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Hospitals can end life support; Decision hinges on patient's ability to pay, prognosis
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 8, 2005 | LEIGH HOPPER

Posted on 03/19/2005 7:19:45 PM PST by ambrose

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1 posted on 03/19/2005 7:19:45 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Shermy

ping.


2 posted on 03/19/2005 7:20:11 PM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: ambrose

I have my flame-proof suit on, so I'll start. How many resources should be spent on palliative therapy? And at what age? Children who have yet to live their lives but have no chance to? Oldsters who are ready to check out at 80+?

Who could be saved in the meantime using those resources?


3 posted on 03/19/2005 7:25:30 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: annyokie

The Gubment should pay, and if the patient doesn't want the treatment? Too bad.


4 posted on 03/19/2005 7:29:23 PM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: ambrose

Nice try.

Except Terri is not on "life support", she is merely getting food and water, AND her parents WANT to take her home and care for her themselves.

I think whether or not she is in PVS shouldn't even be the issue, it should be whether her husband, who has been living with another woman and has two children by her, and clearly has a conflict of interest with Terri's being kept alive, should be allowed to make life and death decisions for Terri.


5 posted on 03/19/2005 7:30:57 PM PST by FairOpinion (http://www.helpterri.com)
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To: ambrose

I went through the whole heroic procedures with my grandma about 12 years ago. I am on the pull the plug on this side of the arguement.


6 posted on 03/19/2005 7:31:29 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: ambrose


Health insurance should be like car insurance. Everyone SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT. If you don't have it, then the government should bill you for it.


7 posted on 03/19/2005 7:36:31 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: FairOpinion

Brain death means you are not coming back. I don't care how many millions of prayers are offered.

Like my foolish Christer aunt offering up prayers for her autistic grandson. It isn't going to change anything. !7 years ought to learn her.


8 posted on 03/19/2005 7:37:11 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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Autism isn't brain dead. And Autistic children with a VERY EXPENISVE therapy can go on to live normal lives. I think the govt should cut spending for Aids and help these families with autistic children.


9 posted on 03/19/2005 7:38:29 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
"Health insurance should be like car insurance. Everyone SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT. If you don't have it, then the government should bill you for it."

Lots of folks don't have car insurance (and never will have car insurance) and the government is not going to bill them for it. A government which bills people for car insurance is a government which has too much power (unless, of course, I'm hit by an uninsured motorist...). :)
10 posted on 03/19/2005 7:40:11 PM PST by jdm (Stockhausen, Kagel, Xenakis -- world capitals or avant-garde composers?)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
" I think the govt should cut spending for Aids and help these families with autistic children."

Agreed. Countries like France and Germany need to step up to the plate and contribute more for AIDS, especially considering their incessant b!tching about how "little" the U.S. spends to thwart/treat it.

It's time for Europe to talk the walk and walk the talk and to stop whining.
11 posted on 03/19/2005 7:43:46 PM PST by jdm (Stockhausen, Kagel, Xenakis -- world capitals or avant-garde composers?)
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(unless, of course, I'm hit by an uninsured motorist...). :)

Then I think the government SHOULD bill it for YOU.

12 posted on 03/19/2005 7:46:12 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: annyokie

She is NOT brain dead.

People who are brain dead are totally on life support, Terri isn't.

People who are brain dead don't look up and follow balloons with their eyes, like Terri.

And as I said several times already, I think whether or not she is in PVS shouldn't even be the issue, it should be whether her husband, who has been living with another woman and has two children by her, and clearly has a conflict of interest with Terri's being kept alive, should be allowed to make life and death decisions for Terri. Especially, when Terri's parents are willing to assume all responsibility for her and care for her, whatever her condition is.


13 posted on 03/19/2005 8:07:09 PM PST by FairOpinion (http://www.helpterri.com)
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To: annyokie

"Like my foolish Christer aunt offering up prayers for her autistic grandson. It isn't going to change anything. !7 years ought to learn her."

I answer with a phrase often seen in the Bible. "Is anything too hard for God?" Who is the bigger fool, your aunt or you? It is not wise to mock those that pray.


14 posted on 03/19/2005 8:14:14 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
This guy is 67 and has Medicare -- that is the insurance he gets, and he can't buy anything better in this country.

In fact, if this poor family wanted to pay privately for this expensive care, the hospital would be constrained from taking their money.

This is the bastardized 'insurance' we are all entitled to, and this is the kind of 'care' we are thus sentenced to.

I actually think this family has a fair shot at compelling this hospital to continue to provide care for this poor fellow. If they do, and if only a small number of families and patients took a similar tack, under current Medicare payment rules, the hospital industry could be bankrupted in a very short time.

15 posted on 03/19/2005 8:21:02 PM PST by BartMan1
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I'm not for Universal healthcare.

That's the problem, does anyone have a solution? Where is all this money going?


16 posted on 03/19/2005 8:22:30 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: ambrose

Mechanical ventilation and dialysis? What kind of a life is that?


17 posted on 03/19/2005 9:03:07 PM PST by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: annyokie

"Like my foolish Christer aunt offering up prayers for her autistic grandson"

Christians pray.
So do many others, who are not Christian.
Myself included.
If you don't think prayer is powerfull, you are ignorant on the entire subject of spirituallity. And of the very nature of humankind.
BTW-your Aunt might very well actually be a fool, I don't have any possible way to judge the truth of your statement.
But you OTOH, are publically proving your crass stupidity, which goes well beyond simple crudeness, by calling her a "foolish Christer" for praying for her family.
She would probably just try to forgive you, and pray for your soul if she happened on your post.Now you might not like that, or approve, but you might want to hope she says a few prayers on your behalf.
Because I just sent up a quick "prayer" that you be taught a lesson on the power of prayer.


18 posted on 03/19/2005 9:07:26 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: ambrose

"This person suffering from hereditary
defects costs the people 60,000
Reichmarks during his lifetime. People,
that is your money. Read 'New People'."

19 posted on 03/19/2005 9:12:03 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

She shoots. She Scores!

(Will she rip off her shirt???)


20 posted on 03/19/2005 9:17:07 PM PST by null and void (Even if Terri didn't want to live like that, it doesn't follow that she wants to die like THIS!)
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