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Hand-wringing over incarceration won't help city's young black men
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 19, 2005 | Gregory Kane

Posted on 03/19/2005 4:08:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

..... There are, no doubt, young white men -- and Hispanic men and men of other races and ethnic groups -- who are in prison, in jail or on probation or parole in Baltimore. But there's a difference between them and young black men: It's assumed the nonblack ones have some responsibility for, and control over, their actions.

If that's not a classic, textbook definition of racism, I don't know what to call it. And it's an insidious racism that will, in the long run, hurt the young black men those JPI bleeding hearts think they are helping.

"The system is to blame" is not what these young men need to hear. They need a stern rebuke, some scolding, perhaps a foot up their derrieres and some sage advice about getting their acts together. And they should definitely be reminded that being in jail or in prison is neither a rite of passage nor a cultural imperative for young black men.

But I've overheard that discussion a dozen times if I've heard it once. Two or more young black men in Baltimore -- on a bus, at a bus stop, on the subway, on a corner -- talking about themselves and their friends. Which ones are in jail. Which ones are out. Who did what to get sent up this time.

This is said loudly, so that folks standing nearby can hear it. There's no shame. There's no embarrassment. Going to jail or prison, these young black men figure, is something they're supposed to do.

You'll forgive me if I refuse to blame police, lawmakers, prosecutors, state and city government and judges for this sorry state of affairs. This sounds more like a failure of way too many families to instill proper values in their sons, nephews and cousins......

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: black; blackmales; crime; education; parenting; racism
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A cry in the black education wilderness
1 posted on 03/19/2005 4:08:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Like going to jail is a badge of honor for black men. And its abetted by white liberals who make it clear the felon vote is a cool thing to have.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 03/19/2005 4:10:00 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

This sounds more like a failure of way too many families to instill proper values in their sons, nephews and cousins......

Good words falling on deaf ears e.g. Bill Cosby. For all of his efforts to talk openly about problems in the Black community, all he got was a sore throat and a kick in the backside.


3 posted on 03/19/2005 4:13:49 AM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: goldstategop
And America's youth is emulating prison culture with their clothing and tattooing.
4 posted on 03/19/2005 4:16:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; 7.62 x 51mm

damn good article


5 posted on 03/19/2005 4:18:05 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And America's youth is emulating prison culture with their clothing and tattooing.

don't forget

RAP MUSIC


6 posted on 03/19/2005 4:20:38 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They think it makes them look "hard". Which in itself is just a shortened form of "hardened" like "hardened criminal".


7 posted on 03/19/2005 4:26:52 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: sure_fine

Yes! He mentions hip hop further down in the article.


8 posted on 03/19/2005 4:27:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: L98Fiero

Thanks for the info. You learn a lot on FR.


9 posted on 03/19/2005 4:29:02 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: goldstategop

I am 62, all my life everything that has happened bad to unsuccessful black people has been the fault of "the man".

Every black person I know that has become a personal success has taken responsibility for their own lives and ignored this batch of crap. Public school education is there for everyone in this country, those who refuse to educate themselves, black or white or hispanic, doom themselves to menial jobs and a hard life. Those parents who carry on the legend of being held back by "the man" are only condemning their kids to lead this hard life.

Anyone CAN be a success in this country but it wont be awarded to you as a reparation, or something your great-great grandaddy may have paid for, you have to earn it yourself.

The only ones who get a free ride are the ones who had rich forebears like the Kennedys, Kerrys, and yes the Bush's. But somewhere back in their family someone made themself a success, some of them carry on that success and others like Paris Hilton make fools of themselves.


10 posted on 03/19/2005 4:30:05 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sure_fine
"Rap music" is an oxymoron.
11 posted on 03/19/2005 4:33:59 AM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Absolutely...and the rise of the Gangsta Culture has nothing to do with skin color or gender, either.


12 posted on 03/19/2005 4:46:10 AM PST by hoosier_RW_conspirator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

More silliness from the vaunted Baltimore Sun. Lets laugh our asses off as the Sun sets on yet another tired goofy "Poor Me The Black Man " piece.
"E'body know Whitey keeping da black man down".

The MSM is clueless on why the bloggers have taken the reins? Answer: TRUTH.


13 posted on 03/19/2005 4:48:10 AM PST by CBart95
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To: sgtbono2002

Excellent post.
I'm in total agreement, as I'm sure many are here on FR.
Sometimes I wish that a copy of these words could somehow be delivered, read, understood, and implemented by the families of young black men.

I suspect I'll be waiting quite a long time.


14 posted on 03/19/2005 4:49:50 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Will quip for food...)
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To: Onyxx

bump for later discussion


15 posted on 03/19/2005 4:50:16 AM PST by Unknown Freeper
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To: CBart95

This is a "get your act together" column by a conservative black columnist.


16 posted on 03/19/2005 4:55:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out
Excellent post, I agree.

Ask 100 whites if incarcerated white people deserve to be in prison and the percentages would show a resounding "Yes".

Ask 100 blacks if incarcerated black people deserve to be in prison and it would be a resounding "No".

17 posted on 03/19/2005 4:58:26 AM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We all know that ALL people are created intellectually, morally, physically, and emotionally equal.

With that firmly in mind, it is essential that we reduce the black prison population to 13% of total prison population and let most of these black folks back on the streets....Its affirmative action for prisons.

18 posted on 03/19/2005 5:03:45 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Imagine a disease whose root cause was not allowed to be correctly diagnosed

No doctor on earth could cure it or be allowed to prevent it.


19 posted on 03/19/2005 5:04:48 AM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: libs_kma

Ask 100 blacks if incarcerated black people deserve to be in prison and it would be a resounding "No

Exactly, I have talked to white boys that were in prison. They said that the blacks would say the only reason they are in prison is because they are black. I guess committing a crime has nothing to do with it.


20 posted on 03/19/2005 5:09:11 AM PST by daddyOwe ("a man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to leave alone")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is "JPI"?


21 posted on 03/19/2005 5:18:01 AM PST by DryProng
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator
Cool! I just mentioned Gangsta Culture on a another thread a few minutes ago.
22 posted on 03/19/2005 5:22:48 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: daddyOwe

"Exactly, I have talked to white boys that were in prison. They said that the blacks would say the only reason they are in prison is because they are black. I guess committing a crime has nothing to do with it."

Spoken like a honkey racist. Don't you know that blacks are not capable of committing crimes. It's that whites purposely make common black behavior illegal to keep them down and lock them up. Besides, since society is so racist, blacks are entitled to do whatever they want because they are so oppressed. I suggest you take some black studies courses so you can be edumacated.


23 posted on 03/19/2005 5:24:03 AM PST by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: squirt-gun
"We all know that ALL people are created intellectually, morally, physically, and emotionally equal."

1st Commandment of the Liberal Religion?

24 posted on 03/19/2005 5:25:41 AM PST by litehaus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

i live in a neighborhood that includes just about everything: immigrants; white and black professionals, blue collar, and service workers; mexican blue collar workers; etc.

the impediment that i see for young black men is their peer group.

if black parents keep them out of these negative peer groups, then the guys do ok.

amazing is that several white neer-do-wells idolize the black neer-do-wells and hang out with them on the streets. none wants to work.


25 posted on 03/19/2005 5:36:49 AM PST by ken21 ( today's luxury development. tomorrow's slum.)
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To: BadAndy

as a former prosecutor, and now in private practice, I have spoken to a goodly number of young black males, both while prosecuting them, and when defending them. And, almost to a man, all of them had the mentality that anything was OK, because "whitey" owed them for past oppression. That since "whitey" enslaved the black man, that "whitey" owed them. So, since "whitey" owed them, then whatever belonged to a "white" man, was owed to a black man, so he could take it if he wanted. Or he could assault or kill the white man because he, the black man, was owed something. That it was OK to sell drugs, because, well, they were owed something. And try as you might, you couldn't reason with them. So many of these young blacks still see themselves as being in slavery. Metaphoric, but enslaved nonetheless. You want to see what the mindset of the young black man is...rent and watch the first season of HBO's "The Wire". Having been involved in major drug investigations in a large black community, that show is the closest to being an accurate depiction of reality as any I have seen.


27 posted on 03/19/2005 5:53:09 AM PST by yukong
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To: litehaus
"We all know that ALL people are created intellectually, morally, physically, and emotionally equal."

1st Commandment of the Liberal Religion?

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No, I think it's: "I am thy god. Thou shalt have none other before or beside me."

28 posted on 03/19/2005 5:53:23 AM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The author almost hits a home run. What he doesn't emntion is that probably 95% of the victims of these young black male criminals are also black..


29 posted on 03/19/2005 6:03:28 AM PST by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: yukong

"So, since "whitey" owed them, then whatever belonged to a "white" man, was owed to a black man, so he could take it if he wanted. Or he could assault or kill the white man because he, the black man, was owed something."

It may be coincidental but the rise of this attitude seems associated with the spread of black studies programs. These seem designed to promote black victimhood, racial animosity against whites and anti American attitudes.


30 posted on 03/19/2005 6:11:17 AM PST by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: BadAndy

Spoken like a honkey racist. Don't you know that blacks are not capable of committing crimes. It's that whites purposely make common black behavior illegal to keep them down and lock them up. Besides, since society is so racist, blacks are entitled to do whatever they want because they are so oppressed. I suggest you take some black studies courses so you can be edumacated.

I do hope this is satire. I am not used to people calling me names. Oh wait . That happens all the time.


31 posted on 03/19/2005 6:12:01 AM PST by daddyOwe ("a man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to leave alone")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Most of these young blacks have never met their fathers. Their mothers have several children with several men. Where are these boys supposed to learn values? The schools are forbidden to talk about values, and I haven't a clue as to what black preachers are talking about these days, but it obviously isn't getting through to the young hoods.


32 posted on 03/19/2005 6:18:08 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

Nanny government has infected many generations.

People like Jesse Jackson, still profit.


33 posted on 03/19/2005 6:40:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CBart95

Did you actually read the article?


34 posted on 03/19/2005 6:52:18 AM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: libs_kma

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/wanted.html

25 Most Wanted, everyone is either Black or Hispanic! Where are the White criminals or is the NYC population mostly Black and Hispanic today?


36 posted on 03/19/2005 8:03:45 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: wolfpat

"Rap music" is an oxymoron.>>>>

Similiar to "fingernails on a chalkboard" music!


37 posted on 03/19/2005 8:36:10 AM PST by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: B4Ranch
Wow! That's amazing.

I want to scream when African Americans point out that "most of the people on death row are black". And then they demand that we do something about it, like get more whites on death row. Sheesh!

38 posted on 03/19/2005 8:45:55 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: B4Ranch
RE: post #36. Amazing!

I want to scream when African Americans point out that "most of the people on death row are black". And then they demand that we do something about it, like get more whites on death row. Sheesh!

39 posted on 03/19/2005 8:48:22 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

My Black friends aren't worried about ethnic balance on death row. But then they are all hard working very self responsible people who are raising their families to be the same way.


40 posted on 03/19/2005 8:58:30 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: B4Ranch

Same goes here.


41 posted on 03/19/2005 9:00:32 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: mhking

ping


42 posted on 03/19/2005 9:01:00 AM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ah, shame! It seems almost like an ancient concept now. How valuable it would be to have around today. Alas, shame was shot dead and buried in this town years ago.

Seems like I remember a revolutionary politician bemoaning the loss of shame in our culture. The year was 1993 and the politician was Newt Gingrich. Of course he was villified for his statement.

43 posted on 03/19/2005 9:04:27 AM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: joesnuffy
"Imagine a disease whose root cause was not allowed to be correctly diagnosed.

I can. How about HIV/AIDS or, in the case of 'Financial Diseases', Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

44 posted on 03/19/2005 9:23:44 AM PST by drt1
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To: groanup
"A revolutionary politician bemoaning the loss of shame in our culture. The year was 1993 and the politician was Newt Gingrich.

Seems to me Gingrich has derived some benefit of the situation he bemoans - Public Shame. While he has many good points he is not without his warts. Some of them were disclosed a couple of years after this statement.

45 posted on 03/19/2005 9:33:06 AM PST by drt1
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.neoperspectives.com/welfare.htm

What explains the skyrocketing rate of African American incarceration? It is so sharp and sudden there must be an explanation. I will offer a possible hypothesis:

The exponential growth in single motherhood that began in the late 60s/early 70s was a double headed monster. First, the men who would have been married to these women were not tied down by family responsibilities, and did not develop strong emotional ties with their wives and children and thus led more erratic lifestyles that ended some in trouble with the law. Secondly, the children raised by these single mothers suffered from poverty that their mothers were unable to escape because of the previously mentioned work penalties imposed by the government. This was not severe poverty, because the government provided nearly everything essential, but a poverty in which there was little financial freedom. Children must also have been influenced by the mother's conflicted mental state; she hated being dependant on the government, and perhaps regretted her single mother status, but was unable to achieve financial freedom because whenever she came close, her basic essentials were snatched away en-mass by the government. This frustrated slide of self-esteem and shrinking dignity may have rubbed off on her children. Boys, who had no father figure to model, only had their peers, or perhaps they found a family friend or neighborhood figure to model. Failing schools, poor neighborhoods, the proliferation of public housing units (which tended to congregate/centralize recipients of public assistance), and a broken family structure made these boys more likely to become involved in drugs, gangs and criminal activities, which often ended them in jail. A young girl, faced with the same deteriorating conditions as her brother and despite warnings by her mother, was at higher risk (some studies say between 100-200% higher (243)) for engaging in risky sexual activity and continuing the cycle with a premarital pregnancy (consider the stagnating wages of these areas and the financial cost/benefit statistics from Chart 14).


46 posted on 03/19/2005 9:46:30 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: litehaus
Re # 24...

I think you are on to something.

47 posted on 03/19/2005 9:58:41 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: drt1
Seems to me Gingrich has derived some benefit of the situation he bemoans - Public Shame. While he has many good points he is not without his warts. Some of them were disclosed a couple of years after this statement.

I can't for the life of me see how he derived benefit. He resigned his speakership and and subsequently did not run again for his congressional seat. Rather than take the moral low road that was the character of the democrats a few years later (it's personal), he faced the music and bowed out.

48 posted on 03/19/2005 10:07:14 AM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Yes! He mentions hip hop further down in the article."

Forgive me for being dumb but what is "hip hop"?

I'm one of those older types that doesn't listen to rap or any of the other stuff.


49 posted on 03/19/2005 10:10:46 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: kittymyrib
About 70% of black babies are born OUT OF WEDLOCK and the majority have no clue on who their Daddy is or their Daddy wants nothing to do with them.
50 posted on 03/19/2005 10:14:39 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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