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Report: 10 Million Illegal Aliens in U.S.
News Max ^ | Monday, March 21, 2005 | NewsMax

Posted on 03/21/2005 11:01:53 AM PST by tomball

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To: hosepipe

Another key question should be what's going to happen when the inevitable day comes and their welfare benefits are stopped...don't think they're going to be very happy amigos....LA will be toast within a week.


51 posted on 03/21/2005 1:13:47 PM PST by american spirit
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To: todd1

You sound like a young impressionable guy so I'll be easy on you. Yes, business is business but how we can we have a viable economy where businesses are playing by different sets of rules? Hiring illegals is a violation of federal law yet it still happens.......how many federal laws could you break and still stay out prison? We cannot survive with a two tier system where some are forced to play by the rules and others in the "in crowd" go completely scott-free.....that's called a banana republic .......do we really want to degenerate that far?

Yes, many businesses do lower their costs by hiring illegals.....but do they pass on their savings to their customer base?.......don't think so. Prices for many goods and services are very high even though business owners have replaced Americans with illegals.......it isn't too hard to figure out that whatever a business saves by BREAKING THE LAW and hiring illegals is going into the owners/shareholders pocket. Invariably these people hire illegals at minimal wages and then stick the taxpayers with the rest of the living expenses (food, medical, housing, etc.)......some deal huh?

Keyword aztlan, reconquista, MECHA, el plan de aztlan and you'll see there's much more to this picture.


52 posted on 03/21/2005 1:26:02 PM PST by american spirit
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To: american spirit
[ don't think they're going to be very happy amigos....LA will be toast within a week. ]

And the problem.?.
That would be a good thing.. an illegal riot..
However that won't happen.. All riots must be routed thru Compton and East L.A...
The drug lords won't have it.. would disrupt too much business.. and put light on the mule train.. they've worked too hard to create..

53 posted on 03/21/2005 1:30:26 PM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
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Only 10 Million? How many W-2s in the dead file at the end of the year?

54 posted on 03/21/2005 1:52:23 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Next up is Operation 4th of July)
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To: HiJinx
Only 10 Million?

My guess is that multiplying that figure by a factor of between 2 and 3 would be more accurate.

55 posted on 03/21/2005 1:56:22 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

That sounds close, or it may be higher.

I'd be about willing to bet that number is arrived at by taking apprehension stats and multiplying by the number that ICE says escape notice at the borders - 2 to 3 get through for every one caught.

The agents themselves (as well as residents here) will tell you the number is much closer to 7-10 make it through for every one caught.


56 posted on 03/21/2005 2:02:13 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Next up is Operation 4th of July)
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To: Dante3

I couldn't agree more!


57 posted on 03/21/2005 2:02:39 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: tomball

I'll bet we got another 10 mill in L.A. alone last year!


58 posted on 03/21/2005 2:07:45 PM PST by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: thoughtomator
I am completely convinced that this more than constitutes an unignorable act of war, for Mexico to send 10 million of its citizens here.

And it's an act of treason to allow it.

59 posted on 03/21/2005 2:10:58 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: todd1
If we hold employers accountable then this should not be a problem.

But we won't hold employers accountable. We have not in the past and we won't in the future. Congress passed the most comprehensive employers sections laws back in 1996. As of today, they go unenforced.

60 posted on 03/21/2005 2:12:44 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Dante3
That is why we need the military to start rounding them up and deporting them as well as protecting our borders.

The last thing we need is to waste military assets rounding up illegals. Our military is already stretched to the breaking point. The use of National Guard and Reserves at current rates is proof of that.

If you want to round up illegals hire more INS agents or authorize the police to round them up.

61 posted on 03/21/2005 2:15:51 PM PST by Joe Miner
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To: bpjam
El Presidente Fox Demands U.S. Control Extremists -- so Illegals can get through
El Mexican Presidente Fox Demands Walls Along Border Must Be Razed

Illegal Aliens Threaten U.S. Medical System

Under Siege ...... in Cochise County
Arizona 'Minutemen' Project - Items

(Border Issues)

Arizona Proposed Prison Bill 'insults' Mexico's Sovereignty

MEXICO CITY - Mexico has rejected a proposal by some Arizona lawmakers to move undocumented inmates to a privately run prison south of the border, calling it an "insult" to Mexico's sovereignty.

Arizonans pay $80 million to $100 million a year to house the 4,000 Mexican Illegal Aliens (which Mexico calls “migrants”) in Arizona state prisons.

The measure is simply aimed at saving money for the Arizona taxpayer.

The governor of Arizona will do nothing to stem the flow of illegal aliens saying it is a federal matter. McCain and Congressman Kolbe are of little help. This invasion is about 90% drugs, the other 10% are laborers both legal and illegal spread out all over the country. The drug war is heating up and could bring both America and Mexico down; these are NOT nice people and they threaten all citizens. We have a Terrorist problem and a Drug War problem – both are becoming indistinguishable.


62 posted on 03/21/2005 2:33:48 PM PST by yoe
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To: american spirit

Two thirds to half right. Nobody really knows. That's a sad commentary.


63 posted on 03/21/2005 2:45:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: tomball

Wait till they get the vote..


65 posted on 03/21/2005 3:02:15 PM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: unkus
I'm in Rye, CO and you exaggerate too much.

No I don't. Pueblo is over 80% Hispanic with many of those illegals and criminals from Mexico. You must not get down to Wal-Mart much from Rye.

Oh... and Welcome to Free Republic!

66 posted on 03/21/2005 3:03:37 PM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: todd1

ATTENTION: THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CHICAGO ON TUESDAY MARCH 22nd 2005

FAIR Immigration Reform Meeting in Chicago
March 22, Lincoln Restaurant

Mark Your Calendars!

Concerned about the impact illegal immigration has on Illinois taxpayers? Join the fight to crack down on illegal immigration by attending a March 22 FAIR meeting in Chicago. FAIR's Midwest Field Director Susan Tully and Senior Government Relations Associate Sandra Gunn will be there to discuss the impact illegal immigration has on the state of Illinois and what can be done about it.

The goal of this meeting is to get a group of likeminded people together to set an action plan for combating illegal immigration in Illinois. Please attend and bring at least one friend with you!


MEETING DETAILS:
WHEN: Tuesday, March 22, 7:00PM

WHERE: Lincoln Restaurant
(4008 North Lincoln Ave, Chicago, IL)




Dear Immigration Reformers,

Below please read an e-mail that was sent out by the Illinois Coalition
for
Immigrant and Refugee Rights to their members about our meeting at the
Lincoln Restaurant. They are calling for a candlelight vigil against
"hate" because we are meeting to discuss illegal immigration.

Since they are planning to be there at 6:30, a half hour before our
meeting
starts, I wish to ask you all not to engage any of these people in
discussion, and not to do anything other than walk past and ignore
these
people. I have spoken to the restaurant manager, Tony, he said we are
meeting in a private room, it is a private meeting, and if they start
any
trouble he will call the police.

Often these groups are successful in getting meetings stopped because
the
restaurant owners are afraid of trouble. It is a very effective way to
stifle freedom of speech. I am sure the media will be there and I
prefer
that you don't speak to them, we already know what side they are on.
Please do not be afraid to come to the meeting, in fact, please bring a
friend or someone you know who is also interested in the issue of
illegal
immigration.

Susan Tully
Midwest Field Director
FAIR





TO ALL ICIRR MEMBERS:

We usually don't forward messages from those who vilify immigrants and
want
our country to roll up the welcome mat. But this was an opportunity we
simply could not let pass by.

WHAT: FAIR, the nation's leading anti-immigrant group, is coming to our
neighborhood next week to spread their message of hate "illegal aliens
and
the potential terrorists among them" . We want you to there with us to
denounce their hate-speech, alongside dozens of ICIRR leaders and an
interfaith assembly of clergy.

TAKE ACTION: On the eve of President Bush and Mexican President Vicente
Fox's meeting next Wednesday, join us for a Prayer Vigil to end hate
speech
against hardworking immigrants, and work towards an inclusive
immigration
policy that rewards hard work and keeps families together. Our work in
communities is based on values of compassion, fairness, hard work and
the
rule of law.

Prayer Vigil Against Hate
6:30 PM, Tuesday, March 22
Lincoln Restaurant (4008 N.
Lincoln)

WHY: FAIR knows what we know: This year we have a unique opportunity
to
help legalize millions of hard-working immigrant families. FAIR and
other
anti-immigrant groups will use every chance and use any hate-tinged,
fear-mongering message they can use to derail that train.

Just scroll down to see what they say about the Drivers License bill
that we
just helped pass out of a House Committee last week!

Please forward this message to your listservs and colleagues. See you
Tuesday!

For more information call Mehrdad Azemun at the Illinois Coalition for
Immigrant and Refugee Rights, 312.332.7360, ext 14 or email:
mazemun@icirr.org


67 posted on 03/21/2005 3:51:31 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: unkus

I stand corrected on the percentage. I got that through the Pueblo Chieftain (which is more often wrong than right). City of Pueblo statistics show a roughly 50% number on Hispanics. But, this still seems low. I do know that it is tough to visit the park down the street because of the Hispanic gang activity and that English is a 2nd language now just about everywhere I go.


68 posted on 03/21/2005 3:52:10 PM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: eno_

Allston and Framingham have become Brazil North!


69 posted on 03/21/2005 3:52:38 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible".)
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To: HMFIC
I just want them OUT of the USA. Peacefully if possible, forcibly if need be.

They're not going peacefully or otherwise. Yesterday our Ohio Sunday paper had a front page story about our city's illegals, and how hard it is for them living in fear that the father might be sent back to Mexico. What a hoot! Then the wife spoke, she said "We're not going back. We are staying right here and raising our children here."

Meanwhile our Catholic Churches in the city are adding thousands of illegals to their churches and schools. However, most get county funds like free housing - we have two high rises for Mexicans here, and a few other poor. Also the hospital gives them free birthing classes, expensive car seats, and from the Government (Ha) which is us, they get free milk and food, and their other health needs are cared for at the Free Clinic here. (Free for illegals not residents)

Meanwhile, our city's elderly are paying higher and higher taxes to the city to help pay the bills, while their own health care is cut. Yeah, "they are doing the jobs here that Americans won't do." Bull Krap. They are here to suck the system dry, and George Bush will give them every chance to do that.

70 posted on 03/21/2005 3:54:33 PM PST by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: todd1

"for cheaper and for no benefits"

Sure, then when their kid gets sick they take him to the ER which has to accept him. Eventually hospitals become overburdened and close up. I live in LA, its happening here already. There's no such thing as a free lunch.


71 posted on 03/21/2005 4:00:24 PM PST by free_european
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To: AlbertaBeef
Pretty scary, isn't it?
72 posted on 03/21/2005 4:19:48 PM PST by tomball
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To: kevrocks

OPEN ARMS BABY!!!


73 posted on 03/21/2005 4:32:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: todd1
I live in Houston and the illegals really don't bother me. I can get a full car was for $15 dollars. Have my lawn mowed for $20. Go to the taco stand and get carnitas, barbacoa, and any other taco for about a buck each. In addition, I have a lady that cleans my house and does my laundry for $30.

It's obvious that you care deeply. Thank you for helping to preserve our national sovereignty.

74 posted on 03/21/2005 4:33:53 PM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: tomball

That's a lot of lawn services....


75 posted on 03/21/2005 4:34:59 PM PST by dakine
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To: tomball

bump


76 posted on 03/21/2005 4:39:26 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: todd1
I think a job should go to who wants it most

Groovy. 5 billion people want yours. So quit and get out of the way. Maybe you can move to Pakistan.

We live in a world economy

"We" live in the economy we vote for. The world...who cares?

Getting a job at the plant and retiring on a fat pension are in the past

Only if you're a middle class worker. If you're a big campaign contributor at the top, it's fatter then ever.

As Americans we need to educate ourselves and start finding new ways to make money

What crap. More people are more educated than ever before in this country. It would be hard to imagine much more. It won't matter if intellectual property is copied, stolen, carried away or whatever, it'll just be gone.

77 posted on 03/21/2005 4:39:42 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Dante3
Our borders need secured, and the INS needs to do its job. Maybe our military would be a good start.  The Arizona border in itself has some real issues that money alone can't stop. (Multimillion-dollar border effort had little impact, analysis shows) The worst part is once the border patrols stop these people (or detain them), they  are flown back into Mexico at the U.S. expense.  We get to pay for them coming and going.   Legal is one thing.  Flaunting immigration laws, trespassing/violating American property, and taking advantage of the U.S. taxpayer is quite another.

 

78 posted on 03/21/2005 4:59:59 PM PST by tomball
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To: tomball

I don't but it the number is too low. 4 million estimated illegal aliens enter this country annually, yet there is only 10 million here? Try somewhere like at least 26 million given the idea that some may return home. Half of them are living in the State of California.


79 posted on 03/21/2005 5:13:19 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: tomball

When Californians cannot find an open hospital inside California due to the illegals who show up at hospitals and get treated even though the doctors and nurses know they will not get a dime ever, maybe then they will realize they need to close the border. Chances are, they're will be a mass exodus of the working class from California, leaving it over run with illegal Mexicans who do not support the state through taxes or anything economical and the property values will plummet to fractions of their current values causes a total economic collapse. My guess is 10-15 years tops.


80 posted on 03/21/2005 5:23:23 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: todd1

You do realize that the taxpayers adn consumers still subsidize the labor because of welfare?
It would make more sense to directly subsidize American labor than to import foreign unskilled labor.


81 posted on 03/21/2005 5:26:16 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: rmlew

I've given up thinking I'll ever see the terms 'making sense'
'illegal immigration' & 'fedgov' all in the same sentence. This crap won't stop until the American public developes and acts on a plan to force our alleged leaders to protect our interests.


82 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:52 AM PST by american spirit
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To: HMFIC; All

One more time so it's absolute clear. I want no part of any armed vigilante movement against illegal aliens or anyone else. FR will NOT be used to promote or recruit for any such action. Anyone who advocates shooting or violence against illegal aliens will be banned. Do not attempt to promote the so-called minuteman project on FR. Your posting privileges will be revoked.


83 posted on 03/22/2005 12:11:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, Mr. Robinson for your post. I am in total agreement with your position. This news article was posted for its content and information only. Intelligent comment is welcome. Violent response is not.


84 posted on 03/22/2005 1:03:48 PM PST by tomball
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To: tomball

10,000,000. Ten million. History will not be kind to our political "leadership" from say 1965 on.


85 posted on 03/22/2005 7:09:28 PM PST by daguberment (The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish....)
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