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John Kerry and the Sub-Media Culture (says news arbitrator needed)
GoGov ^ | March 6, 2005 | Russell Betts

Posted on 03/16/2005 11:17:28 AM PST by BJungNan

 

John Kerry and the Sub-Media Culture
by Russell Betts (March 16, 2005)

We don't have any illusions that Senator John Kerry was talking specifically about us or that he is even aware of these pages. We are just a small part in a much larger group of new news outlets that John Kerry has just labeled a sub-media culture, a sub culture he does not find to his liking and that he says needs to be controlled.

Speaking at an event at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston. last February, Kerry complained about us and the thousands of others in internet news. What he said is shocking only if you believe Kerry words could ever put this new information age back in the bottle. 

"We learned," Kerry said to the gathering, "that the mainstream media, over the course of the last year, did a pretty good job of discerning. But there's a subculture and a sub-media that talks and keeps things going for entertainment purposes rather than for the flow of information. And that has a profound impact and undermines what we call the mainstream media of the country. And so the decision-making ability of the American electorate has been profoundly impacted as a consequence of that. The question is, what are we going to do about it?"  

What Senator Kerry would like to do about it is to shut us all up. But he can't say that publicly. What he did say publicly, though, is just as shocking. "When fear is dominating the discussion and when there are false choices presented and there is no arbitrator, we have a problem," said Kerry.

In case you missed that, Kerry says the problem is the lack of an arbitrator to control the dissemination of news. He did not say who or what that arbitrator should be, only that we have a problem because there is not one.

The "sub-media" is a problem for Kerry because the mainstream media is no longer in control to silence groups like the Swift Boat Vets by ignoring them and denying them coverage. Or to keep stories quiet like we chronicled about Kerry's lead in outsourcing trade missions to China in the late 1990's in conjunction with a Boston company boasting over 70 outsourcing projects - at the same time we were reporting on this, his preferred news disseminators were dutifully printing Kerry's campaign speeches calling for an end to outsourcing without a word of Kerry's involvement in the very thing he was speaking against.

Surely the problem Kerry sees is that stories run by Dan Rather, The New York Times and the other media giants favorable to him are being knocked down as false by internet newsgroups calling themselves FreeRepublic, Powerline, and Little Green Footballs.

The problem for Kerry is that he could not count on the mainstream media as the only information gatekeeper in his bid to take the presidency. A recent study that showed the mainstream news coverage was much harder on Bush is no doubt the reason why Kerry sees it as a problem that the mainstream media is no longer the only game in town, one that for the most part is a game in his favor.

What is sub-culture to Kerry are the internet news outlets that report what the mainstream media will not and expose what the mainstream media fabricates. It is you by the millions that increasingly rely on internet news for at least a part of the news you take in. Kerry does not like this new sub-culture. He does not like you having access to it. Says Kerry, "It is a problem," a problem in need of an arbitrator, an arbitrator "to protect the decision-making ability of the American electorate."

It's a problem to Kerry that the only arbitrator is now you.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: internetnews; kerry

1 posted on 03/16/2005 11:17:28 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
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Any day now.....

2 posted on 03/16/2005 11:19:17 AM PST by MarineBrat ("God is dead"- Nietzsche,1886. "Nietzsche is dead"- God,1901)
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To: BJungNan

Communists want freedom of speech only for themselves. Changing things does not make Kerry any less of a traitor!


3 posted on 03/16/2005 11:19:55 AM PST by Owl558 (Please excuse my spelling)
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To: BJungNan
Of course a statist like Kerry is going to seek bureaucratic revenge on us "Pajamahadeen" -- we cost him the presidency.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

4 posted on 03/16/2005 11:20:21 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: BJungNan
John, haven't seen that form 180 yet. Liar!
5 posted on 03/16/2005 11:20:22 AM PST by rocksblues (Rino's = Collins, Snowe, DeWine, Graham, Specter, Coleman, McCain, Chaffee developing)
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To: BJungNan
The MSM's Information Monopoly has been broken - now everyone can find out what a Fraud Kerry is. And all he can do is whine like a little beotch about it. Thank God that LOSER is not running the country.
6 posted on 03/16/2005 11:21:54 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: BJungNan
We learned," Kerry said to the gathering, "that the mainstream subculture and the sub-media , over the course of the last year, did a pretty good job of discerning. But there's a subculture and a sub-media the mainstream media talks and keeps things going for entertainment purposes rather than for the flow of information.

Seems to me that stupid Johnny has it 180 degrees out of phase

7 posted on 03/16/2005 11:23:18 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: BJungNan
"...Kerry says the problem is the lack of an arbitrator to control the dissemination of news."

How about his guys? He has OTJ experience...

"All your news are belong to us!"

8 posted on 03/16/2005 11:36:22 AM PST by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135, Class of '68)
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To: Chinito

oops...his guys = this guy


9 posted on 03/16/2005 11:37:52 AM PST by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135, Class of '68)
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To: BJungNan
The days of having biased and nonfactual "news" rammed down our throats is over. And, as usual, Kerry fails or refuses to acknowledge it. He still thinks that his stirring speeches should be sufficient for our needs. Idiot.
10 posted on 03/16/2005 11:40:06 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: BJungNan
We're not pajama people anymore, now we are sub-media.

:-)

11 posted on 03/16/2005 11:40:45 AM PST by george wythe
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To: BJungNan

Democrats are perpetual whiners. I have never seen one group of people go out of their way to change the rules of a game as much as these people do. Whether it was the election fiasco in Florida, the Judicial nomination process or this latest media arbitration idea...once Democrats have no use for the current system (i.e. they begin losing), they want to change it.

If they had their way, we no longer would have the electoral college; we would need a super-majority in the Senate to get Judges approved and the media would need moderators. It's astounding to watch the limits these people will go, to regain power...including literally rewriting our Constitution.


12 posted on 03/16/2005 11:42:54 AM PST by cwb
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To: BJungNan

The longer Kerry waits to open his 180 the more difficult to run again.
Kerry needs to put space between revealing his deeds including the heroic ones, that can help him overcome such a news release.
Give the media time to do what what needs to be done to make Kerry presentable again.


13 posted on 03/16/2005 11:52:13 AM PST by hermgem
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To: george wythe

14 posted on 03/16/2005 11:57:06 AM PST by BJungNan (Have a look at GoGov.com)
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To: BJungNan

Hey Horseface, 44 days ago you told the mainstream press (Russert) that you'd sign the Form 180. Shut up until you sign it you hypocrite, in fact, shut up , period.


15 posted on 03/16/2005 11:58:38 AM PST by Big Digger (I)
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To: MarineBrat

He sounds like the same John Kerry but for some reason he looks different.

16 posted on 03/16/2005 11:59:52 AM PST by BJungNan (Have a look at GoGov.com)
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To: george wythe

No, the sub-media are a group of people who cover submarines in the media for a living.

The Pajamahadeem are the guys who led the charge
to whip Kerry's butt.


17 posted on 03/16/2005 12:03:51 PM PST by righttackle44
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To: BJungNan

During the campaign the Kerry people did their absolute best to suppress the alternate media, going so far as to threaten news outlets with litigation if they showed the Swiftvets' ads and threatening movie theaters that had the temerity to think about showing "Stolen Valor." If he, or another totalitarian monster like him (think PIAPS), ever becomes POTUS, what's left of the First Amendment will be promptly flushed down the nearest toilet. Then we'll all have "free speech" equivalent to the "academic freedom" enjoyed by Ward Churchill and Larry Summers, administered according to the same rules (free speech for Marxists and no speech for anybody else).


18 posted on 03/16/2005 12:25:21 PM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper
During the campaign the Kerry people did their absolute best to suppress the alternate media, going so far as to threaten news outlets with litigation if they showed the Swiftvets' ads and threatening movie theaters that had the temerity to think about showing "Stolen Valor."

I forgot about this. Scary.

19 posted on 03/16/2005 12:41:03 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

I really don't see how he could have sworn to uphold the Constitution, since he so hates the First Amendment.


20 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:12 PM PST by libstripper
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To: george wythe

"We're not pajama people anymore, now we are sub-media."

But can we still eat subs sitting at our computers in our pajamas? That's the important question, LOL!

Sour grapes soon to turn to "whine" by Kerry nad the DimoWits. I am SO glad we dodged the double bullets of him and Teh-RA-zah. *SHIVER*


21 posted on 03/16/2005 12:47:29 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
But can we still eat subs sitting at our computers in our pajamas?

Speaking of subs, I'm going to fix me one right now.

22 posted on 03/16/2005 12:56:17 PM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe

"Speaking of subs, I'm going to fix me one right now."

Since you're going...would you grab me a light beer on your way back? Thanks! :)


23 posted on 03/16/2005 1:00:27 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: BJungNan

not so good when you can't control the msm eh? Well, Johnny get used to it. It's a new era, a new world and a new generation of news reporters out there and guess what? They aren't gonna kiss your arse! Get used to it cause they are here to stay. It's a free country and you nor the dem/libs don't much like it when they aren't in charge. Ha,ha,ha....this guy is one solid joke.


24 posted on 03/16/2005 1:06:36 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: BJungNan

Democrats should have outlawed voting while they had the chance.

Too late now.


25 posted on 03/16/2005 1:46:05 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: BJungNan

Just like Al Gore in 2000....John Kerry has gone over the deep end!!!!


26 posted on 03/16/2005 2:37:56 PM PST by TexanByBirth
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To: cwb
I believe it was Kruschev who said "We will bury you" and "we will take your country without firing a shot".

Kerry is living proof that they are still trying.
27 posted on 03/16/2005 2:48:57 PM PST by LowInMo ("The tree of liberty must occasionally be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.")
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To: cubreporter
Although I agree with your sentiment, what about Mc'Drools Campaign Finance Reform?

"It can't happen here" is a fools dream.
28 posted on 03/16/2005 2:52:00 PM PST by LowInMo ("The tree of liberty must occasionally be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.")
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To: TexanByBirth
Just like Al Gore in 2000....John Kerry has gone over the deep end!!!!

I think that is what happens when these guys are so fixated on becoming president their entire lives. Only I don't think Kerry has gone as far off the deep end as Gore did. Not yet at least.

29 posted on 03/16/2005 6:21:30 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
In case you missed that, Kerry says the problem is the lack of an arbitrator to control the dissemination of news>

In World War II the Germans had an arbitrator of the news. His name was Goebbels. Perhaps this is the type of media Mr. Kerry yearns for??

30 posted on 03/16/2005 9:12:22 PM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: LowInMo

true...very true.


31 posted on 03/17/2005 9:49:13 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: BJungNan
Heh JF Kerry - a man who took an oath, I believe to uphold the constitution - which part of the below don't you understand?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; >or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
32 posted on 03/17/2005 9:55:19 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: cpdiii; All


33 posted on 03/17/2005 10:02:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: cpdiii; BJungNan; All


Future 9th circuit interpritation of the 1st amendment.

"The original intent of the founders was to provide full political speech for professional journalists. Citizens who engage in recreational political speech are protected by access to professional journalists and thus the government has a reasonable interest in limiting recreational political speech in favore of professional political speech.

In looking to resources outside the US constitution such as the EU constitution. We see that the trend of governing bodies around the world have included such limitations on individual speech in favor of the collective right of society to promote professional journalism. The United States must take note of such international precidents in order to harmonize US law with the global society.

Permitting individual free speech on the internet, particularly unfettered individual comentary and reaction to professional journalist articles is tantamount to yelling fire in a crowded theater. Such instantaneous critique of political articles is contrary to the vision of the foundes who would have only been able to envision response times of days if not weeks. There is no fundamental right to instant free speech without appropriant contemplation or editorial review.

Citizens have always had the leters to the editor to respond and broadcast media have taken up the tradition via reading letters to them at the end of their broadcasts. Society has an interest in having those letters pass through a professional review process. It levels the review field of amanature journalists by providing them access to the editorial review process.

Therefore we find that the internet forums and blogs which are maintained by and permit posting by non-professional journalists do no have a first amendment right as envisioned by the founding fathers."


Just a thought...


34 posted on 03/17/2005 10:03:30 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: BJungNan

I nominate Ann Coulter as media arbitrating czar.


35 posted on 03/17/2005 10:05:45 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Rush was just talking about this today. Played the quotes of Kerry. Rush had a good take on the "sub-media". Kerry in a swift boat taken down by shots fired from under the water by a sub. Ok, sounded funnier when he said it.


36 posted on 03/17/2005 10:53:24 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

Kerry has to run for his senate seat again in '06. Sounds as if he's already worried.


37 posted on 03/17/2005 10:55:48 AM PST by hershey
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To: BJungNan

"Only I don't think Kerry has gone as far off the deep end as Gore did. Not yet at least."
Can we help with a little push?
Point, John Kerry did not and will not have the leadership skills to be POTUS proven by his blaming everyone else for HIS failures.


38 posted on 03/17/2005 11:04:36 AM PST by griswold3
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Rush was just talking about this today. Played the quotes of Kerry. Rush had a good take on the "sub-media". Kerry in a swift boat taken down by shots fired from under the water by a sub. Ok, sounded funnier when he said it.


39 posted on 03/17/2005 11:09:17 AM PST by BJungNan
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