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BTK SUSPECT IN THE AIR FORCE: Rader's tour of duty
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 16MAR2005 | Tim Potter

Posted on 03/16/2005 5:13:56 AM PST by QwertyKPH

In the years before 1974 -- the year police say Dennis Rader started killing in Wichita -- his Air Force service took him all over the map, military records show. Police in at least two of the U.S. cities where Rader was stationed will check their archives of unsolved homicides from the 1960s to see whether they could be linked to the BTK killings, officials said Tuesday.

Rader, 60, was charged March 1 with 10 counts of first-degree murder for killings attributed to the serial killer in Wichita and Park City from 1974 to 1991.

Rader's Air Force records, which The Eagle obtained through a federal Freedom of Information Act request, provide a small window into his military experience before he married in 1971 and settled in the Wichita suburb of Park City.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: airforce; btk; rader; serialkiller; unsolvedmurder; wichita
Comparison of Rader's military service to his first victim (Otero) finds no links. Also no unsolved murders attributed to Rader - yet. I hope he gets the chair.



1 posted on 03/16/2005 5:13:57 AM PST by QwertyKPH
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To: QwertyKPH

Kansas did not have a death penalty when murders took place.


2 posted on 03/16/2005 5:24:52 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

True.


3 posted on 03/16/2005 5:26:50 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: QwertyKPH
I hope he gets the chair.

While I am not against capital punishment, I am against them killing these highly proficent serial murderers. I wan't them studied and kept in isolation for the rest of their natural lives to see if we can learn something.

Ted Bundy should never have been executed, IMO. If Charles Manson could escape it...why not Bundy?

4 posted on 03/16/2005 5:29:10 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: MEG33

Maybe they will find a case in a state that did!


5 posted on 03/16/2005 5:33:46 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Yeah - I know. But wishful thinking nonetheless.


6 posted on 03/16/2005 5:33:57 AM PST by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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To: QwertyKPH
If the media can get his military records through FOIA, then why can't they get sKerry's military record?
7 posted on 03/16/2005 5:34:38 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: DCPatriot
I am against them killing these highly proficent serial murderers. I wan't them studied and kept in isolation for the rest of their natural lives to see if we can learn something.

Read "Mindhunter" or log on to crimelibrary.com.

Serial killers have been thoroughly studied. They kill because it satisfies them and because they have no regard for other human beings. Ted Bundy said that he never felt guilt, that he felt sorry for people who did feel guilt.

Such creatures are too dangerous to have around, even locked up. Execute them.

8 posted on 03/16/2005 5:36:20 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: QwertyKPH

WE can hope. I was stationed in Wichita at McConnell AFB when he commited the murder of the family in 74.


9 posted on 03/16/2005 5:37:11 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: LibKill

The best way for these killers to give society at least something beneficialis to unleash them against the terrorists. Maybe we could turn them into interrogators terrorists would fear. Itwould laos satisfy their desires.


10 posted on 03/16/2005 5:40:32 AM PST by Moderate right-winger (BEWARE of 2006 and 2008)
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To: DCPatriot
I wan't them studied and kept in isolation for the rest of their natural lives to see if we can learn something.

That's a tough one. I can appreciate the merits of studying them. However, justice (in whatever form) should be the first priority.

An aside; In my opinion, proficient serial killers seem to have a commonality. That is a belief in their own superiority and intelligence over law enforcement. They all seem to relish in their duping authorities.

With that in mind, how can they be studied? It would seem to me that they would continue their mind games - especially once incarcerated. Instantly they have nothing beter to do other than thinking, planning and rehearsing.

11 posted on 03/16/2005 5:41:51 AM PST by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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To: Gunrunner2

You got me on that one.


12 posted on 03/16/2005 5:42:34 AM PST by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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To: QwertyKPH; Gunrunner2

Not only that, it only took a couple weeks to get them apparently.

Me confused.


13 posted on 03/16/2005 5:56:47 AM PST by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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To: QwertyKPH
"It would seem to me that they would continue their mind games - especially once incarcerated. "

Reminds me of Bundy. Right before his excution, IIRC, he started talking about how pornography was the root of his evil, in hopes they would stay his execution. Didn't work.

Watching how they play their mind games is, in itself, very telling of the mind of the serial killer. Glean all the info, then let justice take its course.

14 posted on 03/16/2005 5:57:34 AM PST by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: Gefreiter

Yeah. . .I requested a FOIA on a simple Air Force contract and it took 2-months.


15 posted on 03/16/2005 5:57:48 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: DCPatriot

The "something" that we know is that some people just choose evil and in doing so become evil


16 posted on 03/16/2005 6:00:39 AM PST by apackof2 (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: DCPatriot
Why "study" them for the rest of their lives rather than execute them?

Society will learn nothing more other than they're all psychopaths and/or are just evil.....which we already know.

Why provide steady (taxpayer-paid) income for expensive shrinks nationwide to "analyze" and "study" these sadists up till the time they shuffle off this mortal coil on their own.....maybe not until they're in their eighties.

Leni

17 posted on 03/16/2005 6:07:45 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: DCPatriot

While I support capital punnishment, I like the study them idea. Since the state could put them to death, why not give them the choice to give something back to society by allowing the state to study them or to use them for research. Brain scans, experimental drug testing, you name it. It would be volutary on their part (as opposed to their victims), but at least they could do something productive with their lives beyond dying.


18 posted on 03/16/2005 6:15:20 AM PST by GBA
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To: MinuteGal
Well we keep monkeys etc., in controlled environments to learn...we keep dolphins and killer whales too.

Seems to me that serial killers who have the capacity to be presidents of church organizations and who could possible by your next door neighbor or scout troop leader have value alive.

Once their usefulness is complete...ie, when they are on their death bed, I have no problem with them propped up and shot like they used to do in Utah...to that guy Gary something or other.

19 posted on 03/16/2005 6:17:30 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: MinuteGal

There's little to be learned from these monsters that we don't already know. But if we keep them alive long enough, some judge will discover some new "right" and let them out.


20 posted on 03/16/2005 6:45:48 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: QwertyKPH
I believe German authorities were able to clear one or more homocides after Dahmer was caught...he had served in Europe as an Army MP.

Likewise, David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) had served in Korea, and while I don't believe there were any suspected homocides, John Douglas, after extensive interviews with him, believes that several of his behaviors and pathologies were refined or forged there....

21 posted on 03/16/2005 6:51:34 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Gunrunner2

Because they aren't trying?


22 posted on 03/16/2005 6:56:20 AM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: eyespysomething

Yeah. . . who would have thought that. . .with the media being dedicated to the TRUTH and all that.


23 posted on 03/16/2005 7:06:00 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: QwertyKPH

<< Rader's Air Force records, which The Eagle obtained through a federal Freedom of Information Act request .... >>

So why don't we have John Khon-Kerry's records?

The ones with the less than honorable discharge that was reversed by the [Other] traitor, Jimmah Cartah?

[And that he promised Tim Russert seven weeks ago that he would release?]


25 posted on 03/16/2005 8:46:47 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; QwertyKPH

<< Kansas did not have a death penalty when murders took place. >>

Hence the via-the-AF-Records search for some place that had!


26 posted on 03/16/2005 8:48:28 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: Brian Allen

Yes and I hope they find something.


27 posted on 03/16/2005 9:07:48 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: QwertyKPH
Rader's Air Force records, which The Eagle obtained through a federal Freedom of Information Act request

They can get his records, but not Kerry's, wonder why.

28 posted on 03/16/2005 7:06:54 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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