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A neo-nazi 'angel of death'
Guardian Unlimited via Drudge ^ | Tuesday March 22, 2005 | Sarah Left

Posted on 03/22/2005 9:23:36 AM PST by Pharmboy

Sarah Left uncovers a series of website posts apparently linking Jeff Weise to extreme rightwing politics

Jeff Weise, the 17-year-old named in newspaper reports as the gunman in the Red Lake school shooting, may have been investigated last year in connection with a shooting threat to the school, according to posts made on a Nazi website. Over a five-month period between March and August 2004, someone identifying himself as Weise posted numerous messages on a talkboard hosted by Nazi.org, the website of the Libertarian National Socialist Green party. The party promotes a Nazi philosophy of racial purity.

In March 2004, a chatroom participant tagged Todesengel ("angel of death") began a thread titled "Native American Nationalist?" and introduced himself as "Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake 'Indian' reservation in Minnesota". Todesengel expressed interest in joining the party and said he had done a great deal of research on Hitler, a man he much admired. Later in the thread, Todesengel changed his tag to NativeNazi. "When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were (are) evil and that Hitler was a very evil man, ect," wrote Todesengel, in a quote not corrected for spelling and grammar. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this. Upon reading up on his actions, the ideals and issues the German Third Reich adressed, I began to see how much of a lie had been painted about them. They truly were doing it for the better."

On April 19 2004, he posted to the talkboard: "By the way, I'm being blamed for a threat on the school I attend because someone said they were going to shoot up the school on 4/20, Hitlers birthday, and just because I claim being a National Socialist, guess whom they've pinned?"

By May 26 the incident seemed to have blown over, with Todesengel posting: "But the school threat passed and I was cleared as a suspect, I'm glad for that. I don't much care for jail, I've never been there and I don't plan on it."

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

Today the Libertarian National Socialist Green party said incidents such as yesterday's shooting were to be expected when "thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society".

"We knew [Weise] briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum. He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young," the site's administrator said in statement posted today on Nazi.org.

"Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike 'white nationalist' or 'white power' movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society," the statement continued.

In a July 13 post, NativeNazi expressed his concern that Native Americans had turned their backs on racial purity and were being weakened by "interracial mixing". He was particularly annoyed that young Native Americans were copying the culture of African Americans.

"Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run ramped. We have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight, and it's because of the rap influence. Wannabe-gangsters everywhere, I can't go 5 feet without hearing someone blasting some rap song over their speakers," he complained.

He went on: "It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant, and close minded it makes your life a living hell."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: murder; nativeamericans; school
Interesting. This guy sure was a loner...
1 posted on 03/22/2005 9:23:36 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

NAZI's, the only socialist 'right-wing' party ever....


2 posted on 03/22/2005 9:25:03 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Pharmboy
Sarah Left uncovers a series of website posts apparently linking Jeff Weise to extreme rightwing politics

What was the name of that party again?

Libertarian National Socialist Green party

Yeah, sure, it's a right-wing party.

3 posted on 03/22/2005 9:25:47 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Always Right
NAZI's, the only socialist 'right-wing' party ever....

Not only that, but this bunch had "Green" in their name as well. Literal eco-Nazis...

4 posted on 03/22/2005 9:26:39 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Pharmboy

LEFT-WING Ideology. Why can't they understand this? Government control of lives, totalitarian, authoritarian...

What is Right-wing about that?


5 posted on 03/22/2005 9:27:09 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: Pharmboy
Libertarian National Socialist Green party

Lets's see...

Green Party, right wing?

Socialist, right wing?

Libertarian, right wing? A little.

Nationalist, right wing? I'll claim patriotism rather than nationalism.

Poor reporting.

6 posted on 03/22/2005 9:27:56 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Reporter)
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To: Pharmboy
"Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike 'white nationalist' or 'white power' movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society," the statement continued.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ask any American what Nazism was about and 95% will say anti-semitism and racism. Little do they know about the whole malthusian, eugenics, purify the earth, vegetarianism, environmentalist stuff that made a lot of normal people go along with it. There's a great book called "The Nazi War On Cancer" that talks about this stuff. The Green Party is very much the modern day Nazi Party.

7 posted on 03/22/2005 9:28:41 AM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: Pharmboy

He is a socialist in the style of Stalin, Mao, ... and Hitler... all socialists.


8 posted on 03/22/2005 9:30:13 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: jcb8199
The left will never admit that the nazis were (and remain) leftwing, socialist based.

As has been said of the Austians, their two greatest achievements were convincing the world that 1) Hitler was German and 2) Beethoven was Austrian.

When this came up before, someone added: The greatest accomplishment of the left has been convincing the world that the Nazis were rightwingers.

9 posted on 03/22/2005 9:31:07 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy

Definitely the most bizarre story I have read today.


10 posted on 03/22/2005 9:33:41 AM PST by MisterRepublican (I DEMAND THAT FOX NEWS GET JENNIFER ECCLESTON BACK FROM NBC!)
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To: Odyssey-x
Here's a little bit about that book I talked about earlier "The Nazi War On Cancer".. Sounds a little like this guy?

Robert Proctor presents a great deal of evidence that the nazis' exerted massive control over most facets of ordinary citizen's lives. Yet somehow, he never reaches the obvious conclusion that such compulsive regulations,even if arguably well intentioned,ultimately lead to a large scale sacrifice of basic freedoms.

He explains how the nazis greatly restricted tobacco advertising, banned smoking in most public buildings, increasingly restricted and regulated tobacco farmers growing abilities, and engaged in a sophisticated anti-smoking public relations campaign. (Suing tobacco companies for announced consequences was a stunt that mysteriously eluded Hitler's thugs.) Despite the frightening parallels to the current war on tobacco, Mr. Proctor never even hints at the analogy. Curiously, he seems to take an approach that such alleged concern for public health shows nazism to be a more complex dogma than commonly presumed. While nothing present in the book betokens even a trace of sympathy for the Third Reich, this viewpoint seems incredibly naive. It's easy to wonder if Hitler and company were truly concerned with promoting public health. The unquenchable lust for absolute control is a far more believable motive.

Incongruously some of the book's desultory details lend further certitude to its unpromulgated thesis. Hitler not only abstained from tobacco; he also never drank and was,for the most part--a vegetarian. Frighteningly he also was an animal rights activist. The book reruns a nazi-era cartoon depicting many liberated lab animals giving the nazi salute to Hermann Goring after he outlawed animal experimentation and promised to send violators to a concentration camp. Also included is a fitting quote -now too widely suppressed from Joseph Goebbles, `the fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian; he views Christianity as a symptom of decay." Controversial as it may be in some circles, such a quote proves that nazism viewed Christianity as hatefully as it did Judaism. Passing coverage is given to the Third Reich's forays into euthanasia and eugenics. Another striking morsel is the reporting of a widespread nazi-era whispered joke `What is the ideal German? Blond like Hitler. Slim like Goring. Masculine like Goebbles...' implying that Gautlier Goebble's homosexuality was common knowledge. Nazi linguistic restrictions seem to be the counterpart of modern day `hate speech.' Words such as `catastrophe,' sabotage,' and `assassination' were to be avoided, and in a portentous move, `cripple' was replaced by `handicapped. Proctor also suggests `the word `enlightenment' (was) probably used more in the nazi period than at any other time.'

Perhaps the ultimate overlooked point of this work is the suggestion that Adolph Hitler with his anti-tobacco, anti-religion, pro-animal rights, pro-government intrusion would find success as a modern day liberal.

11 posted on 03/22/2005 9:34:11 AM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: Odyssey-x

Thanks--good post.


12 posted on 03/22/2005 9:37:05 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: MisterRepublican; beyond the sea; Howlin; cyncooper; Quilla; Peach; Mo1; Txsleuth; WestTexasWend; ..

"Libertarian National Socialist Green party"

Can't get much more LEFT WING than that.

The paper's bias is obvious.

It does show one thing......liberals have very oppressive visions.

The liberal who wrote the report just wanted to find someway to blast the right wing. Even if it means making the reporter look stupid.
But deep down inside of the reporter and the reporter's liberal pals...........they quite possibly have the same eilitist/oppressing vision that the shooter had.

Would explain a lot of anti American/anti Liberty statements that a lot of democrats make.


13 posted on 03/22/2005 9:38:58 AM PST by ArmyBratproud (<img src="http://www.959theranch.com/images/firstpage/95/LeDoux%20Banner%202.JPG">)
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Ok, this kid was a wild-eyed socialist Nazi and he is tagged with a right wing label.

The same leftist Nazis are trying to kill an useless eater in Florida.


14 posted on 03/22/2005 9:41:16 AM PST by mlmr (Oh! I'm six months pregnant! Time to get Married and rake in gifts and cash!!)
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To: Pharmboy
"It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant, and close minded it makes your life a living hell."

Right Wing?  Sounds like every whining leftist rant I've ever heard.

15 posted on 03/22/2005 9:42:16 AM PST by usgator
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To: Pharmboy
Ward Churchill disciple? Obsessed with Nazis. Sounds familiar.
16 posted on 03/22/2005 9:43:28 AM PST by BallyBill (I'm a God fearing man and with many I stand....)
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To: Pharmboy
Sarah Left?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

17 posted on 03/22/2005 9:43:35 AM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: dirtboy
Libertarian National Socialist Green party

Well, that's not a political party I ever expected to exist.....

18 posted on 03/22/2005 9:46:16 AM PST by Modernman ("They're not people, they're hippies!"- Cartman)
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To: Odyssey-x
world nationalism.

Words no longer have meaning.

19 posted on 03/22/2005 9:46:58 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Pharmboy

I think I am ready for the Lord Jesus to come back! The socialist left democrats are slowly but surely corroding our planet with their leftist agenda!


20 posted on 03/22/2005 9:48:03 AM PST by Grassontop (God's judgement on man for terminating innocent life is'nt going to be a pleasant experience!)
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Isn`t Weise a Jewish name? Like Weisenthal? Pretty strange, but on the other hand, New Yorkers electing a Nazi as Senator is even stranger, or maybe not being that they are all dim-o-rats.

Only the colors of der Nazi party for Hitlery. Red, black und white!

21 posted on 03/22/2005 9:48:47 AM PST by Imaverygooddriver (ALL MY BASE ARE BELONG TO YOU)
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Yes...that struck me also. A native American with a German or German-Jewish name. Also, you might be thinking of Weiss which means "white" in German and is a common German-Jewish name.
22 posted on 03/22/2005 9:51:11 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Always Right

This is a symptom of the theory that politics fit on a straight line when, in fact, beliefs can be all over the place.


23 posted on 03/22/2005 9:54:19 AM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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Superb! You should edit this into a great tagline!

When this came up before, someone added: The greatest accomplishment of the left has been convincing the world that the Nazis were rightwingers.

24 posted on 03/22/2005 10:02:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Pharmboy

Since when are socialists, libertarians, green party and nazi's--- right wing in any sense? They are really getting desparate......


25 posted on 03/22/2005 10:07:04 AM PST by zippee
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Libertarian National Socialist Green Party = Extreme Left Liberals (Nazis).

The left's mantra of calling Conservatives Nazis has officially ended today.

True Nazis hid who they really were (for a while) and so have Liberals.

With the euthanasia of Schiavo, abortion & the school shooting in Minnesota, they have finally been outed once and for all:

Liberals = Nazis in Disguise

26 posted on 03/22/2005 10:14:07 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: zippee

There are many libertarians in the Republican party and many of them are on this site.


27 posted on 03/22/2005 11:04:32 AM PST by opinionator
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To: Pharmboy

How does killing his grandparents fit with all the Nazi BS? Who were the others he selected to kill? Or, was it random?


28 posted on 03/22/2005 11:16:32 AM PST by blam
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Yes...interesting point. The article mentioned that his grandfather had been a law enforcement officer with the reservation for years. Perhaps the police connection doomed grandpa.


29 posted on 03/22/2005 11:26:00 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
... Hitler was not only a socialist in his own day but he would even be a ...
Hitler and other socialists is proof of what a typical socialist Hitler was. ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1143131/posts - 143k - Mar 21, 2005

30 posted on 03/22/2005 6:01:04 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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