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NH Free Staters protest Fed ID card
www.FreeStateProject.org

Posted on 03/19/2005 2:33:31 PM PST by Dada Orwell

Nine Free Staters in New Hampshire showed up in front of U.S. Senator John Sununu's Manchester office this afternoon to urge him and Senator Gregg to vote against "Real I.D." Real I.D. is a proposal to force states into a federal I.D. system.

This was one of the Free Staters' less successful protests, as it was less well-attended and generated less media coverage than usual. But participants agreed it's important to do *something* against this proposed violation of the Tenth Amendment, which hold that powers not specifically delegated to the Feds in the Constitution are automatically given to the states or the people.

The Free State Project is a movement aimed at persuading 20,000 liberty lovers to move to New Hampshire and there defend liberty on their own initiative. This particular protest, while minor, would not have happened at all except for the fact that 100 of the "Porcupines" have already made the move and begun "making noise." I hope some of you will join us.

Pictures to follow, probably on another thread.

www.freestateproject.org


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: aliens; fsp; nationalid; privacy

1 posted on 03/19/2005 2:33:31 PM PST by Dada Orwell
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To: Dada Orwell
You already have a national ID card courtesy of FDR. Get over the frenzy and remember that the bad guys can be scooped up with these things.
3 posted on 03/19/2005 2:38:42 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs off the coffee table.)
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To: Dada Orwell

The federal constitution outlines citizenship; the federal government is the one who determines if someone is a citizen or not, not the states.

As such, since state issued ID cards are being used to identify citizenship, the federal government has a right to put in requirements as to how that ID should be prepared, what records are kept about them, etc.

The states have the power to stop their identifications from being used in this manner.

Seems like a separation of power to me, and it seems constitutional. I suppose the answer could be a federal law requiring passports for all financial transactions, airport screenings, etc, but I doubt that the freestaters would like that much better.

(dons fireproof undies to handle the future flames.)


4 posted on 03/19/2005 2:41:37 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Dada Orwell
"But participants agreed it's important to do *something* against this proposed violation of the Tenth Amendment, which hold that powers not specifically delegated to the Feds in the Constitution are automatically given to the states or the people."

Except that having a national system so that states can securely use each other's IDs is a fairly obvious extension of the federal government's power to regulate interstate commerce.
5 posted on 03/19/2005 2:42:23 PM PST by Moral Hazard (I'm an atheist gamer. I don't believe in God Mode.)
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To: Moral Hazard

However, anything can be forged and the printing presses will be working overtime in old Mexicali.


6 posted on 03/19/2005 2:54:36 PM PST by henderson field
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To: henderson field
However, anything can be forged and the printing presses will be working overtime in old Mexicali

Absolutely not true.

An eye scan is 100% perfect for personal identity and can't be forged..

7 posted on 03/19/2005 3:16:39 PM PST by squirt-gun
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To: Dada Orwell

I'm all for the free state project, but I think they should start from scratch, rather than leeching off an already functioning state.


8 posted on 03/19/2005 3:21:40 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: everyone

I understand where these people are coming from, but they are living in the past. I hate to sound like Eleanor Roosevelt, but that's a luxury we can no longer afford.


9 posted on 03/19/2005 3:27:46 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Dada Orwell

God bless 'em.


10 posted on 03/19/2005 3:45:12 PM PST by jsubstance
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To: henderson field

"However, anything can be forged and the printing presses will be working overtime in old Mexicali."

Even if this were the case, the question of effectiveness is different from the question of Constitutionality.


11 posted on 03/19/2005 4:35:12 PM PST by Moral Hazard (I'm an atheist gamer. I don't believe in God Mode.)
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