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Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations
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Posted on 03/15/2005 12:22:27 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations By David Espo The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrats served notice Tuesday that they will slow or stop most Senate business if Republicans unilaterally change the rules to assure confirmation of President Bush's controversial court appointments.

Any such change would mark "an unprecedented abuse of power," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

Reid, the Democratic leader, exempted military and national security legislation from the threat, and said Democrats would not block passage of measures needed to assure continuation of critical government services.

"To shut down the Senate would be irresponsible and partisan," Frist said in swift rebuttal. "The solution is simple: return to 200 years of tradition and allow up or down votes on judges."

The exchange marked the latest development in a long-simmering struggle over Bush's court appointments. Democrats blocked votes on 10 nominees during the last Congress, attacking them as too conservative to warrant lifetime appointments.

Accusing Democrats of obstruction, Republicans sought to make an issue of it in the elections last fall, in which they gained four seats.

Bush has already renominated some of the judges, and Reid has said previously the Democrats' position has not changed.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; dirtyrats; doit; doomsdayoption; govwatch; obstructionistdems; rats; sorelosers; ussenate; winwin
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1 posted on 03/15/2005 12:22:29 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Any such change would mark "an unprecedented abuse of power," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn

Pot. Kettle. Black.

2 posted on 03/15/2005 12:24:01 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Sub-Driver

I thought that the Senate only needed a majority of party members in order vote on bills?

I don't think it requires a majority of BOTH parties.


3 posted on 03/15/2005 12:24:20 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: Sub-Driver

Rush had a great twist on this the other day. Something about it's the dims who changed the rules that set up what we have today. Anybody got the skinny of that?


4 posted on 03/15/2005 12:24:26 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Sub-Driver

That would be too much like having our cake and eating it too!

Paaaahhhhllleeeeesssssseeee shut down the Senate! I love gridlock.


5 posted on 03/15/2005 12:24:28 PM PST by Pylot
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To: Sub-Driver
Democrats served notice Tuesday that they will slow or stop most Senate business...

Will anyone notice? Gee we won't get to see a steroid investigation...zzzzzzzzzzz.

6 posted on 03/15/2005 12:24:42 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Sub-Driver

There is democracy in action - NOT!


7 posted on 03/15/2005 12:24:44 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Sub-Driver

PLEASE GOD LET THEM DO THIS!!!!!!

I can think of nothing else that would work to so completely and utterly destroy what is left of the Commucrat Party.

By all means Mr Senator, go right ahead!


8 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:01 PM PST by frankiep
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To: Sub-Driver
Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations

Well, the Texas State RATS RAN AWAY, LAUGHING TO NEW MEXICO when they wouldn't win a redistricting vote.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE

9 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:18 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Bless them! If the only thing that gets done are appointment confirmations it's a good year. Anything the Senate accomplishes is usually a bad thing. Besides, what's new?


10 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:26 PM PST by yeetch! (Enjoy the good times (these are the good old days)!)
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To: Sub-Driver

If they stop Senate business, they're finished as a party. Americans will remember who shut down the government for no good reason.


11 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:42 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Cat fight! Cat fight!


12 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:52 PM PST by geedee (You're a Patriot when a half-masted Old Glory makes you grieve, and Old Hillary makes you heave.)
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To: Sub-Driver

"Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations"

Stupid RATS, now they are on RECORD telling the American folk to BLAME them for closing down the Senate!!! Bawahahhahahaa!! IDIOTS!! I hope the Pubs take full advantage of those WORDS!!!


13 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:52 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Sub-Driver

Let them strike, even better, lock 'em out. And on the issue of being paid for not doing work...well what else is new?


14 posted on 03/15/2005 12:26:27 PM PST by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Reid, the Democratic leader, exempted military and national security legislation from the threat, and said Democrats would not block passage of measures needed to assure continuation of critical government services

Soooooo....whatever they actually do end up blocking won't be worth spit, anyhow.

15 posted on 03/15/2005 12:26:31 PM PST by TheBigB ("Send lawyers, guns and money; the s*it has hit the fan" ~Warren Zevon)
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To: Bigh4u2

I suppose they could just filibuster all legislation in order to stop the Senate from working? Or would the nuclear option disallow filibuster vetos on everything, not just judicial appointments?


16 posted on 03/15/2005 12:26:54 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Sub-Driver

We the citizens win both ways. No ones life, libery, or property is safe when congress is in session.


17 posted on 03/15/2005 12:26:54 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Sub-Driver

They'll shut down the business of the Government? How dare they stop work on behalf of the people. Obstructionists! What about Grandma's Social Security check? Other critical safety net and national security issues will be left unaddressed! Will we have to send home the good government workers?

(Checking calendar; Yup. Looks like 1996 in reverse to me!)


18 posted on 03/15/2005 12:27:08 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I offer 10 to 1 odds that the Republicans cave.


19 posted on 03/15/2005 12:27:38 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Sub-Driver

NOW is the time to do it. It's an off-election year. JUST DO IT.


20 posted on 03/15/2005 12:28:28 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Lee'sGhost
I think this is what he was talking about.
21 posted on 03/15/2005 12:28:32 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: atomic_dog

you're being generous, sadly.


22 posted on 03/15/2005 12:28:49 PM PST by frankiep
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To: Sub-Driver
Democrats Threaten to Stop Senate Business if GOP Changes Rules on Judge Confirmations

This is why we MUST push the button.

Let 'em do it.

Let us pick up ALL available seats in 2006.

23 posted on 03/15/2005 12:29:23 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Sub-Driver
And the down side of this is?????????

DirtyDoc
24 posted on 03/15/2005 12:29:39 PM PST by DirtyDoc (Been to war once, we should have finished the job. Viet Nam 1967. Beer for my horses.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

"I suppose they could just filibuster all legislation in order to stop the Senate from working?"

That's true. But I would make sure that their 'filibuster' continuous and ON the floor.

Not like they have been doing, and just 'voting' to filibuster.

And no. The 'nuclear' option would not stop them from filibustering anything but Judicial nominations.


25 posted on 03/15/2005 12:29:39 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: Sub-Driver

Let the big babies try. It should help them lose 5 more seats for 06.


26 posted on 03/15/2005 12:30:12 PM PST by demlosers (We win. They lose. USA number 1 ! IYAAYAS !)
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To: Sub-Driver

You mean shut down the government like the mean, evil Republicans did? Go for it!


27 posted on 03/15/2005 12:30:22 PM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: frankiep

AMEN......


28 posted on 03/15/2005 12:30:31 PM PST by BMC1
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To: TheBigB
Soooooo....whatever they actually do end up blocking won't be worth spit, anyhow.

Like, say, Social Security reform and a gay marriage amendment?

29 posted on 03/15/2005 12:30:43 PM PST by nyg4168
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To: Spktyr
If they stop Senate business, they're finished as a party. Americans will remember who shut down the government for no good reason.

Especially if the Senate Republicans introduce bills for votes with names like "Saving the retired people's pensions" bill or "Make America Clean" Bill....you get the point.

30 posted on 03/15/2005 12:31:05 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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It’s time for "an unprecedented abuse of power,"

That will be the next note attached; when I reply with an empty GOP fund raising letter.

That’s right NRCC; no tickie, no laundry.

31 posted on 03/15/2005 12:31:34 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: Sub-Driver
When the house did this under Gingrich, the Republicans lost the battle in the press and in the court of public opinion. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Will the NYTimes & Wa Post savage the rats? (I think not)
32 posted on 03/15/2005 12:31:42 PM PST by Drango (All my ideas, good or bad, are stolen from other FReepers)
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To: Sub-Driver

good


33 posted on 03/15/2005 12:31:56 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Look! Jimmy Carter! History's greatest monster!)
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To: atomic_dog
I offer 10 to 1 odds that the Republicans cave.

Sadly, unless Frist has bigger balls than anyone imagines, you may be right.

There is always the possibility that the 'Rats will overplay their hand so badly that the Republicans will indeed amend the rules to cease the filibustering on judicial nominees, and if the 'Rats try to shut down the Senate?

Have the Sergeant at Arms remove them from the Senate chamber, Vice President Cheney (as President of the Senate) rules on a motion to censure the 'Rats, they are effectively expelled from the Senate, and viola:

No more obstructionism.

OK, I admit - probably not the most realistic outcome, but hey - I can dream can't I?
34 posted on 03/15/2005 12:32:02 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Lee'sGhost

It's absolutely true and guess who led the charge? None other than Robert "KKK - I AM the economy of West Virginia" Byrd; and he has done so four times in his "illustrious" career in the United States Senate.


35 posted on 03/15/2005 12:32:24 PM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: Sub-Driver

Stopping Senate business = GOOD thing!


36 posted on 03/15/2005 12:32:43 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: frankiep

My thoughts exactly...............GO AHEAD.........MAKE MY DAY. DO it!


37 posted on 03/15/2005 12:32:50 PM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: atomic_dog

No bet.


38 posted on 03/15/2005 12:33:00 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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39 posted on 03/15/2005 12:33:01 PM PST by demlosers (We win. They lose. USA number 1 ! IYAAYAS !)
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To: atomic_dog

"I offer 10 to 1 odds that the Republicans cave."

No bet.


40 posted on 03/15/2005 12:33:14 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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41 posted on 03/15/2005 12:33:28 PM PST by pabianice
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To: SandyInSeattle

DEMOCRAT TANTRUM ALERT!!!!


42 posted on 03/15/2005 12:33:52 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years....Nec Aspera Terrent!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Call their bluff, they are the ones who will look ridiculous. The American people will not side with a party that stops all business so they can filibuster the president's right to have up and down votes on nominees. Besides, this filibuster crap is the only thing they have left. They are irrelevant. Do it. Go nuclear!
43 posted on 03/15/2005 12:34:02 PM PST by IrishGOP
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To: Spktyr

Hm. Actually, they *can't* stop Senate business by leaving. In order to conduct serious business, the Senate must have a quorum. That's 51 Senators present.

We have 55.

Go ahead and leave, boys and girls. While you're gone, we'll pass all the bills you didn't want to have passed. (See the Korean War, and what happened when the Soviets left the Security Council.)


44 posted on 03/15/2005 12:34:05 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Reid and his ilk are so trying to convolute the idea of a minority being the majority. The democrat rule book reminds me of my first year in accounting class. I learned, and the democrats have obviously adopted, that if something doesn't fit, or if you don't like the outcome, start a new page and put it there. That method always assures a winning scenario.
45 posted on 03/15/2005 12:34:06 PM PST by whereasandsoforth
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Harry Reid, make my day. Go ahead. Shut down the senate and finish off your dying party for good.


46 posted on 03/15/2005 12:34:42 PM PST by katieanna (Fear Not. Believe Only.)
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"Any such change would mark 'an unprecedented abuse of power,' Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn."

Cripes. They say that when Dubya accidentally leaves the toilet seat up, too.

But, this certainly stays the course of the 109th Congress being the one that wastes our money the fastest to date!

Do. Your. D@mn. Jobs.


47 posted on 03/15/2005 12:34:45 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Sub-Driver

What are these lunatics going to attempt when they don't have 40 Senators any more? I redict they will take hostages.and lock themselves in the cloak room (why do they need so many cloaks any way?)


48 posted on 03/15/2005 12:34:56 PM PST by RobFromGa (Bush Needs to Stay Aggressive in Term 2)
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To: Sub-Driver

Is Reid prepared to scratch Frist's eyes out too?


50 posted on 03/15/2005 12:35:45 PM PST by NRA1995 ("Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steelers fan & Ah think yer gonna fin'lly understand")
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