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Smith & Wesson to manufacture Walther PPK/s
Combat Handguns via Cylinder & Slide ^ | <arch, 2005 | Dennis Prisbrey

Posted on 03/21/2005 11:51:58 AM PST by Servant of the 9

The NRA is also reporting that S&W will manufacture a version of the Walther PPK/s that at 20.8 oz. is 3 oz. less than the original.

Walther and Smith & Wesson have been tighter than two fingers in a mitten recently, with Walther \USA (the US branch of the company) sharing the same corporate address as Smith & Wesson in Springfield, and some commingling of personnel and assets. Walther USA has disbanded, and now Smith & Wesson is the US distributor for Walther products, as well as the maker of the current PPK/S. So we're up to date on the who, what, where and why, let's take a look at the gun.

Gun Details

Smith and Wesson and Walther have big plans for the PPK/S-the Walther website catalogs four versions of the pistol, two in stainless (bright & satin), one in blue, and one in a two-tone finish. The bright stainless pistol is listed in both .32ACP and .380ACP, the other three in .380ACP only.

When I first heard that the guns were being resurrected in the U8A again, I asked for an early production sample to test. When it arrived, it looked just like a bright stainless .380 PPK'S with a couple of new touches.

The basic frame on the S&W produced pistol is cast for Walther/S&W by Ruger's Pine Tree casting facility in New Hampshire, with final machining done by Smith & Wesson. The slide and other major components are produced in-house by S&W. My sample PPK'S came with the typical small sights and very heavy double-action trigger pull common to the breed, along with black plastic checkere4 grips and two 7-round magazines, one with finger rest and one without. The pistol features a rounded hammer spur, safety lever on the left rear of the slide, magazine latch button up near the slide behind the triggerguard on the left side of the frame, and the blowback pistol operates the same way as its multinational predecessors. With a loaded magazine and round chambered with the hammer down, the first shot is double-action and all subsequent shots are single-action. The safety lever also works as a de-cocker. Rotate it down and the hammer falls to a safety position with a small bar of steel blocking it from contact with the firing pin. You can carry the pistol with the safety down or up, if it's down the hammer can't be cocked, if it's up the trigger will work the hammer either cocked or uncocked. The safety will NOT lock the cocked hammer, there's no way to safely carry this pistol with the hammer back and a live round in the chamber, unless you have a holster that puts the thumbstrap between the hammer and the firing pin, and I've never seen one for a PPK/S. This pistol's action was revolutionary in 1929, and its whole reason for being was safe carry with the hammer down while being ready for immediate use with that DA trigger. The Walther/S&W PPK/S also retains the loaded chamber indicator ~in in the slide just below the rear sight. One major new feature that anybody who shoots this pistol very much ought to really like is the extended tang that eliminates the hammer bite the little pistol tends to produce. Also, this PPK/S has a brand new second hammer strut inside that Smith & Wesson says is there to help reduce the heavy. DA trigger pull that's built into the design.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; ppk; ppks; smithwesson; walther
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First the 1911, now the PPK. Looks like the new S&W wants to become a one stop shop.
Wonder when they will produce a single action?

SO9

1 posted on 03/21/2005 11:52:06 AM PST by Servant of the 9
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To: Servant of the 9

I was kind of wondering why they aren't making any attempt to get into the Single Action stuff as well. Colt is making money at it, and SASS is apparently doing rather well. Colt and S&W were the big two when it came to the Old West.

Then again, I have a bit of Cowboy Action bias here.


2 posted on 03/21/2005 11:54:56 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Servant of the 9

strange... My dad has a Walther PPK. nice gun. good at close range, useless over 50 yards or so.


3 posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:50 AM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: Echo Talon

I prefer Sig P232 myself


4 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:24 AM PST by rudy45
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To: glock rocks

ping


5 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:38 AM PST by al baby (Dick Trickle is not just a medical condition)
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To: Servant of the 9

Its a lovely design, but with the 380 in single stack is a bit dated. There are 9mm's of that size out there,,,Khar's. For a cheaper smaller 380 look at the Kel-Tec. But nevertheless, I sure would like to have one, two, etc. New a guy who every time he bought a gun he would buy two of them. One to use and one just to have. LOL /p>


6 posted on 03/21/2005 11:58:16 AM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Servant of the 9

Let S and W bring back the Schofield. The prices Navy Arms are charging for their repro are ridiculous!


8 posted on 03/21/2005 12:00:13 PM PST by Bombardier (That's the life of an outlaw. Tough, ain't it?)
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To: AZ_Cowboy
I was kind of wondering why they aren't making any attempt to get into the Single Action stuff as well.

They seem to have dropped production of the Schofield, at least the unengraved model.

SO9

9 posted on 03/21/2005 12:01:33 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: rudy45

I like Sig's too.. my dads PPK is an old model, I believe its was made soon after WWII, its in great shape. My mother bought it for him as a christmas present.


10 posted on 03/21/2005 12:01:59 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: Bombardier
Let S and W bring back the Schofield. The prices Navy Arms are charging for their repro are ridiculous!

S&W brought back the Schofield before Navy Arms, but they were even more expensive.

SO9

11 posted on 03/21/2005 12:03:25 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9
Wonder when they will produce a single action?

Probably never. Ruger will eat their lunch.

12 posted on 03/21/2005 12:03:55 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Servant of the 9

13 posted on 03/21/2005 12:04:51 PM PST by demlosers (Soylent Green is made in Florida)
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To: Servant of the 9
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14 posted on 03/21/2005 12:05:25 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Cobra64
Wonder when they will produce a single action?

Probably never. Ruger will eat their lunch.

Maybe. With todays modern steels it is perfectly possible to build an exact reproduction of the Colt single action that could handle the pressure of Buffalo Bore loads or be chambered for .454 Cassul without going to the Ruger Fatboy design.

So9

15 posted on 03/21/2005 12:07:39 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: AZ_Cowboy
Then again, I have a bit of Cowboy Action bias here.

I'm with you on that, and have a pair of Ruger Bisley Vaqueros in .357. My carry gun is a Sig P232 in stainless.

16 posted on 03/21/2005 12:08:12 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: rudy45
I prefer Sig P232 myself

Me too. See my last post. The Sig is much more reliable feeding JHPs.

17 posted on 03/21/2005 12:10:18 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: demlosers

WWJBC?

18 posted on 03/21/2005 12:10:29 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: LightCrusader
Beautiful firearm. The single action would be real nice, even worth buying maybe....

How is an SA going to work chambering and firing .380 ACP cartridges?

19 posted on 03/21/2005 12:12:53 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: demlosers

Also dont forget the PPK is the weapon that killed Hiter. :D


20 posted on 03/21/2005 12:14:45 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: Servant of the 9
I hope this one turns out better than the ones made in Gadsden, Alabama. (For the record, I love Gadsden and can't figure out how they managed to not do a good job, but they did).

I have owned around a dozen Walthers, including SS PPK/s and TPH models. Both were jammers despite looking nice.

I hate to admit it but the post war PP's made by Manurhin in France have uniformly been great.

I might add that I have two Hungarian copies, one in .22 and one in .380, and I think I like them better than most of the real Walthers, and the price can't be beat.

21 posted on 03/21/2005 12:15:16 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Beelzebubba
WWJBC?

Today, James Bond would carry as his backup gun the Rohrbaugh R-9:

rohrbaughfirearms.com

Smallest, lightest 9mm, and a true pocket gun. Fit and finish of the finest custom gun. A sublime DA trigger. Worth every penny of the $800-900 price.

22 posted on 03/21/2005 12:16:53 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: yarddog

The one my dad has was made in Germany, cant remember the exact stamp on it but I know it was made in Germany... As for jamming the weapon has not ever been fired much, was bought new and probably has had less that 100 rounds fired through it... Dont believe him saying anything about jamming.


23 posted on 03/21/2005 12:19:06 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: Servant of the 9
A hot .357 load wears me out... much less a Casull! It'd probably knock me on my ass. LOL.

Besides, it's those nasty high speed, stealthy, single action, assault weapons that causes all of the crime, famines, earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, thunder storm electrocutions, and volcano eruptions on the planet. /sarcasm

24 posted on 03/21/2005 12:20:31 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Bombardier
Let S and W bring back the Schofield. The prices Navy Arms are charging for their repro are ridiculous!

I agree. Gawd, what a beautiful handgun.

25 posted on 03/21/2005 12:20:55 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Servant of the 9

I read about this some time ago, apparently they are tackling the issue of the slide biting back, if you've ever fired one (PPK) before sometimes the slide will give you a little "love bite"...

MD


26 posted on 03/21/2005 12:22:08 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Echo Talon
Most, if not all, blued postwar PP's and PPK's were made in France although they are stamped "made in Germany". Also a lot of the P-38's were also made there, especially the aluminum frame ones.

I understand it is considered proper in Europe for guns to be made in France, shipped to Germany, where they check them over, maybe blue them and stamp them as made in Germany.

27 posted on 03/21/2005 12:22:59 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog
i just did a little search on PPK and found a picuture that looks exactly like the one my dad has. here is the link
here
Here is the picutre

28 posted on 03/21/2005 12:26:48 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: yarddog
Both were jammers despite looking nice.
PP's made by Manurhin in France have uniformly been great.

Your experiences with these firearms exactly match mine.

29 posted on 03/21/2005 12:32:58 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Cobra64
A hot .357 load wears me out... much less a Casull! It'd probably knock me on my ass. LOL.

Well, the nice thing is that just as you can shoot a .38 special from a .357, you can shoot a .45LC through a .454 Casull. Although I'm not 100% sure that's recommended in the Freedom Arms revolvers, due to the extremely tight tolerances (I could be completely wrong, though).

A fun little prank to pull is load up a cylinder of light load .45LC, and then let someone take a few shots... Slip in a full bore .454 Casull with their cylinder! :-)

Mark

30 posted on 03/21/2005 12:35:47 PM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Cannonette

Want to replace your Makarov?


31 posted on 03/21/2005 12:35:58 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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To: AZ_Cowboy; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Grampa Dave; ...

                                

32 posted on 03/21/2005 12:37:39 PM PST by devolve (WWII : http://pro.lookingat.us/RealHeros.html Kerry-Heinz : http://pro.lookingat.us/RealZeros.html)
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To: Servant of the 9

My Dad brought back a Walther PPK from Germany after WWII. It's .22 caliber. Is it rare?


33 posted on 03/21/2005 12:37:52 PM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: Echo Talon
Also dont forget the PPK is the weapon that killed Hiter. :D

Guns don't kill people.... =)
34 posted on 03/21/2005 12:39:26 PM PST by SpinnerWebb (Money can't buy everything... but what the hell can you buy without it?)
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To: Servant of the 9

So, like every other semiauto pistol that S&W has copied or made under license lately, will this PPK/s have lousy tolerances and be a jam-o-matic? Or will it simply blow up (like the Smegma)?


35 posted on 03/21/2005 12:40:36 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MarkL

The problem with .45 Colt in a .454 Casull FA is that the lead residue that builds up in the chambers from the .45 Colt can create pressure problems unless it is all cleaned out before firing .454. (If you don't believe me, refer all flames to John Taffin.)


36 posted on 03/21/2005 12:40:40 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Slim, You're past due on your tagline invoice, please remit. Thanks, Jim Rob)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Well... Hitler killed himself with the help of a PPK and some lead.


37 posted on 03/21/2005 12:41:10 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: Beelzebubba


http://pro.lookingat.us/007.5.html


38 posted on 03/21/2005 12:41:34 PM PST by devolve (WWII : http://pro.lookingat.us/RealHeros.html Kerry-Heinz : http://pro.lookingat.us/RealZeros.html)
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To: AZ_Cowboy
Then again, I have a bit of Cowboy Action bias here.

The new range for the End of the Trail is about 4 miles from my house, how cool is that?

39 posted on 03/21/2005 12:41:54 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Slim, You're past due on your tagline invoice, please remit. Thanks, Jim Rob)
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To: johnandrhonda
My Dad brought back a Walther PPK from Germany after WWII. It's .22 caliber. Is it rare?

Here is a snipped from the website i linked

Although PPK's are banned from importation, I was able to locate this pre-GCA 1968 model manufactured by Walther. This example has the Ulm proofhaus elk antler and the Eagle-over-N Nitro-proof. There are no import marks anywhere on this pistol. It has the lanyard slot on the butt which is specific to the German made Walthers. It is chambered in the not-so-common (for PPK's made in Germany) 9mm Kurz. PPK's chambered in .22 are even less common. Rating would be 99%. Although new, it has suffered some abrasion of the finish from being in the cardboard box for the last thirty years.

Sounds like a 22 is rare...

40 posted on 03/21/2005 12:43:25 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The new range is at Founders Ranch, isn't it? Yeah, that would definately be cool.

I would have no trouble believing that lead gunking could make it difficult to go between .454 and .45 Colt.


41 posted on 03/21/2005 12:45:34 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Tijeras_Slim
The problem with .45 Colt in a .454 Casull FA is that the lead residue that builds up in the chambers from the .45 Colt can create pressure problems unless it is all cleaned out before firing .454. (If you don't believe me, refer all flames to John Taffin.)

Thanks for the info... That's why I included the following...

Although I'm not 100% sure that's recommended in the Freedom Arms revolvers, due to the extremely tight tolerances (I could be completely wrong, though).

Mark

42 posted on 03/21/2005 12:47:40 PM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Cobra64
Beautiful firearm. The single action would be real nice, even worth buying maybe....

How is an SA going to work chambering and firing .380 ACP cartridges?

A single action works just fine in .45 ACP.

I am having a Ruger Single Six Vaquero in .32 H&R rebuilt into a 5 shot in .38 Super, but of course the .38 Super is a semi-rimmed cartridge with a rim just as wide as that of a .45 Cold. Both are .01

So9

43 posted on 03/21/2005 12:59:21 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: AZ_Cowboy

S&W produced a politically and safety correct version of the famous Schofield braketop revolver...the italian replica was a better replica (though not as well machined as the S&W) and for around 1/3 the price.....S&W would have clinched the market if it was a true replica of their original........they cancelled production after about 2 years.


44 posted on 03/21/2005 1:08:39 PM PST by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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To: MarkL

"A fun little prank to pull is load up a cylinder of light load .45LC, and then let someone take a few shots... Slip in a full bore .454 Casull with their cylinder! :-)

Hey Pard, I'm not trying to be ugly with a fellow shooter, but I highly recommend against "suprising" your friends with a .454 load. At best, it could result in a dropped gun. At worst, it could be lethal. If I recall, (and someone here will correct me if I'm wrong) a 12-yr-old boy was killed here in Texas about a year ago when his Dad (or Uncle?) let him try shooting the Casull. The kiddo fired, and the gun recoiled back and hit him snack in the forehead. And I believe it killed him. Jeez, I have my 10-yr-old son shooting cowboy action with me. I just can't imagine the grief. What a horrible tragedy.


45 posted on 03/21/2005 1:13:35 PM PST by Hard Way (Razor nothin'. I'm firing up Occam's Chain Saw)
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To: Servant of the 9

you know the gun control act of 1968 banned importation of guns with barrels shorter than a certain length(which I forgot what that was....)this banned the ppk and limited importation to the PPK/S which was created to slip through the cracks....in the 80's and 90's Interarms manufactured PPK's in Viginia under license from Wather/Manurin....this bypassed the importation laws....now I guess S&W has the contract.....

if it werent for the GCA of 1968 we would be able to by genuine Wathers.....


46 posted on 03/21/2005 1:16:01 PM PST by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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To: AZ_Cowboy
I would have no trouble believing that lead gunking could make it difficult to go between .454 and .45 Colt.

That's what I've read. Personally if I can't do it with a .44 Mag, I'll stay home and watch the video.

47 posted on 03/21/2005 1:17:51 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Slim, You're past due on your tagline invoice, please remit. Thanks, Jim Rob)
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To: Spktyr
I got a pair of sigmas in 9mm and 40 and I like them a lot.
48 posted on 03/21/2005 1:24:57 PM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Servant of the 9; All

Anyone looking for an underpowered but low-cost and reliable Walther PPK/s? Look to the Makarov. The "poor man's Walther..."


49 posted on 03/21/2005 1:46:22 PM PST by donozark (OLD ARAB SAYING: The dog barks but the caravan moves on.)
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To: rudy45
"I prefer Sig P232 myself"

I've got the older 230 in blue, sweet little pistol.

50 posted on 03/21/2005 1:54:32 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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