Skip to comments.Collocating Coffins (Political correctness in the military did not end with the Clinton admin.)
Posted on 03/19/2005 2:11:42 AM PST by nickcarraway
Political correctness in the U.S. military did not end with the Clinton administration. President Bush's military is also pushing an ideology of "equality" at the expense of military effectiveness. For the sake of an absurd feminist experiment, the Bush military is willing to sap its strength, expose women to torture and death and mar the lives of children and families. The price tag of this experiment is on the body bags carrying mothers, wives, and daughters who have died in Iraq, and on the growing list of orphans produced by the war. Read the casualty reports: Lori Ann Piestewa, 23, mother of two preschoolers; Melissa J. Hobart, 22, mother of a 3 year-old; Jessica L. Cawvey, 21, single mother of a 6-year-old; Sgt. Pamela Osbourne, 38, mother of three children, ages 9-19, Katrina L. Bell-Johnson, 32, mother of a 1-year-old.
"Tens of thousands of children are struggling to cope while Mom goes to war," reports the Sacramento Bee. And if Mom does come back, she may return as an amputee. Or shell-shocked, reports the Bee: "Returning female vets are bringing back wounded minds, beset by post-traumatic stress disorder, an illness that affects women at twice the rate of men. Health care experts fear an avalanche of cases among female vets will smother the military health care system."
Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness reports that the Bush military, far from reconsidering the feminization of the military under Bill Clinton, is advancing it. The Bush Pentagon has now done what Clinton didn't even do by implementing a de facto women-in-combat policy of placing women in front-line support groups alongside combat units.
"Under current federal law and military regulations, women are barred from ground combat groups," reports the Bee. (And Bush has said "no women in combat.") "There are indications, however, that the Pentagon is less steadfast than its commander-in-chief about maintaining the status quo. In February, the Army's 3rd Infantry Division acknowledged it has assigned women to units in Iraq that directly support combat troops by providing food, equipment maintenance and other services. The process, called 'collocation' -- literally to place side by side-- is at odds with an 11-year-old Army policy that bans women from serving in front-line support groups."
Elaine Donnelly tells TAS that a Pentagon attitude of "This is how women grow their careers" is driving the new collocation policy. The Pentagon has bizarrely said that these women will only serve alongside combat units when they are not in combat but should they find themselves in combat the military will "evacuate" the female troops. If that doesn't show the military's willingness to lose battles for the sake of a gender-integration experiment, what does?
What a lunatic scenario: the military is placing women with combat units on the assumption that they won't see combat but should they see combat it will dissipate battle resources to "evacuate" soldiers who shouldn't have been there in the first place all so that it can maintain a modified "collocation" policy that conforms to a careerist feminist ideology in the Pentagon.
Soldiers have told Donnelly that the new collocation rule is insane. An infantry officer described what evacuating the 24 women in these units will mean: "[Removing] 24 fully loaded soldiers [would require] two Blackhawk helicopters, six Huey helicopters, one Chinook helicopter, two 5-ton (or LMTV) trucks, 12 up-armored HMMWV's (with a full crew of three) and four to six unarmored HMMWV's to move. These are assets that cannot be spared simply to move females to the rear. In combat, helicopters are preferable but a very scarce asset. Imagine an entire brigade trying to chopper out these female contingents before combat -- it would require almost half of a division's worth of aviation assets to move them all at once."
A female officer told Donnelly: "The key question...remove females when combat begins. That is ridiculous. When does the combat begin? According to the President the war ended and we are not in a 'war zone' but in a 'Theater of Operations' now. I think it is a play on words and commanders in the field will not follow those guidelines. This is political language that we commanders are not aware of. Once soldiers are in the units they will all be placed wherever they are needed regardless of their gender."
In other words, the new collocation policy is a formula for at once losing battles and getting women killed. It is not even accurate to say that death is an equal opportunity provider on the battlefield as women will have less chance of surviving than the men.
But it is not surprising that the military is blurring the distinction between combat and noncombat field positions for women. The door blocking women in combat has been ajar since it became clear that "noncombat" jobs would mean de facto combat jobs (as evident in the fact that "noncombat" women carry weaponry and are dying in combat situations). The military's new collocation policy signifies that it is readying to kick the door wide open. In the meantime, however, female soldiers will learn the hard way what the military means by career benefits.
"You're not generally told as a female that you will be in that type of situation where you are in harm's way directly," National Guard Sergeant Brenda Monroe said to the Sacramento Bee. "I never dreamed that I would wake up every night and have to run to a bunker and take cover because we were being attacked or under direct fire."
The feminist dream that began under Clinton is producing a nightmare under Bush. How many women and mothers will have to die before a Bush military that should know better stops it?
You forgot to add the barf alert. What's this leftist crap doing on this site?
An article opposing females in combat is leftist? Your compass needs some fine tuning.
And what a bunch of B.S.; thousands of women dying in combat leaving tens of thousands of orphans? Yea right.
Women join the army knowing the risks. it isn't a holiday nor a ticket for free education and salary. Some get killed. but very few. nothing to support this claim of tens of thousands of orphans.
Note how "Bush said combat was over" is slipped in as well.
This should be pulled.
Oops, meant US Air Force instead of Marines, my bad
There aren't any women in combat. They may be near combat areas but only as support.
This article suggests women are in combat and are being killed in high numbers which simply isn't true.
Tens of thousands of orphaned children... yea right. I recall a woman who died defusing a roadside bomb. That was her job, it isn't "combat".
Except in specialty areas like you mention. Not Army ground troops except in support positions or specialtis like Sappers.
The article is refering to this proposed "colocation" rule change. If enacted, the number of females killed will be closer to the number of men killed instead of about 30 out of over 1500.
That means they each had 322 children each to support this claim of even 10,000 affected children, never mind the "tens of thousands".
Yeah, right. George Neumayr and the American Spectator is left wing. Opposing feminists groups and homosexual activists groups is left wing. I suppose the Equal Rights Ammendment, which first came up with the idea of forcing women in combat in the army was a conservative ammendment to the Constitution. And I suppose Phyllis Schlafly who opposed the ERA and women in combat is a left-winger? Up is down. Hot is cold.
And what a bunch of B.S.; thousands of women dying in combat leaving tens of thousands of orphans?
Next time read a little close. It doesn't say anything about thousands of orphans.
Note how "Bush said combat was over" is slipped in as well.
Nice try. Check out his article archive, Neumayr supported the war in Iraq and President Bush.
You are deliberately lying about what this article says. It not say that that many children are orphaned, it says their mothers are overseas. Are you a representative of NOW or something? The Clinton era is over, get over it. We should get rid of Clinton era policies.
Okay, put up or shut up. The article does not say there are that many orphans. Try to show where it says that, or prove yourself a troll.
The article says that tens of thousands of children are coping while their mothers are in Iraq, not necessarily killed.
The fear mongering is in there, just read it. And watch who you call a troll. This whole article is fear mongering, plain and simple. Women join the army on their own free will. They know the risks. they aren't forced or tricked etc. into anything. MEN are sons, brothers, husbands and fathers as well. Why the discrimination? Maybe everyone should just stay home... I spent my years in the military, and have known many a fine female who made their careers in the service as well. We don't need these armchair general- civilian speculators dreaming up scenarios which aren't happening.
Or, looking at it another way, out of the 1500 women claimed to be in Iraq, they each have 6 children,(based on 10 thousand, not tens of thousands) and everyone of them have some sort of medical problem caused by being in the theare of operations.
yea right. fear mongering, plain and simple. Most women don't even have children, are young and single.
The article does not claim that that many children have lost their mothers, simply that they are without their mothers for the duration that those women are deployed.
Save it for the DU
Wow! Talk about exagerration. Why all that to move 24 women? Wouldn't a couple of truck do it?
ping and opinion needed.
For feminists it is self over mission. "I want to be in combat to advance my career" is the feminist mantra. Bull hockey.
Nickdoggie: Here we go again Nickie!
A "Clinton Feminist Dream" turned into a "Bush Nightmare"?
Let's guess? You majored in "Telegraphing Your Punches"?
Anxiously awaiting your next morsel on the "Bush Military".
'Course, I risk being knighted a dreaded "TROLL" by the ever even-handed, no agenda, totally balanced, ever-deadpanned Sir Nick.
"We love you Nicky! Oh! Yes We Do!
Do they get paid the same??????
Then shut up.
Why should this be pulled? It shows examples of how sad sack our all volunteer military has become. I can imagine the women are in the roles that they are because recruitment marks can't be met if women weren't in very near combat slots. It is a simple matter of filling slots with personnel so that no mentions of a draft will be heard.
Women don't belong in many of the roles that they are filling.
If you don't want to see information that you don't agree with, FR isn't the place for you.
Authoritative commentary about the appropriate allocation of female personnel in military operations are probably appropriate if uttered or offered by authorized and qualified types. It's difficult to be sure when this subject comes up in the context of a deliberate smear piece aimed at discrediting our administration in time of war.
As we are still "at war", remarks that insinuate incompetance and ulterior motives on the part of our country's leaders or that characterize the sacrifices made in combat as "Sad Sack" by our so-called volunteer army might be be recieved without some understandable opposition.
Inviting persons one disagrees with to leave the room simply because they disagree may strike some as inappropriate and somehow missing the point of having a forum dedicated to free speech and the expression of differing points of view.
Who forced any of these women to enlist? Who forced them to have children while still serving in the military? Seems to me we live in a country where people are free to make these types of decisions. The person sitting in the WH has nothing to do with it.
What kind of military do you think we'll have if they are NOT volunteers? The kind we had back in 'Nam? No thanks.
There were women at Tan Son Nhut, Camran (sp?) Bay, and various other large/rear area posts in Vietnam. Ain't exactly new.
That said, I'd feel lots better with a 190 pound guy next to me than a "mother of two" when it got up close and personal.
The person sitting in the WH has nothing to do with it.
Wrong. President Clinton enacted this policy, that earlier President like Reagan refused to. (Even Carter didn't do it.) We need to get rid of Clinton-era impositions on our military.
You miss the point. Women must be used in advanced positions so that the recruitment objectives can be met.
Now for the other portion of your question. What the hell was wrong with the Vietnan era military? Just because we fought a war that was sold down the river by pack of spineless politicians doesn't diminish the quality of the forces involved or their spirit and heart.
I wondered about that -- maybe there's a typo and it should be "or" instead of "and."
The quality of the soldiers vs what we have to day was appalling. Why? Because most were there against their will. Drugs, etc were rampant. I don't fault the soldier, I fault the notion of forcing someone to do something they have no desire to do.
The girls want to play soldier, let them have full, equal opportunity.
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¿Can a REMF be a she?
Marine Capt. Vernice Armour is the Department of Defense's first black female combat pilot. She flies AH-1W Super Cobra helicopters like this one at the Camp Pendleton airstrip.
Photo:CHARLIE NEUMAN / Union-Tribune
I disagree. There were the problems you mention but as a percentage of the total number of military personnel it was relatively small.
From my perspective the problems were abetted by a lax command structure. Too many officers weren't willing to take the measures necessary to clean out the ranks.
Support for trouble makers by leftist politicians indeed made the problems occur more frequently than one could expect.
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