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THE QUARTET IN PARIS: SEARCHING FOR A COUNTERBALANCE TO AMERICA?
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Posted on 03/18/2005 7:28:24 AM PST by Alex Marko

MOSCOW (RIA Novosti political commentator Vladimir Simonov) - Europe's Trio - France, Germany and Russia - is becoming a Quartet. French President Jacques Chirac invited not only Chancellor Schroeder and President Putin to the March 18 summit in Paris, but also Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the prime minister of Spain.

In the past few years, the Trio met to the sounds of bombing in Iraq as a united group that condemned the war and worried over America's disdain for international law. In this sense, the addition of Spain looks logical. The coming to power of a new Social-Democratic government radically changed Madrid's attitude to the Iraq war, promoted the pullout of Spanish troops, and paved Mr. Zapatero's way to the European Trio.

Some people think the informal club is anti-American, but they would be better advised to note the three leaders' desire to reconstruct the global balance that has been disrupted by the egoistic broad use of military might by the United States. Old Europe is alarmed by George Bush's messianic doctrine and would like to join forces with Russia to search for a political counterbalance to the U.S. global ambitions.

The background for the four-party summit in Paris will differ from the situation in which previous three-party meetings were held. The four leaders' criticism of the Iraq war (and U.S. conduct in the world at large) has been confirmed by the events of the past months. Despite the publicized success of the Iraqi election, the U.S. is bogged down there and the withdrawal of its 150,000 troops has been put off for an indefinite time. None of the four European leaders, including Vladimir Putin, can imagine Bush spending his second term on one more military adventure. It is one thing to threaten Syria and Iran, but a completely different to send troops there.

The declining status of a "hyperpower," as French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine once described America, seems to be changing the partnership of Europe and the U.S., turning it from Atlantic (read: universal) into selective, where the interests of the sides clash increasingly often. Disregarding Washington's protests, the EU plans to lift the arms embargo imposed on China after Tienanmen Square. The U.S. is also outraged by European plans to create a system of European security outside NATO, the ratification by many European countries (including Russia) of the Kyoto protocol, and the resistance of many European capitals to Washington's attempt to undermine the authority of the International Criminal Court.

As a result, the idea of Paris, Berlin and Moscow to create a constructive counterbalance to the largely arrogant foreign policy of the U.S. that rests on military might, an idea which Madrid seems to have accepted, is gradually becoming reality.

However, counterbalance does not mean anti-Americanism. Just as democracy works better when there is a healthy opposition, so the U.S. may find positive elements for harmonizing its foreign policy in the alternative centers of world power - if the latter take a clearer form.

The agenda of the four-party working meeting in Paris is broad and will largely depend on improvisation. The possible issues include the role of the UN in the modern world, Iraq and the Middle East, and the nuclear problems of Iran and North Korea.

Putin plans to raise the issue of developing Russia's relations with the EU and to hold bilateral talks with Chirac after the summit.

Moreover, the Italian premier will inevitably influence the four leaders' discussion of Iraq. Silvio Berlusconi's announcement that the 3,000-strong Italian group would start to withdraw from Iraq in September confirms the thoughts of a growing number of Anglo-American coalition members: The domestic price of loyalty to the U.S. in Iraq is becoming intolerably high. Spain, the Netherlands, Poland, Ukraine and several other countries have refused to pay any more. They have announced they will pull their troops out or have already started the withdrawal process.

Berlusconi's decision, made with due regard for the 2006 parliamentary election, will be a serious blow to Bush's attempt to divide responsibility for the Iraqi campaign. It also confirms the growing feeling of independence, if not opposition to Washington, in Greater Europe.

America knows what this can lead to. And the four leaders in Paris will most probably note with satisfaction Washington's recent U-turn on Iran's nuclear program. For months Moscow, Paris and Berlin have sought to secure a diplomatic solution to the problem, whereas the U.S. continued to threaten Iran with a repetition of Iraq. Washington changed tactics right after Bush's recent European tour. Displaying unexpected generosity, it has offered Iran economic benefits in return for abandoning its alleged nuclear weapons program. One of the benefits is a real gift - it is a pledge not to protest against Iran's accession to the WTO, which the U.S. has been preventing for a decade.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Washington wants to support the Europeans and not to benefit the Iranians. In reality, it was the common stand of the Europeans, including Russia, that forced Washington to drop the stick and take up the carrot in relations with Iran. One would like to view this as a good sign. Bush's foreign policy team, led by his new secretary of state, is becoming aware of the need to act jointly with Greater Europe (including Russia) in critical situations. These rules of conduct suit the new world that has developed after the Iraq war, which was not very successful for America.

Putin is also in Paris to discuss Russia's relations with the EU, which are mostly impressive. The parties say they are to develop the so-called four common spaces in the economy, domestic and external security, science and culture. But the events in Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova spotlighted the European trend of supporting political forces in the former Soviet republics depending on the distance they put between themselves and Russia. In reality, the bureaucrats in Brussels are facing Tbilisi, Kiev and Chisinau with a false choice between the West (meaning the EU and NATO) and Russia.

Vladimir Putin cannot accept this attitude, and it seems that this does not suit France, Germany and other Old European countries either. They reject Russophobic sentiments brought to the enlarged EU by such new members as Poland and the Baltic countries. The summit in Paris will show if Old Europe is ready to stop this unproductive anti-Russian trend. In this year of the 60th anniversary of victory over Nazism, the attempts by Brussels bureaucrats and radical newcomers to the EU to create new division lines in Europe look like an archaism and sacrilege.


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KEYWORDS: axisofweasels; bush; eu; france; germany; russia; spain; uk

1 posted on 03/18/2005 7:28:24 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: A. Pole; MarMema; YoungCorps; OldCorps; FairOpinion; RussianBoor; eluminate; FormerLib; ...
Some people think the informal club is anti-American, but they would be better advised to note the three leaders' desire to reconstruct the global balance that has been disrupted by the egoistic broad use of military might by the United States. Old Europe is alarmed by George Bush's messianic doctrine and would like to join forces with Russia to search for a political counterbalance to the U.S. global ambitions.

If anyone doubts The European Union is not a Fourth Reich dedicated to opposing the US they should read this article. It behooves us to move close to Russia.
2 posted on 03/18/2005 7:35:25 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Alex Marko

Socialist spin.


3 posted on 03/18/2005 7:38:50 AM PST by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: GarySpFc
This all happened post Ukraine. Bush allowed a moment of "solidarity" with the EU over Ukraine. What he actually allowed is for them to sleeze their way back to relevance and to effectively separate the US from Russia, undoing all of Bush's work from 2001-2004. If Bush doesn't move quickly, he's going to have much bigger problems with EU influence in Russia.
4 posted on 03/18/2005 7:42:59 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: GarySpFc
>If anyone doubts The European Union is not a Fourth Reich dedicated to opposing the US they should read this article. It behooves us to move close to Russia

I don't have a link,
but the last stat I saw said
we have more German

troops on training ops
in the US than any
country. We're allies!

5 posted on 03/18/2005 7:43:12 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Alex Marko
Let's do a comp on how this quartet stacks up against the US.

Quartet population: 325M, USA population: 300M.

Quartet GDP: 6T, USA GDP: 11T.

Quartet defense budget: 160B, USA defense budget: 365B.

They have slightly more people. We have almost twice as much money and more than twice as much of a military budget.

Add to this that the US armed forces are all volunteer, while most of the quartet's troops are conscripts.

6 posted on 03/18/2005 7:46:39 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

The EU population is 456 Million. That doesnt include Russia obviously.

* http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:Vrleb8e_W1gJ:epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-31082004-BP/EN/3-31082004-BP-EN.PDF+EU+population&hl=en


7 posted on 03/18/2005 7:50:28 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
The EU does have 456M people, and an EU that would include Russia and the rest of non-included Europe would be about 700M people.

However, the US would still have almost the same GDP as this monstrosity and a larger defense budget - showing that the USA is more than twice as efficent and effective as the Old World.

8 posted on 03/18/2005 7:55:03 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

I know, it just makes your previous analysis between the EU and US seem that the US is just even MORE productive than the EU.


9 posted on 03/18/2005 7:56:53 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

The Quartet: Providing fiddle music while the World burns...


10 posted on 03/18/2005 7:58:35 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Alex Marko

My previous analysis was between the quartet mentioned in the article and the US. I did not compare the EU and the US until you brought up the EU.


11 posted on 03/18/2005 8:02:05 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

"Quartet population: 325M, USA population: 300M."


I just correct the population figure on the EU side. I didnt mean to sound as if I wanted to step on your toes.


12 posted on 03/18/2005 8:03:24 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: theFIRMbss
I don't have a link,
but the last stat I saw said
we have more German


troops on training ops
in the US than any
country. We're allies!


Nonsense! We also do more business with China than any other country. Does that make us allies?
13 posted on 03/18/2005 8:04:11 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
Nonsense! We also do more business with China than any other country. Does that make us allies?

That's a terrible analogy.

14 posted on 03/18/2005 8:06:41 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Alex Marko

I know you weren't. I was just clarifying.


15 posted on 03/18/2005 8:07:03 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Alex Marko
Disregarding Washington's protests, the EU plans to lift the arms embargo imposed on China after Tienanmen Square.

Anything for money...

The U.S. is also outraged by European plans to create a system of European security outside NATO,

If they do this, we'll pull out of NATO the next day. In ten years, Moldavia will take over all Europe unopposed.

the ratification by many European countries (including Russia) of the Kyoto protocol,

We are more than happy to have these morons commit economic suicide. Of course, they don't really mean any of it.

and the resistance of many European capitals to Washington's attempt to undermine the authority of the International Criminal Court.

If the Euroweenies try to haul any American before the ICC, the bombing will begin in five minutes.

Before the invasion, Iraq was the centerpiece in France's quest for relevance in the Middle East. They were going to cozy up to Saddam, sell him weapons, provide a market for his oil, and use him as their proxy in the region. So sad, too bad it didn't work out, Froggies!

16 posted on 03/18/2005 8:08:04 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: wideawake
That's a terrible analogy.

And so is your's. Many members from other countries attend American military schools, and they are not all allies.
17 posted on 03/18/2005 8:11:24 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
(1) It wasn't my analogy and (2) you do have a point.

However, joint military exercises demonstrate a much higher level of friendship and cooperation between two countries' governments than the simple permission to buy and sell merchandise from one another.

18 posted on 03/18/2005 8:13:50 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: GarySpFc
It behooves us to move close to Russia.

Perhaps, but IMO we really don't need Russia/Pooty-poot all that much.

We have colossal India and a potentially remiliatarized Japan firmly in our camp.

China and Russia, we can pretty much play off each other as it best suits our national interest (à la Iran-Iraq in the 1980s), but I wouldn't get too cozy with either of 'em.

19 posted on 03/18/2005 8:54:46 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Alex Marko

There is no "counterbalance" to America.

President Bush said it right: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".


20 posted on 03/18/2005 9:18:12 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bush fault ping! (post #4) :-)


21 posted on 03/18/2005 9:24:17 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: CyberAnt
President Bush said it right: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".

Ohh he forgot Poland again! :-)
22 posted on 03/18/2005 9:27:57 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: TonyRo76

As impressive as this anti-American alliance may look on paper...I am stil comforted by the notion that I just don't believe the EU will survive. There are too many independent entities with their own self interests...let alone, the historical differences in culture, language, religion, etc.

As multicultural as many of these nations pretend to be, some of them are still extremely nationalistic. In my opinion, this is exactly why both France and Germany are now trying to flex some muscle. Fortunately, Europe has a long memory and I believe that memory will awaken when these countries start dictating terms to others.

Besides the British, it appears New Europe isn't all that thrilled with directions be handed down by a few monarchs in Old Europe. Just from an economic standpoint, I can't see this alliance surviving. How are they going to support a military; abide by Kyoto and finance their social systems when they are barely hanging on by a thread, now? Hell, these are countries who have lived under the umbrella of American protection for the last 50 years...and they still can't get their houses in order.


23 posted on 03/18/2005 9:32:46 AM PST by cwb
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To: Lukasz

But .. but .. but .. he's not President of Poland. :)


24 posted on 03/18/2005 11:01:56 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: cwb

The way I look is that it is not an alliance that will endure. A lot like the Entente Cordiale between Edward VII-era Britain and France or the Security treaty between Edward-era Britain and Meiji-era Japan - when the common enemy disappears the "former allies" will turn on and stab each other. I'm not saying that the US will lose against the current Old Europe-Russia axis (in fact I personal think even the EU+other European states+Middle East+North Africa+Turkey+CIS colossus will still not be able to defeat the current US), but that the axis is an archtypical "Alliance of Convenience" post-Westphalia Europe has been so familiar with.


25 posted on 03/18/2005 1:50:13 PM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: cwb
Very cogent points you make about Old Europe.

Besides, another point I've raised on more than a few threads recently: the former world powers that make up Western Europe are slowly committing demographic suicide. The fertility rate among native Euros is down in the cellar somewhere—like just over 1 child per woman per lifetime. That's well below the natural replacement rate for a stable population. With its "cool" postmodernist nihilism and amorality, the Continent that once ruled the world is gradually aborting, contracepting, sterilizing, euthanizing and "queer"ing itself out of existence.

26 posted on 03/18/2005 6:20:23 PM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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