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America: The Low-Cost Producer
Yahoo! News ^ | March 21, 2005 | Rich Smith

Posted on 03/22/2005 11:16:18 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot

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1 posted on 03/22/2005 11:16:19 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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To: 1rudeboy; Southack; nopardons; LowCountryJoe; A. Pole; hedgetrimmer
Ping.
2 posted on 03/22/2005 11:17:12 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The cost of labor appears low because the dollar is being artificially suppressed by foreigners who keep shipping goods to America, despite the fact that it's not economical to do so.


3 posted on 03/22/2005 11:21:08 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Interesting post.

BTW, please add me to your ping list.


4 posted on 03/22/2005 11:22:22 AM PST by expat_panama (finally updated my 'about' page)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Just think of how much more export business we could have if we went to a National Sales Tax! With our ultra high productivity, we would be among the lowest cost manufacturing countries on earth if US manufacturers could produce for export tax free.

Those who want to see the US remain a manufacturing power need to get on the NRST bandwagon.

5 posted on 03/22/2005 11:24:28 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Brilliant

re post 3; Did you forget your < /sarcasm > were you serious? Sometimes it's hard to tell.


6 posted on 03/22/2005 11:25:13 AM PST by expat_panama (finally updated my 'about' page)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

This is how free markets work.

And it is indicative of why we need to encourage them.


7 posted on 03/22/2005 11:26:05 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: expat_panama

You bet.


8 posted on 03/22/2005 11:30:51 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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To: expat_panama

I was serious. They are dumping their goods in America at below cost, and continue to do so even though the dollar has declined. That causes the dollar to further decline, making US labor less expensive, when measured in the euro, or the yen, for example. They don't seem to have a firm grasp on how currency markets work, or how international trade works. We've really taken them for a ride over the years, and if their past behavior is any guide, they will continue to scratch their heads, not knowing why our economy works so well, and theirs does not.

The irony is that they don't really need to know how economics works. All they've got to do is let the free market do its thing, and everything will be fine. But they haven't understood that yet. They are constantly tinkering with the result of the market, trying to get an advantage by manipulating the rates, or by imposing trade quotas or tariffs, or maybe by imposing subsidies. In the end, all of those efforts are for naught, because the exchange rate simply adjusts to negate whatever they do.

If they increase tariffs by 10%, then the exchange rate will go up by 10% and they are right back where they started from. It'll take a while, and they may think they are getting away with something in the short run, but the bottom line is that it's the underlying mix of capital and labor that determines their level of prosperity--not how well they can manipulate the markets.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 11:37:49 AM PST by Brilliant
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There was a time when American products were both inexpensive and excellent. They might still be excellent, but what happened to the inexpensive part?


10 posted on 03/22/2005 11:42:21 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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but what happened to the inexpensive part?

The Feds made it illegal to make inexpensive goods in America!!

11 posted on 03/22/2005 11:47:04 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

True, but who are the Feds besides an agent that we created and then ourselves modified to be our nanny?


12 posted on 03/22/2005 11:50:13 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Ditto
Just think of how much more export business we could have if we went to a National Sales Tax!

Noooooo! Tariffs and duties are the only constitutional form of taxation (16th amendment aside)

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13 posted on 03/22/2005 11:50:20 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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A few points:

1. America really shouldn't be in the business of manufacturing low profit-margin commodities. Lets leave that to second-tier countries like South Korea and China.
2. The trade deficit was never an issue anyways. The days of the gold standard ended a long time ago, no wealth is leaving the country.


14 posted on 03/22/2005 11:50:54 AM PST by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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And finally, there's the practical consideration that some Japanese models -- such as the Quest -- aren't even built in Japan. To sell them in China, you need to ship them from where they are built. Here.

Producing cars on two continents and shipping them both ways makes a heck of a lot of sense when you factor in the logistics of moving them from the point of manufacturing to the point of sale. If an auto manufacturer were to produce all their cars in Asia and ship a large number of them to the U.S., they would pay a higher shipping cost because the cost would have to include an empty return trip for a large ocean-going vessel.

A better scenario would be to produce a bunch of Model A vehicles in Asia, and a bunch of Model B vehicles in North America. A bunch of the Model A units from Asia would be transported for sale in North America, and a bunch of the Model B units from North America would be transported for sale in Asia on the same vessels that brought the Model A units from Asia.

15 posted on 03/22/2005 11:51:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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America really shouldn't be in the business of manufacturing low profit-margin commodities. Lets leave that to second-tier countries like South Korea and China.

Cars are low profit-margin commodities?

The trade deficit was never an issue anyways. The days of the gold standard ended a long time ago, no wealth is leaving the country.

I agree, we can always print more paper to ship overseas.

16 posted on 03/22/2005 11:52:34 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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Cars are low profit-margin commodities?

Not to the same degree as DVD players and memory chips, but they are heading in that direction.

17 posted on 03/22/2005 11:54:15 AM PST by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: RightWhale

that time was after a war when most of the world had been bombed into ashes. It took 6 to 10 years to see german industry return and it was the mid 50s when Demming went to Japan. Too many people alive in the 60s thought we where great because we shipped overseas not because the world was buying our heavy industrial products to try and rebuild.


18 posted on 03/22/2005 12:21:40 PM PST by q_an_a
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I had another period in mind, in particular the time when the Constitution was being written and Hamilton and Jay were writing their biweekly columns, about 1787.


19 posted on 03/22/2005 12:25:15 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Alberta's Child
I am tired of seeing all those stacked up shipping containers.
20 posted on 03/22/2005 1:16:42 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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