional carelessness is a sinful desecration, as well as a purposeful attack.

Now this is getting ridiculous. When the Priest accidentally drops a Host on the ground while giving Holy Communion, no desecration or sacrilege has occurred, despite the "unintentional carelessness".

A desecration would be for the Priest to purposely throw the Host to the floor or to step on it ("Then came the unbelievers/who wrecked the House of God/the Sacrament of Jesus/beneath their feet they trod"), or for anti-Catholic bigots to purposefully burn down the Cathedral. OTOH, an electrical fire or lightning strike would not cause a desecration, and the Church would not need to be reconciled afterwards, because no evil had been done. Nor is a Church reconciled after a Host is accidentally dropped.

The sacred linens are supposed to be washed until the traces of wine are so diluted as to no longer be wine - since He is only present under the species of wine and bread, when all semblance of wine and bread disappears He is no longer present.

You cannot make it "so diluted as to no longer be wine". That is a physical impossibility. Wine does not transmorgify itself because a lot of water has been added to it (just like Coors Lite is still vaguely a beer-like substance). Two drops of wine in a barrel of water are still two drops of wine, and can be detected by chemical testing. Two drops of Sarin Gas will kill you. If I splash you with two drops of Sarin and a barrel of water, would you feel better about it?

The sacrarium is a way of disposing of any minute droplets in a respectful way where they can peacefully decompose over time into basic chemical subtances without disturbance. It does not "un-Transubstantiate" the wine.

He is only physically present in the communicant for a few minutes.

Because the physical elements are broken down into something else by the digestive process (namely, into sugars). Dilution with water is not involved - it is a chemical transformation.

Also, recall the pious practice of ... drinking only water for the hour following Mass.

I've never heard of such a thing anywhere, and common practices such as the Easter Vigil feast immediately following Mass, or the Monastic schedule where breakfast immediately follows the conventual Mass put the lie to it. Someone has sold you a bill of goods there I think.

25 posted on 03/16/2005 6:30:11 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: 2banana

I was thinking the same thing as I listened to new reports of this.


26 posted on 03/16/2005 11:26:20 AM PST by Duke Nukum (King had to write, to sing the song of Gan. And I had to read. How else could Roland find the Tower?)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

>> After all, doesn't the washing of sacred linens in the sacrarium result in particle of the precious blood being washed down the drain? <<

Hermann... I saw your name on another thread, realized I hadn't seen you and wondered what you'd been up to. So I went to your page, saw this interesting article and popped here. And I find you asking something ELSE you certainly should know better than to have to ask.

Which makes me ask something seriously I was almost going to say jokingly before:

Are you the same person, or are you the son/wife/friend of the Hermann I knew, using the same screen name, like Ann Landers or Beetle Bailey or Englebert Humperdink?


27 posted on 03/30/2005 11:11:23 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus; sinkspur
And I find you asking something ELSE you certainly should know better than to have to ask.

The dilution of wine with water doesn't make the wine disappear. It dilutes it. We believe that Christ is present in there merest spec or droplet that is still bread or wine. Therefore, the consecrated wine droplets washed off the sacred linenes into the sacrarium are still consecrated wine until such time as they break down into vinegar. Or do you also believe that water is a transmorgifier and can change wine into something else merely by adding enough of it to the wine?

What exactly have you been taught about the Sacrarium? And did you read my #25 here?

The idea of the sacraium is the proper and repsectful disposure of the particles of the sacred species on the linens, not their annhilation.

28 posted on 03/30/2005 7:13:38 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

>> What exactly have you been taught about the Sacrarium? <<

It sounded like you were suggesting that disposing of the washwater was equivalent to pouring the wine out onto the ground!

(two points for the comment about Coors Lite, by the way.)


29 posted on 03/31/2005 7:14:29 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
It sounded like you were suggesting that disposing of the washwater was equivalent to pouring the wine out onto the ground!

If so, that wasn't my intent. My larger point was that there is no sacrilege in not rescuing the sacred species from a fire, although it is certainly pious to do so if there is no risk to oneself.

30 posted on 03/31/2005 12:57:51 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
As usual, arsonist NOT charged with a hate crime.

Bishop Morlino reacts to Cathedral fire

Cathedral fire: Result of arson

31 posted on 04/09/2006 7:06:03 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy, his son & nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: Coleus
During Connell's initial court appearance, his attorney Rhoda Ricciardi said, "I have reason to believe he does not have a rational understanding of why these charges are brought against him." State attorney Jac Heitz described Connell as a transient who was arrested in Oregon in 2003 and Iowa and Illinois in 2005. He was also charged with defrauding an innkeeper in Madison, a case that is still pending.

Our current priest began his ministry as one of the priests serving at the cathedral in Worcester, MA. According to him, about once a week the burglar alarm would go off. It was his duty to go to the cathedral and check things out. Usually it wasn't anyone breaking in, but a bum who had passed out under a pew during the day trying to break out.

32 posted on 04/10/2006 8:08:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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