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Court upholds Quebec's 'white margarine' -
Canada.com ^ | March 18, 2005

Posted on 03/18/2005 5:15:29 PM PST by UnklGene

Court upholds Quebec's 'white margarine' -

Canadian Press

Friday, March 18, 2005

OTTAWA (CP) - Quebecers will continue to eat white margarine, at least for now, after the Supreme Court rejected arguments from manufacturer Unilever which opposed provincial restrictions against the sale of yellow margarine.

The justices made their decision immediately after hearing from company lawyer Gerald Tremblay for an hour and while refusing to listen to arguments from lawyers for the Quebec government and Quebec Dairy Producers.

During a brief oral decision, Justice Louis LeBel rejected all aspects of Unilever's argument.

They therefore confirmed the rulings of the Quebec Superior Court in 1999 and the Quebec Court of Appeal in 2003 that validated the Quebec regulation which prevents the sale of margarine in the same colour as butter.

Former Liberal premier Robert Bourassa passed the rule in 1987, which at that time mirrored a measure in Ontario.

Quebec said it was designed to ensure consumers weren't confused about the products, but ultimately protected the dairy industry.

According to dairy producers, 600 farms and 3,000 jobs would be threatened if margarine took butter's yellow glow.

Unilever said the rule reduced margarine sales in Quebec and boosted its expenses to produce white margarine only for the Quebec market.

The British-Dutch company argued in court that the regulation contravenes the North American Free Trade Agreement and World Trade Organization rules.

"The most important thing is the credibility of our governments when they sign international treaties," Tremblay said in an interview.

But Jean-Francois Jobin said the ruling is extremely important because it reinforces the "validity of the law."

"We couldn't have hoped for more because they confirmed without reservation our right to regulate," he said.

The ruling doesn't entirely end the debate on the colour of margarine.

Quebec must now defend its regulation before a special committee on interprovincial trade within Canada.

The Charest government last summer accepted Alberta's request to establish the committee to review if such regulations hamper such trade.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: govwatch; quebec; regulations; unilever
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1 posted on 03/18/2005 5:15:29 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene

All I can say is, "?".


2 posted on 03/18/2005 5:17:25 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: UnklGene

In the late '40s, early '50s, all margarine in so. Cal was white. A small packet of yellow food coloring came with the package. My job: mix the yellow into the white. In the early '60s, margarine was outlawed completely in Wisconsin.


3 posted on 03/18/2005 5:19:00 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene

The ruling doesn't entirely end the debate on the colour of margarine.

Ah, the latest news from the Provinces.


4 posted on 03/18/2005 5:19:21 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Oblongata

When I was a kid, I remember when yellow margarine was illegal in Pennsylvania, and we would get yellow food coloring an mix it in with the white margarine.


5 posted on 03/18/2005 5:19:45 PM PST by SubMareener
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To: UnklGene
I myself always buy yellow cheese but on the rare occasion that I have to buy white cheese I am amazed at the difference in taste. /S
6 posted on 03/18/2005 5:19:49 PM PST by rocksblues (Rino's = Collins, Snowe, DeWine, Graham, Specter, Coleman, McCain, Chafee, Smith, Voinavi developing)
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To: UnklGene
They therefore confirmed the rulings of the Quebec Superior Court in 1999 and the Quebec Court of Appeal in 2003 that ...prevents the sale of margarine in the same colour as butter.

...said it was designed to ensure consumers weren't confused about the products....

Those Quebeckers must either be really stupid or colorblind.

7 posted on 03/18/2005 5:20:49 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: UnklGene

Why would anyone eat margarine when butter is available?


8 posted on 03/18/2005 5:24:29 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: UnklGene
I have just a few questions:
1. Is Canada.com sorta like The Onion? Are we supposed to laugh now?
2. Are Canadians allowed to learn to read and could see that the package says "butter" or "margarine"? We read packages all the time where I come from.
3. Does the Canadian government have anything at all better to do?
4. who gives a flying flip?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

9 posted on 03/18/2005 5:24:41 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: UnklGene

I can't believe it's not about butter.


10 posted on 03/18/2005 5:28:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: UnklGene
It used to be that way in the US.
The coloring for margarine used to be in a seperate little packet that the purchaser had to mix in at home.
Consumers were supposed to be too stupid to tell butter from yellow margarine.
It only got changed because they mistakenly decided margerine was healthier than butter and big brother wanted us to be fooled.

Personally I think the nasty stuff should be dyed green.

SO9

11 posted on 03/18/2005 5:29:29 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: PistolPaknMama
No, Quebec is not like "The Onion."

Quebec's a real place and is strange for real.

12 posted on 03/18/2005 5:30:41 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: UnklGene
Back when I was a kid, My father hated margerine & wouldn't have it in the house.

My mother, who was watching the pennies, would take the wrapper off margerine sticks & present the margerine at the table as butter.

She would make his lunches with the stuff and had him convinced it was butter he was eating.

Until one day, he caught her pulling the wrappers off.

That was the end of margerine in our house.
13 posted on 03/18/2005 5:31:47 PM PST by Smarti Pants (~This American Patriot will never forget !!!~)
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To: cripplecreek
I can't believe it's not about butter.

Thank you Fabio. LOL

Seriously now, can there be any better indicator of just how a nation (or province) has slipped into irrelevance when they waste this sort of effort on the color of margerine?

Who gives a flying fart?!?
14 posted on 03/18/2005 5:32:34 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: All

http://www.margarine.org/historyofmargarine.html


15 posted on 03/18/2005 5:32:54 PM PST by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: UnklGene

It sounds al'wite wit me. Wite answer for sure. h h


16 posted on 03/18/2005 5:34:13 PM PST by Les_Miserables
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To: aft_lizard

Thanks for the excellent margarine link.


17 posted on 03/18/2005 5:34:39 PM PST by DaoPian
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To: Oblongata

Those of us old enough to remember rationing and the introduction of imitation butter can still remember taking a package of white margarine in a plastic pouch and snapping the enclosed bubble of red dye inside, then kneading the whole thing until it turned a rather yellow, orangish color and setting it out in the butter dish.


18 posted on 03/18/2005 5:37:06 PM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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To: Old Professer
Oh yes. Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
19 posted on 03/18/2005 5:41:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: UnklGene

1951: The Federal margarine tax system came to an end. Pre-colored margarine was enjoyed by a consumer also pleased with lower prices. Consumption almost doubled in the next twenty years. State color bans, taxes, licenses and other restrictions began to fall.


20 posted on 03/18/2005 5:41:33 PM PST by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: Graybeard58

Since you asked, it's all part of the better-for-you marketing of processed foods containing all kinds of additives. What a sales job they've done to contribute to the obesity problem.


21 posted on 03/18/2005 5:43:03 PM PST by sarasota
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To: PistolPaknMama

Canada is a strange country .............if we ignore them, they might just go away


22 posted on 03/18/2005 5:43:21 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: UnklGene

Margarine is nothing but grain oil plastic.


23 posted on 03/18/2005 5:44:16 PM PST by greydog
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To: UnklGene
"In the early '60s, margarine was outlawed completely in Wisconsin."

I remember those days, and I remember stores on the Iowa/Wisconsin border making a business selling "Yellow margarine" by the case.
24 posted on 03/18/2005 5:47:50 PM PST by joshhiggins (I)
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To: rocksblues

LOL I've always thought they tasted different. Don't tell me I've always been wrong, my whole life a lie. Noooooooooooooo


25 posted on 03/18/2005 5:48:15 PM PST by JNL
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To: perfect stranger

My guess is that if Quebec allowed yellow margarine, then restaurants and other industries would begin snapping the cheaper alternative up since customers wouldn't know the difference. When's the last time you saw butter on a list of ingredients?


26 posted on 03/18/2005 5:48:56 PM PST by Nataku X (Food for Thought: http://web2.airmail.net/scsr/)
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To: UnklGene

"In the early '60s, margarine was outlawed completely in Wisconsin."


Is that still the case? If so, perhaps I should be re-considering Wisconsin, butter, beer and Green Bay, what's not to like. Oh yeah, and cheese!


27 posted on 03/18/2005 5:50:02 PM PST by jocon307
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To: UnklGene
Frankly, the Canadians should the the yellow variety....it would fit the national image.
28 posted on 03/18/2005 5:50:16 PM PST by pointsal
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To: Old Professer

I've been around so long I call it OREO. - tom


29 posted on 03/18/2005 5:53:25 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom

My wife corrected me OLEO is the margarine. - Tom


30 posted on 03/18/2005 5:55:40 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: UnklGene
This is still an issue in Quebec ... the color of margarine? I'm dating myself, but I distinctly recall (having spent my early youth in eastern Canada) the color of margarine being an issue 50 years ago. To the extent a coloring packet was sold with margarine, which you mixed in, to give margarine a color closer to butter. Apparently making it more palatable.
31 posted on 03/18/2005 5:58:24 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: UnklGene

Ok, first of all we need a bunny with a pancake on it's head!!!

Secondly, all I can say is:

Are you SERIES??? This is HUGH!!! I have to put my BEEBER on STUNED!

OMG white margarine vs yellow, is this all these people have to do????


32 posted on 03/18/2005 5:58:34 PM PST by rockabyebaby (If you're not part of the solution, you ARE the problem.)
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To: UnklGene

Land o' Lakes White American cheese for me, every time!


33 posted on 03/18/2005 5:59:15 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Nataku X
IMHO

Quebec is full of snooty French people and I'm pretty sure the snooty French chefs at snooty French restaurants would rather take the loss of profit than settle for margarine.

Margarine simply does not work the same way with different cooking applications as butter. I'm a chef, trust me on that.

34 posted on 03/18/2005 6:00:50 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: P.O.E.
Land o' Lakes White American cheese for me, every time!

I think of Land o' Lakes every time someone writes "LOL" in a comment.

Lack of chat room experience I suppose.

35 posted on 03/18/2005 6:03:41 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: P.O.E.

Land O Lakes white American, agreed, yummy, accept no substitutes and have it sliced off the block none of this processed packaged in plastic crap!


36 posted on 03/18/2005 6:05:38 PM PST by rockabyebaby (If you're not part of the solution, you ARE the problem.)
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To: UnklGene
Our government finds time to make rules about this stuff too. If you've ever had a triangular pat of "butter", it is actually margarine.

All hail the power of the dairymen's lobby! They are more powerful even than the NRA.

Federal Regulations for Margarine Sales

-ccm

37 posted on 03/18/2005 6:17:14 PM PST by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: P.O.E.

For some reason the Land O'Lakes white american tastes sooo much better than the yellow.


38 posted on 03/18/2005 6:19:41 PM PST by toothfairy86
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To: jocon307
--disagreeing, folks---I was in Wisconsin from 1940 to 1964, on the farm and remember the situation well--margarine was never illegal but it was the white kind with the little yellow button to mix in for color.

My folks wouldn't have it in the house nor would hardly any of the rest of the farmers. In fact, I recall my dad noting one time that another farmers kid my age was getting a pound of margarine, separate from his folks purchases so it wouldn't be known that they were using it---

--it was a big political issue about like daylight saving time but colored margarine finally was legalized--probably late '50's--

39 posted on 03/18/2005 6:21:27 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Nataku X

When's the last time you were in a restaurant?
Unless you specifically request butter, you are getting margarine in most restaurants.


40 posted on 03/18/2005 6:43:28 PM PST by Ludicrous
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To: JNL

White has a sharper taste than yellow!


41 posted on 03/18/2005 7:31:08 PM PST by rocksblues (Rino's = Collins, Snowe, DeWine, Graham, Specter, Coleman, McCain, Chafee, Smith, Voinavi developing)
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To: UnklGene
WTF?

FFS! What a waste of time.

Of course we waste even more time here in the USA.

I sure hope that tort-reform thing gets to be law.

After seeing all the stupidity and greed in our civil courts I am about ready to go with the "loser pays all costs" rule.

42 posted on 03/18/2005 7:34:37 PM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: rellimpank

Actually, colored margarine wasn't legalized in Wisconsin until 1967. I remember my mother getting bootlegged "oleo" from Illinois.


43 posted on 03/18/2005 9:05:44 PM PST by knuthom
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To: knuthom

--I aparently stand corrected--


44 posted on 03/18/2005 9:15:25 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: UnklGene
it was designed to ensure consumers weren't confused about the products

Thank god we have judges to protect us retards from mixing the two things up becasue lord knows when i go in to buy butter or margarine i pop open each and every package to see what color they are. I dont READ THE BOX to see if it says butter or margarine. I cant see what color they are till i take the package home and open it after i buy it these nanny state fascist make me want to puke

45 posted on 03/19/2005 3:11:44 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: UnklGene
in order to protect society the goverment can prohibit yellow margarine but a real danger to women in society can be allowed to stay in the country Ruling allows rapist to appeal deportation
46 posted on 03/19/2005 3:14:04 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: knuthom

One of my childhood memories is driving to Wisconsin for vaation every summer. We knew we were approaching the isconsin state line when we saw the "Last Chance for Oleo" signs north of Chicago. LOL!


47 posted on 03/19/2005 3:30:28 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: UnklGene

Margarine = evil stuff.


48 posted on 03/19/2005 3:41:42 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: UnklGene

Whey back when (sorry, couldn't help that), margerine was sold with a packet of food coloring, so that you could make it butter colored. I wonder why they don't just do that in Quebec?

Mark


49 posted on 03/19/2005 3:51:06 AM PST by MarkL (Brain cells come, and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever!)
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To: Mad Mammoth
Seriously now, can there be any better indicator of just how a nation (or province) has slipped into irrelevance when they waste this sort of effort on the color of margerine?

When congress holds hearings on baseball?

Mark

50 posted on 03/19/2005 3:53:41 AM PST by MarkL (Brain cells come, and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever!)
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