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Sweet cell of success (Major breakthrough in adult stem cell research could end ethical debate)
The Australian ^ | March 22, 2005 | Wayne Smith

Posted on 03/21/2005 7:51:51 AM PST by dead

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To: Terabitten

If you ever get a pounding sensation in the nasal sinuses, maybe it is just the stem cells growing a new heart between the eyes.


21 posted on 03/21/2005 11:26:38 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Celtman
Real research takes years, has unpredictable results, and often tells you things that you don't want to hear. In short, it's the antithesis of the "Process-Excellence" theme currently popular with US business school graduates.

Cutting your research budget, then hoping that somebody else will come up with your next product is like holding your breath underwater in the hopes of evolving gills.

22 posted on 03/21/2005 11:53:47 AM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: dead

Last year there was a report from Russia that using the same cells they were able to grow new spinal nerve cells.


23 posted on 03/21/2005 12:36:15 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: dead

"New nerve cells, glial cells, liver cells, heart cells, muscle cells -- all were grown in a dish from stem cells from the human nose"

So, Woody Allen's "Sleeper" was right after all!


24 posted on 03/21/2005 12:51:45 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: HolgerDansk
Cutting your research budget, then hoping that somebody else will come up with your next product is like holding your breath underwater in the hopes of evolving gills.

      I like it.
25 posted on 03/21/2005 12:54:15 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: TheDon; HolgerDansk

"Nonsense. VCs fund a great deal of research, along with companies of various sizes, including stem cell research."

I'm with Holger on this. While some private money is spent, it is swarfed by govt spending (eg NIH spending at near $40 billion). VCs much rather spend our money than theirs ... that is what the Cali stem cell boondoggle was all about: Taxpayers footing the bill for research.


26 posted on 03/21/2005 12:54:25 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: dead
>by studying adult stem cells taken from the nose


27 posted on 03/21/2005 12:56:14 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: WOSG

Which is to say that the VCs do put money into research, but would rather the taxpayers do so. Who can blame them!


28 posted on 03/21/2005 1:05:20 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: dead
It has been known for some time already that embryonic stem cells cause tumors [they grow too fast -- which is what they are supposed to do in being part of a baby developing].

Ambilical Cord Stem Cells have also proven to be great. They are easily obtained once a baby is born. The trick to the ambilical cord is that it is something that must interface with the DNA of the mother and the DNA of the baby, so it is "adaptable" to other bodies, apparently.

Finally, what they are talking about, adult stem cells, have great promise because your body will not reject your own cells and your own DNA [I certainly hope not].

Embryonic Stem Cells, besides being immoral [killing someone for research purposes] is a waste of money and time, but people can make billions off the waste by "controlling the research".

29 posted on 03/21/2005 1:42:52 PM PST by Richard Proute (Richard Prouty of Scituate -- Great, Great, Great Grandson)
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To: dead

Great, just when I get a truckload of fetuses....

Cartman (on phone): Okay Gary. How about $90 a fetus?
Gary: How about $50 a fetus?
Cartman (on phone): Come on Gary. You are breaking my balls Gary! You are breaking my balls. How about $70? Okay, I'll call you back.


30 posted on 03/21/2005 2:45:18 PM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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To: feinswinesuksass

The bottom really fell out of the fetus market once Superman sailed off for bluer skies.


31 posted on 03/21/2005 2:49:23 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: HolgerDansk

Horsehockey. Private industry spends everything but the CEOs bonus on clinical research. What was the last disease cured by a government?


32 posted on 03/21/2005 6:18:15 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: HonestConservative
What was the last disease cured by a government?

You're confusing research with development. Research will tell you only that beta blockers will work (and that came from a series of NIH grants), but only development will produce the actual beta blocker drugs. The goal of clinical "research" is to develop the latter.

33 posted on 03/21/2005 6:30:50 PM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: HolgerDansk

I am sure you have heard of R & D.

I am not confusing either. Pharmaceutical companies must do both. I know, I did both. They do not rely on the NIH for research.


34 posted on 03/21/2005 6:41:20 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: dead

bookmarked...thanks


35 posted on 03/21/2005 10:10:12 PM PST by syriacus (Why is Michael Schiavo trying to "end the misery" of a woman he says can't think or feel?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The difference between "totipotent" and "pluripotent." A totipotent cell can become any kind of cell. A pluripotent cell is limited to becoming a certain range of cells. Even a totipotent cell is not necessarily identical to a one-celled embryo - it will not put into play the self-directions to develop into a complex organism - unless it is manipulated to so. That's why, in order to clone (so far) you have to take a cell nucleus and insert it into an denucleated egg, and then stimulate the egg.


36 posted on 03/22/2005 4:53:25 AM PST by heartwood
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To: dead
The nose again! Supposedly it's the developing nasal cavity where the embryonic stem cells are being taken for a lot of the embryonic research. I read of a couple of "miracle" experiments out of China and NK.

Suppose any nose'll do?

That'll just crush the pro-aborts. They've been needed a noble excuse to abort more babies.

37 posted on 03/22/2005 5:42:26 AM PST by Mamzelle (and how do you like your blue-eyed boy, mr. death?)
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To: feinswinesuksass; dead
>Great, just when I get a truckload of fetuses....

In the modern world,
there is no commodity
without a market.

I've NO connection
to these people, but they might
unload your shipment . . .




Eat Babies

38 posted on 03/22/2005 7:14:55 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: heartwood

Don't bet that pluripotent stem cells won't soon be converted into totipotent ones. Researchers have already figured out how to grow eggs from male embryonic stem cells. And how to fertilize an egg using half the genetic material from any cell in the body. And one of the proposed methods for using adult stem cells to create new organs or specialized cells to treat medical conditions, involves putting the genetic material from an adult stem cell into an egg (either natural, or artificially produced) which has been stripped of its original genetic material, and then coaxing the egg to start developing as an embryo. When this technique is refined to the point where it can produce any needed organ or cell type, you can be sure it will also be at the point where it can produce a baby who is a clone of the adult whose stem cell was used. At which point stopping the embryo from developing into a baby, by steering it to grow only into the desired organ or cell type, is no different from stopping any other embryo from developing into ababy, in order to use it for some other purpose. We'd all better get used to it, because this technology will arrive in our lifetimes.


39 posted on 03/22/2005 8:05:39 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: theFIRMbss

That is hilarious. I love the disclaimer:

This site is merely a joke website. Do not take it too seriously. If you do not like our humor you don't have to type eatbabies.com in your browser, you sick, sick individual.


40 posted on 03/22/2005 8:33:38 AM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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