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Regarding Terri Schiavo: Facts Should Trump Emotions and Activism
The National Ledger ^ | March 22, 2005 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 03/21/2005 10:42:07 PM PST by Coastal

So it has come to this, a true test to see if the American political system, judicial system and the American public as a whole have the ability to set aside emotion and activism in deference to the facts. So far the jury is out on this question. Just as it is out on the question of whether or not Terri Schiavo will live or die. Personally, I think we can do better, much better.

I find it reprehensible that in an age when gathering facts has never been easier or more convenient, most among us prove delinquent in doing so, even in matters of life and death and especially in those that will set precedent for future actions. It is grave evidence that our society is in a “persistent vegetative state” where the overbearing voice of the activist agenda trumps not only the good of the people but common sense. Our failure to ascertain facts or even be tempted by unanswered questions renders us neutered by political correctness.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalledger.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: schiavo; terri; terrischiavo

1 posted on 03/21/2005 10:42:08 PM PST by Coastal
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To: Coastal

Good article. Facts are ticklish things, sometimes.


2 posted on 03/21/2005 10:44:20 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Coastal
On April 25th of 2001 Cyndi stated that Michael Schiavo admitted to lying about Terri expressing anything about her wishes regarding life sustaining treatment in the event of severe disability. While Cyndi later refused to testify citing her fear of Michael Schiavo, the issue became moot when just a day later on April 26th Judge George Greer refused to hear any testimony at all regarding Michael Schiavo’s statement. No investigation. No consideration. Nothing.

ooooooooooooooooooh.

3 posted on 03/21/2005 10:46:29 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Coastal
In this instance the Schindlers (Terri Schiavo’s parents), practicing Catholics who have always considered their family close, claim that Terri would never have considered ending her life given these circumstances. While the tenets of Terri’s religion reinforce this claim, her spouse, with no other proof than his word, claims otherwise. Thus we have a “He-Said-She-Said” dilemma. That is until we hear a statement made by an ex-girlfriend of Michael Schiavo’s referred to only as “Cyndi” due to the fact that she fears the man. Obviously this is why she is an “ex-girlfriend.”

On April 25th of 2001 Cyndi stated that Michael Schiavo admitted to lying about Terri expressing anything about her wishes regarding life sustaining treatment in the event of severe disability. While Cyndi later refused to testify citing her fear of Michael Schiavo, the issue became moot when just a day later on April 26th Judge George Greer refused to hear any testimony at all regarding Michael Schiavo’s statement. No investigation. No consideration. Nothing.

Now there's a new fun twist to this drama.

What a scumbag.

4 posted on 03/21/2005 10:48:35 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Coastal

Great piece. Thanks for that.


5 posted on 03/21/2005 10:48:50 PM PST by cainin04 (It is not a calamity to die with dreams unfulfilled; it is a calamity to not have any dreams.)
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To: Earthdweller
What a scumbag.

That's putting it mildly. He is a sociopath just like Scott Peterson. They need to have their way and control over everyone and everything around them. I hope his "fiancee'" has a living will. She is probably going to need it when he gets tired of her.

7 posted on 03/21/2005 10:52:30 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Coastal
The question here is, who determined that Terri Schiavo met the criteria for being in PVS? While 14 independent doctors — including six neurologists — adamantly refute the diagnosis of PVS, stating that therapy would be beneficial to Ms. Schiavo, Judge Greer has consistently excluded their testimony in favor of opinions from four doctors that adhere to the PVS diagnosis.

Of the 4 doctors selected to be the court’s medical authorities, three were hand-picked by Michael Schiavo and one was selected by Judge Greer.

Surprise, surprise!

Testimony from Terry's nurse...... Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out “I’m going to be rich!,” and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things.

Remember, Terri's husband bought her life insurance policy from his new wife.

8 posted on 03/21/2005 10:55:18 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Coastal
A lot of facts. Here's a link that shows the 40 or so legal screwups of Judge Greer on this case. :

http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/

9 posted on 03/21/2005 10:56:11 PM PST by pulaskibush
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To: Earthdweller

Sooooo .. is Judge Greer getting a piece of the action from Michael ..?? It really looks that way - and it's very disturbing.


10 posted on 03/21/2005 11:04:00 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Coastal
I find it reprehensible that in an age when gathering facts has never been easier or more convenient, most among us prove delinquent in doing so, even in matters of life and death and especially in those that will set precedent for future actions.

Unto him to whom much is given, much is expected.

11 posted on 03/21/2005 11:06:46 PM PST by Lexinom (You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.)
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To: concerned about politics

Good heaven.


12 posted on 03/21/2005 11:07:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: CyberAnt
Dr. Ronald Cranford, is on the board of the Euthanasia Society of America, has ties to the Hemlock Society and even advocates denial of spoon-feeding for the disabled.

To say the very least, the word impartial cannot be used when discussing the medical testimony provided in this case, neither can the word thorough. In fact, the “deck was stacked” in Michael Schiavo’s favor, something easily done when one is the “dealer.”

How can anyone ignore these facts? How can they still allow her so-called husband to be her guardian after how he's treated her all these years?

13 posted on 03/21/2005 11:08:01 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Coastal

bttt


14 posted on 03/21/2005 11:09:23 PM PST by lainde
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To: concerned about politics
If I posted my thoughts right now, I'd get more than a one week time out from our esteemed host.

L

15 posted on 03/21/2005 11:09:32 PM PST by Lurker (Remember the Beirut Bombing; 243 dead Marines. The House of Assad and Hezbollah did it..)
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To: Coastal

Well done article! Thank you!


16 posted on 03/21/2005 11:13:22 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Lurker
Michael Schiavo has petitioned to have Terri cremated immediately after her death.

No autopsy to find out what really happened to her.

17 posted on 03/21/2005 11:14:16 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: concerned about politics

Your question is what I have been asking for years.


18 posted on 03/21/2005 11:15:02 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Coastal
Governor of Florida calls in Feds.

"I'm not sure we can get it done here in Florida," Martinez quoted (Gov.) Bush as saying just after a new Schiavo measure stalled in the Florida Legislature. "Do whatever you can federally."

It seems the Governor of the State has found no relief and lost confidence in the Legislature and Judiciary and has called in the Feds. It can't now be said that the Feds have no business there.

The Executive Branch wields the authority of enforcement, security and investigation, Congressional investigations aside. Congress should step aside and ask the President to handle this.

Time for Federal Marshals and agents in black shiny FBI shoes.

19 posted on 03/21/2005 11:16:11 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: concerned about politics

Does anyone know how many protected species of animals there are with only a brain stem an no cerebral cortex or plants an trees with no brain at all? If Terrie were an alligator with a brain that weighs 8 grams and will fit it a teaspoon she would have every liberal in the country screaming for her continued existence.


20 posted on 03/21/2005 11:18:44 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: Coastal
MedBlog Doc debunks and questions Terri's CT scan. Other docs comment on other problems with it. Great read!
21 posted on 03/21/2005 11:19:49 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: Texasforever
One of the dumb*ss congresscritters from Florida (woman with frizzy hair) who was making a big deal of "getting involved" is famous for saving the Manatee. She even won an award for it.
22 posted on 03/21/2005 11:25:46 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Wonder what her next life will be? (thump thump) "Hey, turn the boat around, Earl. I think we hit a big 'un!"


23 posted on 03/21/2005 11:30:15 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: Texasforever
My 9 year old daughter has said it best,Why did God have to create Democrats!
24 posted on 03/21/2005 11:34:09 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: Coastal

25 posted on 03/21/2005 11:35:59 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Coastal
Excellent article.

Not familiar with the National Ledger, but I see Democrat ads.

Is this actually written by a Democrat?
26 posted on 03/21/2005 11:36:03 PM PST by Moxie18
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To: Coastal

This whole case is a total outrage of mishandling and "smoke and mirrors". Especially after reading the other day an article by an RN who used to give care to Terri and all the writings about her awareness were later changed by the husband. That is illegal! The only person who can change a document is the writer of that document and then you have to state why there were changes made and resign them. I heard somewhere that Michael is an RN. If that is true, then he has broken the law, and he knows that. Not even the patient's "kin" can change anything written in the patient's chart!


27 posted on 03/21/2005 11:38:10 PM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: Coastal
Oh! I love facts!

Here are some:

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Terri Schiavo is alive.

Terri Schiavo is innocent of any crime.

Terri Schiavo cannot speak for herself.

Terri Schiavo has been sentenced to death by starvation.

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And one of my favourite FACTS is:

Terri Schiavo has been afforded to legal representation!

"Tod Macht Frei"

28 posted on 03/21/2005 11:42:00 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: everyone

The courts are not where the action is, in this case. The federal courts are likely to stiff us, just as the state courts did.

If there is to be any real action, it will come from the Florida legislature or Governor Jeb Bush.

Go to www.rightmarch.com for a list of Florida state senators who need to be nudged. Word is we're only three votes short.


29 posted on 03/21/2005 11:42:38 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: kcvl
I have stayed out of this debate until tonight. In fact I have stayed away from FR for a while but this issue is gut wrenching. I can intellectualize all of the high minded constitutional arguments and the "right to die with dignity" arguments. In an academic sense it is possible to come down on the side of the husband in this case.

However; there comes a time when common humanity and decency outweighs all of the legalize and philosophical musings and one has to ask himself if It is always wise to be just a "nation of laws" without regard to the human cost to one helpless woman who has harmed no one, is not a burden to anyone but her husband and has a family that only wants to be allowed to care for her. When someone can show me who is being harmed by the continued existence of Terri Schiavo I may change my mind. So far no one has made that case.

30 posted on 03/21/2005 11:42:45 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: Coastal

Jeez, I actually read the whole article before posting comment. The writer has the sand not only to take the media to task, as well as the questionable circumstances regarding the development of 'facts' in the case, but to imply some potential for wrongdoing. Refreshing, imho, thanks.


31 posted on 03/21/2005 11:44:56 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (Repeal the NFA of '34! the GCA of '68! and the '86 ban!)
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To: kcvl
She is probably going to need it when he gets tired of her.

I doubt he will make that mistake again...I wonder if her potassium levels spiked right after one of his visits?

32 posted on 03/21/2005 11:50:49 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (Repeal the NFA of '34! the GCA of '68! and the '86 ban!)
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To: Texasforever

hino is claiming that it harms terri to keep her alive. that's the size of the bull.


33 posted on 03/21/2005 11:53:36 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: kcvl
"I hope his fiance has a living will."

It wouldn't matter if she did, michael will destroy it and have her starved , or God forbid if one of their children ever becomes disabled, he'll have them starved. He gets off on it.

He's already starved to death his mother, father, I believe his new wife's mother, he's in the process of starving his old wife, so starving one of his children wouldn't bother him. She better hope with all her might that her children stay healthy and are never injured, lest she has to walk down the road the Schindler's are on now.

She will come to rue the day that she ever got involved with him. That is a mathematical certainty.

34 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:37 PM PST by Pajamajan (And if God will send His angels, and if God will send a sign, will everything be alright? Pray4Terri)
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To: Pajamajan

Dictionary Definition: Murder

akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought


This is murder, folks! Call it by it's right name.


35 posted on 03/22/2005 12:05:05 AM PST by tessalu ( A)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
hino is claiming that it harms terri to keep her alive

But according to him, she is a vegetable that knows nothing, feels nothing and is just an animated corpse. If that's the case she is not being "harmed" at all. He can't have it both ways.

36 posted on 03/22/2005 12:09:27 AM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: Coastal
I have said all along that this guy's motivations are VERY questionable. He's been considered scum for many years by those following this case. Not until the infamous MSM interviews when he spewed his lies did he receive ANY sympathy. He's wanted her dead for 15 years and in fact may have caused her 'stroke'.
37 posted on 03/22/2005 12:16:33 AM PST by poobear
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To: tessalu

agreed. It's murder. Where is the judge, has he gone home, is he asleep?


38 posted on 03/22/2005 12:17:56 AM PST by Pajamajan (And if God will send His angels, and if God will send a sign, will everything be alright? Pray4Terri)
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To: Coastal
This article needs to be sent to the Wall Street Journal. Thank you so much.

The last paragraph bodes ill for all of us if this euthanasia kick takes hold. I know, if my memory was fading, someone could tell me that many years ago, I signed a living will stating that I wanted to go if it required artificial life support. I would in my pain and feeble mind resign myself to the fate I thought I had sealed many years ago.

What is so outrageous is that the next step is certainly going to be made where people will merely get an overdose of morphine and that will be the end of it for millions of lives in the future. People will get as much consideration as a cat and will be "put down" for the sake of the selfish whim of a family member.

Here is that last paragraph:

Image that when you arrive at old age you become afflicted with a debilitating disease, your mouth doesn’t want to do what you want it to and your speech isn’t what it used to be. Your arms and legs aren’t as quick to react as they once were. You are incontinent and as your body begins to wear out you require the aid of a feeding tube for nutrition and therapy to help you maintain any semblance of mobility. Your memory is fading but you are aware and appreciative of your surroundings, your family and your friends.

Now imagine Michael Schiavo is your guardian.

Sleep well, we all get older.
39 posted on 03/22/2005 12:27:22 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: Texasforever

Of course, 'tis so. It's the conundrum he faces: why kill a "dead" person?


40 posted on 03/22/2005 1:06:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Coastal

The Dems are once again siding with the wrong side.

I think of all the recent demonstrations by Dems regarding Michael Ross (on Connecticut death row, admitted murdering eight, count 'em, eight young girls), doing their best to prevent his execution, one even he thinks he deserved!

Where are the demonstrations now?

Isn't it interesting that Democrats and other liberal lowlifes fight tooth and nail to keep an admitted and convicted criminal from his jury sanctioned execution, yet don't hesitate to let a woman starve to death for the convenience of her husband, or the unborn to be cavalierly killed for the convenience of their "mothers?"

I think the operating words are "convenience" and "criminals." Characteristics of people that vote Democrat.


41 posted on 03/22/2005 9:32:34 AM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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