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Environmental activist displays new colors
Eureka Times-Standard ^ | March 15, 2005 | Dave Rosso

Posted on 03/16/2005 12:18:44 PM PST by Squawk 8888

FORTUNA -- Patrick Moore spent 15 years being arrested for causes he felt strongly about, doing things he now labels environmental extremism.

Moore, founding member of Greenpeace, spoke at the annual dinner Saturday of The Buckeye Conservancy, a nonprofit organization made up of more than 200 family, individual and commercial memberships representing more than 300,000 acres of forests and ranch land in Humboldt County.

"There's a lot of opinion in the environmental movement," Moore told the crowd of about 180 people packed into the River Lodge. "I support 100 percent any group that comes together and brings people from all communities ... to sit down and talk ... trying to find consensus. There are many, many points of view."

Born in the Vancouver, Canada, rain forest, Moore said he became "a born-again ecologist" and in the late 1960s founded Greenpeace, the international organization that uses non-violent direct action to expose global environmental problems.

But about 15 years later he "decided I would like to be in favor of something for a change."

"I made the transition from politics of confrontation, telling people what they should stop doing, to the politics of trying to find consensus on what we should do instead," he said.

He now heads an organization called Greenspirit, "a network of people who celebrate the human spirit in the context of our place in the natural world and Earth's own evolutionary journey."

The environmental activists of today, Moore said, practice "environmental extremism" and have a "zero tolerance policy."

The audience broke into prolonged applause when Moore said environmental activists "use green language in a clever way to cloak agendas that have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than anything to do with science or ecology."

A contradiction in their philosophy, he said, was an anti-globalization protester he once saw wearing a cardboard sign that read: "Join the worldwide struggle against globalization."

Moore touched on a number of subjects during his hour-long speech, but the ones that hit closest to home included genetically modified organisms, salmon farming and forestry and timber.

"Genetically modified organisms. I call them genetically enhanced organisms," Moore said. "It means an improvement is being made. All the advancements in genetically enhanced technology are improvements."

An example, he said, is genetically modified rice that has had vitamin A introduced into the grains.

"Half a million kids go blind each year in parts of the world because of vitamin A deficiency," Moore said, adding that the vitamin A enhanced rice could prevent that.

But the rice has not been planted, he said, because of its "possible unknown negative effects."

This, he said, "is the precautionary principle because we don't know for sure ... . It is being totally misused."

Moore said genetically enhanced foods reduce pesticides, reduce soil erosion, increase production by using less land, improve human health and nutrition, "and there is no known damage."

Moore called aquaculture, or fish farming, "the future of protein in this world."

Yet, he said, there is "a huge and concerted campaign by environmental activists to destroy the industry of salmon farming in British Columbia and around the world."

Not everyone agrees with Moore. Tim McKay of the Northcoast Environmental Center, interviewed by phone Monday, took exception to a number of Moore's points, saying, "There are extremists of every kind. There are Realtor extremists, just plain greedy people and zealots."

McKay also said, "I have a lot of trouble with fish farming. You put half a million salmon in a pen, they create a lot of waste that drains into the estuary."

But on Saturday, Moore hit another nerve with his audience when he said, "California imports 70 percent of its lumber for construction and other purposes from other places and then locks up all its own forests and makes rules so people can't use the trees here in this state."

When the applause died down, Moore said this policy is "exporting the destruction of forests to other places like Canada. Well, keep it up. I'm from Canada, we love it. Keep buying our timber because we have good rules for forestry up there."

He said it is a myth that cutting forests depletes the forest acreage in the United States, saying forests cover about as much land in the United States and Canada as they did 100 years ago.

There is so much forestry "because we use so much wood," Moore said, "and that is sending a signal to the marketplace to plant more trees and produce more wood."

"As long as the demand for wood is strong and steady, land owners will keep their land forested in order to supply the demand," Moore said, adding, "It is a 100 percent win-win situation for the environment and the economy and yet activists today tell us the way to save the forests is to stop using wood."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: econuts; envrironment; globalwarminghoax; greenpeace; greenspirit; patrickmoore; radicalleftists

1 posted on 03/16/2005 12:18:45 PM PST by Squawk 8888
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To: farmfriend

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2 posted on 03/16/2005 12:19:11 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: Squawk 8888
The audience broke into prolonged applause when Moore said environmental activists "use green language in a clever way to cloak agendas that have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than anything to do with science or ecology."

Applause, Applause.

3 posted on 03/16/2005 12:22:26 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Squawk 8888
He now heads an organization called Greenspirit, "a network of people who celebrate the human spirit in the context of our place in the natural world and Earth's own evolutionary journey."

Translated into practical English means "a network of people who like to smoke pot." :-)

However, on a serious note, he's right when he said: today's environmental activists "use green language in a clever way to cloak agendas that have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than anything to do with science or ecology."

4 posted on 03/16/2005 12:23:11 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Squawk 8888

"Join the worldwide struggle against globalization."


LOL


5 posted on 03/16/2005 12:32:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Squawk 8888

Enviro-ping


6 posted on 03/16/2005 12:38:50 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: GreenFreeper; editor-surveyor

Enviro-ping
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7 posted on 03/16/2005 12:39:35 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Squawk 8888
in their philosophy, he said, was an anti-globalization protester he once saw wearing a cardboard sign that read: "Join the worldwide struggle against globalization."

That is a great tagline........

8 posted on 03/16/2005 12:43:20 PM PST by Red Badger (The South seceded over refusal to end slavery. Blue states want to secede for the same reason......)
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To: Red Badger

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9 posted on 03/16/2005 12:46:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Translated into practical English means "a network of people who like to smoke pot." :-)

LOL...by the way, did you know that an acre of hemp produces more cellulose fiber than an acre of trees? Hmmmmmmmm. Cooincidence? I think not.

10 posted on 03/16/2005 12:47:27 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Airplanes are interesting toys, but of no military value"-Ferdinand Foch, French War College, 1911)
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To: Squawk 8888
I'm pretty farmiliar with Patrick Moore's beliefs and ideas, I used to cite him when I would argue with one of my left wing idiot liberal teachers when I was going for my MBA.

He's still a liberal, but he is not of the socialist variety, and he loathes what greenpeace is today, he's more into science and the free market in his thinking, so he does sound conservative to alot of folks, for this he is often cursed and threatened.

He has also made some very interesting accusations against greenpeace over the years, that if true, should warrant a federal investigation.

11 posted on 03/16/2005 12:48:11 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Translated into practical English means "a network of people who like to smoke pot." :-)

I've read some of the articles he's written over the years, about why he left greenpeace and founded another organization (greenspirit), he's right in that greenpeace is a anti-science bunch of socialist who have no understanding of the free markets and have hijacked the enviornmental movement, but his other accusations, are essentially criminal charges against greenpeace, and I for one, do think, that somone should probe greenpeace to see if there is any truth to some of charges.

12 posted on 03/16/2005 12:51:16 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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LOL...by the way, did you know that an acre of hemp produces more cellulose fiber than an acre of trees? Hmmmmmmmm. Cooincidence? I think not.

You would have to smoke 2000 pounds of industrial hemp to get the same amount of THC (the chemical that produces the "high") that is in one marijuana cigarette. While it has the wrong advocates, industrial hemp is not a bad agricultural product. At some point, legitimate agricultural organizations such as Farm Bureau are going to back the crop and you will see it legalized once again.

13 posted on 03/16/2005 12:52:46 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Sonny M
I've read some of the articles he's written over the years, about why he left greenpeace and founded another organization (greenspirit), he's right in that greenpeace is a anti-science bunch of socialist who have no understanding of the free markets and have hijacked the enviornmental movement, but his other accusations, are essentially criminal charges against greenpeace, and I for one, do think, that somone should probe greenpeace to see if there is any truth to some of charges.

I agree wholeheartedly. The original environmental activists were not bad people. Their hearts were truly in the right place and much of what they advocated needed to be done (and much has been). But, in the late '60's - early -70's, the environmental movement was hijacked by the former hippies who rebelled against everything western.

Let's not forget that many of the original environmental activists were also stalwarts in the Republican Party . . . Theodore Roosevelt, Gifford Pinchot, etc.

14 posted on 03/16/2005 12:57:18 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
You would have to smoke 2000 pounds of industrial hemp...

I'll get started on that right away. I'll hafta make a few more of them Marley-sized reefers...

15 posted on 03/16/2005 1:00:55 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Airplanes are interesting toys, but of no military value"-Ferdinand Foch, French War College, 1911)
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To: Squawk 8888
Greenpeace = Lazy people who will do just enough to prevent productive people from accomplishing anything, thus hiding their own laziness.


16 posted on 03/16/2005 1:01:40 PM PST by Niteranger68 ("I am not a conservative because I am successful; I am successful because I am a conservative.")
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To: Sonny M
I'm pretty farmiliar with Patrick Moore's beliefs and ideas, I used to cite him when I would argue with one of my left wing idiot liberal teachers when I was going for my MBA.

I have followed him too. It is wonderful he has used reason too perceive the "truth" about environmental issues. He main theme in speeches is how Greenpeace and org like that are anti-Capitalist. It is good he is on our side. Greenpeace are a bunch of freaks. The environmental movement is at it's core totalitarian and truly damaging to the environment.

17 posted on 03/16/2005 1:02:16 PM PST by liberty2004
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
industrial hemp is not a bad agricultural product

There are some hemp growers in Ontario (IIRC the USA is the only country that bans it) and their biggest problem is security. Too many dumb@$$es think it's pot and try to steal it from the fields.

18 posted on 03/16/2005 1:05:28 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: cripplecreek

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19 posted on 03/16/2005 1:06:26 PM PST by Yehuda (AMERICA: LAND OF THE FREE, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL!......


20 posted on 03/16/2005 1:06:51 PM PST by Red Badger (The South seceded over refusal to end slavery. Blue states want to secede for the same reason......)
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To: tubebender

FYI, and do you have any more on his speech.


21 posted on 03/16/2005 1:15:33 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Squawk 8888
There are some hemp growers in Ontario (IIRC the USA is the only country that bans it) and their biggest problem is security. Too many dumb@$$es think it's pot and try to steal it from the fields.

And you know the funniest thing? There is no quicker way to eradicate marijuana than plant industrial hemp near it. They cross-pollenate (sp?) and the industrial hemp essentially overtakes the marijuana and reduces the THC levels.

22 posted on 03/16/2005 1:21:50 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: cripplecreek; Red Badger

Help us stamp out modern technology at Luddite.org


23 posted on 03/16/2005 1:22:17 PM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: Squawk 8888
Greenpeace, the international organization that uses non-violent direct action to expose global environmental problems.

Playing chicken with Navy ships in restricted waters is hardly "nonviolent."

24 posted on 03/16/2005 1:26:25 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Squawk 8888

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25 posted on 03/16/2005 1:58:55 PM PST by ocr1
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To: Squawk 8888

One of the big problems is Greenpeace was taken over by the KGB in the 70s
Like a number of other groups. The founders had a good cause and just concerns. Then others (like the KGB) seen how they could hijack it and use it to there advantage.


26 posted on 03/16/2005 11:00:02 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Billthedrill

That line stood our for me, too, but such bias in the media is so ubiquitous that I usually filter it out as background noise. Kinda like all the reporters casually tossing in assertions that carbon dioxide is cooking the planet.


27 posted on 03/17/2005 6:33:37 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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