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Some in GOP Fear Effort May Alienate Voters
LA Times ^ | Mar. 22, 2005 | Janet Hook

Posted on 03/22/2005 3:19:56 PM PST by Crackingham

The extraordinary steps taken by congressional Republicans to save the life of Terri Schiavo have won plaudits from evangelical Christians and other conservative activists, but some Republicans worry about a potential backlash among others who view the intervention as an overbearing use of government power.

Just as Congress passed and President Bush signed legislation allowing federal courts to review whether Schiavo's feeding tube should be withdrawn, a poll by ABC News found that 70% of those surveyed believed congressional intervention was inappropriate.

Though some GOP strategists have argued that the issue is a political winner for the party because it appeals to religious conservatives, other Republicans warn that the bold maneuver risks alienating swing voters as well as Republicans worried about government invasions of individual privacy.

"It goes beyond shameless politics," said Tony Fabrizio, a Republican pollster. "It becomes a more crystallized proof point that we are no longer the party of smaller government. We have become a party of 'It doesn't matter what size government is as long as it is imposing our set of values.' "

Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), before voting against the bill Bush later signed, asked: "How deep is this Congress going to reach into the personal lives of each and every one of us?"

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Some of the conservative critics of Congress' action say the issue goes to the core of what kind of party the GOP will become. They worry it will further erode the party's commitment to limiting the role of the federal government.

"Conservatives who have criticized the idea that Washington should run everything ought to be sheepish" about getting involved in the Schiavo case, said David Boaz, an analyst at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cato; davidboaz; schiavo; shays; terri; terrischiavo
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1 posted on 03/22/2005 3:19:56 PM PST by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Perhaps some in GOP need backbone.


2 posted on 03/22/2005 3:20:59 PM PST by housewife101
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To: Crackingham
Does anybody take the media party seriously anymore?

I still want to know who gave those fake documents to Chriss Wallace and who let him put them on the air.

This whole thing is contrived by the Dums and the media party.

Trying to save a person life is never a bad thing, no matter who tells you otherwise.
3 posted on 03/22/2005 3:23:06 PM PST by Tarpon (Hate is not a plan for America)
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To: Crackingham

I'm sure the LA Times just printed this in the hopes of helping the GOP win more voters.


4 posted on 03/22/2005 3:24:15 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Crackingham

Convenient how they don't mention that this was actually bipartisan.


5 posted on 03/22/2005 3:24:38 PM PST by Primetimedonna
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To: Crackingham
Just look at the source and realize how bogus the CRAPPOLA is!!

The only truth in this POS article maybe referring to Rinoies!

6 posted on 03/22/2005 3:24:56 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Crackingham
Well, this sounds fair.. The feds stay out of Terri's case, and the feds stay out of gay marriage, affirmative action, our schools, our cars, etc.

Oh, that's right, this whole limited government thing only is an issue when they're trying to kill a woman who can't defend herself. Just like all the others they want to murder, they go after the defenseless.
7 posted on 03/22/2005 3:25:36 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Tarpon
You are correct! The media is SO transparent; they're licking their wounds from losing their ALL-OUT assault on republicans in 2004. The attacks will escalate in volume and frequency as the '06 and '08 elections near.

Right now they are using subtle digs at us every chance they get - they are probably hatching a fake bombshell story right now, just waiting to use it to throw the next election. Do not trust the mainstream media - they have ONE objective - to sway elections and power over to their side.

8 posted on 03/22/2005 3:26:27 PM PST by mallardx
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To: housewife101
I rhink about Christopher Shays every time the RNC or a dozen other Republican offshoots call me for money, and guess what I tell them.

How bout I send my money to known Conservative Congress and Senator types, but not to RINOs.

9 posted on 03/22/2005 3:26:38 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Crackingham

The Lala Times. Home of Bob Scheer. Pravda West.


10 posted on 03/22/2005 3:27:56 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Crackingham

Culture of Death seeping into the GOP......Disgusting!


11 posted on 03/22/2005 3:32:32 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Crackingham

When you do the right thing, you don't worry about the polls.

When you don't know what the right thing is, you think they may give you a clue.


12 posted on 03/22/2005 3:33:41 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: Ann Archy
Culture of Death seeping into the GOP......Disgusting!

This is what happens when the Libertarians/some Democrats cannot get elected and become Republicans. Those of us who have been in the trenches are still the Party of Life. Anyone that runs for office around me that spouts any of this Libertarian nonsense and is Republican will NEVER get my support.

13 posted on 03/22/2005 3:36:36 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: MikeHu

That's why polls are so important to newspapers. They long ago sold off whatever integrity they had to tell the difference -- and why looking around at each other, all they see is hopeless corruption and disgust.


14 posted on 03/22/2005 3:40:00 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: Crackingham

The LA Slimes has a refind the journalistic art of publishing articles which appear to be NEWS, but are actually NEWS ANALYSIS. The problem with NEWS ANALYSIS is that it's very hard to tell the difference between it and EDUCATED GUESSING, WISHFUL THINKING or PLAIN OLD-FASHIONED SPIN. This kind of stuff really belongs on the opinion pages, or better yet, in the trash.


15 posted on 03/22/2005 3:40:11 PM PST by Califelephant (What's freedom worth?)
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To: Califelephant

Oops, that should read "The LA Slimes has refined..."


16 posted on 03/22/2005 3:41:34 PM PST by Califelephant (What's freedom worth?)
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To: Crackingham
I'd rather belong to a Minority Party that believes in Life than a Majority Party that believes in Nothing!

Pray for W and Terri

17 posted on 03/22/2005 3:41:34 PM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: Crackingham

Well...It's certainly not going to win any.


18 posted on 03/22/2005 3:42:23 PM PST by I Gig Gar (Hey DUhhh. BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!)
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To: Crackingham

"Some in GOP Fear Effort May Alienate Voters"

WTF, who are they, liberal demoncRATs?


19 posted on 03/22/2005 3:43:04 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Crackingham
Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.),

That's right, quote a weak-kneed, quivering RINO... They are always in fear that anything they do might alienate some voters.

20 posted on 03/22/2005 3:44:11 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Crackingham
For all it may "alienate," perhaps this issue will pick up a few for the GOP too.

I just heard that most members of the Congressional Black Caucus voted FOR Terri's bill ("the Palm Sunday compromise").

And I just saw JESSE JACKSON on the MSNBC Dan Abrams's show say he thinks Terri's feeding tube should be reinserted.

Jackson added that Terri was "not brain dead, but brain impaired," and that it was wrong to starve a person to death.

21 posted on 03/22/2005 3:44:12 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Crackingham

I think that if the perception is to override the young lady's wishes, then that would turn voters off.

If the perception is to get a new look at the case, given a lot of dubious facts and innuendo, that's not a problem.

Freepers seeking to make Terri's plight a surrogate for something else are being foolish.

The Feds pretty much did what they could - there isn't anything left for them to do as a practical matter. The Schindler's attorney's should have pressed for a true de novo fresh look at the facts of the case. They didn't - that legal strategy could have cost days, and that could cost Terri her life.

Pressing beyond that, from a practical standpoint, doesn't make any sense. We called our congressclowns, they did their part, but it crapped out.

Sad.


22 posted on 03/22/2005 3:48:03 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Crackingham
.....a poll by ABC News found that 70% of those surveyed believed congressional intervention was inappropriate.

Although the Mainstream Media has a harder time pulling off outright frauds nowadays, it is still in control of the Sheeple's minds by controling what the Sheeple will not hear as the Sheeple will do little to seek out information for themselves.

How much do the Sheeple really know about this case?

Consider the following ways to frame this issue in a poll:

"Should Congress interfere in the private legal decisions made by a husband and wife regarding their health care?"

"If your husband was living with another woman and having children with her, would you rather have your husband or your parents deciding end of life issues on your behalf?"

23 posted on 03/22/2005 3:51:10 PM PST by Polybius
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To: HitmanNY

I agree completely. This whole show has made me queasy with our elected leaders. I'm just not comfortable with pushing through legislation that could later be used to interfere with marital privacy or invalidate living wills. If it's not done correctly, it could damage the pro-life arguement. This all should have been worked out earlier, before the need was so pressing to save Terri.

It is sad.


24 posted on 03/22/2005 3:52:23 PM PST by pa mom
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To: Crackingham
Some in GOP Fear Effort May Alienate Voters

If the Schiavo bill alienates some voters, then so be it.

It's time to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I'd rather have people in the GOP who believe in life and are willing to act according to principles and for what is right.

25 posted on 03/22/2005 3:58:13 PM PST by Florida native
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To: Crackingham
The extraordinary steps taken by congressional Republicans to save the life of Terri Schiavo have won plaudits...but some Republicans worry about a potential backlash among others who view the intervention as an overbearing use of government power.

Dear GOP, stop worrying about the ABC poll and just get the facts out. They're simple:

1) there is nothing but hearsay evidence from an estranged husband who remembered seven years after his wife's medical emergency that she once told him she didn't want to "live like this". There is nothing from Terri on this issue;

2) Terri is a disabled woman who responds to her environment, feels pain, and does not need "extraordinary measures" to stay alive --- just food and water;

3) Terri has a family willing and able to assume responsibility for her continued care and recovery; and ready to grant her estranged spouse the freedom from "the situation" that he seeks;

The GOP should grow a spine and stand tall and proud of its choice to fight for life over court-ordered murder.

26 posted on 03/22/2005 3:59:58 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
"Some in GOP Fear Effort May Alienate Voters"
WTF, who are they, liberal demoncRATs?


It may not alienate me but this does piss me off. Having been involved in a next of kin issue that resulted in both sides of the family going to court and many many months of legal proceedings. Time that should of been spent taking care of my father in law was spent instead talking to lawyers and judges who after 2 years agreed that his children were legally next of kin ...duh. The govt has no business involving themselves in a next of kin issue.

That said Michael Shaivio is a POS for trying to murder his wife, but the decisions regarding the care or lack of care is not for anybody else to decide except next of kin, in this case Michael Shaivio. If there is sufficient evidence that he committed a crime and is responsible for her condition let them come forth and have him charged

This is setting a very dangerous precident for families and those who disagree with them.
27 posted on 03/22/2005 4:01:06 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: MikeHu
"When you do the right thing, you don't worry about the polls.

When you don't know what the right thing is, you think they may give you a clue."

Hmmmmm ... I wonder why FR is such a magnet for polls?

28 posted on 03/22/2005 4:01:15 PM PST by G.Mason (I'm a prodigality technician for a major corporation and hunt lichens in my time off.)
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To: pa mom

Actually, I think our elected leaders did just fine. They made no effort to undermine Terri's wishes - if that was the goal, I don't think it would have passed (or gotten close, in fact).

Nothing in what congress did was substantive - it can't be used to interfere with marital privacy or invalidate living wills. If anything, the debate makes it clearer than ever that there is a value in having a living will.

All Congress did was arrange for a fresh look at the case by the Feds - that's legit under due process guarantees by the 14th Amendment.

Freepers need to cope with the fact that we did what was right, but it looks to me like the Schindler's lawyers dropped the ball by not pushing for a full new de novo review of the case, which might include new discovery and a new finding of facts. That's all I was hoping for.

Anyone looking to make a more extended policy point - invalidating living wills, for example - will find themselves in the minority in the USA. They should just call their legislators and let them know of their desire to make those types of instruments illegal, and then leave it up to the legislative process.

Terri's case is not an avenue to change policy. In fact, if it was very clear and credible that Terri didn't want to live like that, it wouldn't have got national attention, and anyone who had a problem with that would just be in a strong, angry, but ultimately impotent minority.

The Schindlers need a better lawyer. That's not something we can do a whole lot about.


29 posted on 03/22/2005 4:02:32 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Crackingham
Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), before voting against the bill Bush later signed, asked: "How deep is this Congress going to reach into the personal lives of each and every one of us?"

Deep enough to keep the state of Ct from abusing your inalienable rights dingdong.

30 posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Crackingham

But not the LA Times... The LA Times HOPES that it alienates GOP voters.


31 posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:11 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: boxerblues
Nice apples and oranges argument. This has nothing to do with family decisions, it has to do with keeping an innocent alive.

Pray for W and Terri

32 posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:23 PM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: HitmanNY

You handled that quite well.


33 posted on 03/22/2005 4:04:30 PM PST by G.Mason (I'm a prodigality technician for a major corporation and hunt lichens in my time off.)
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To: bray
Nice apples and oranges argument. This has nothing to do with family decisions, it has to do with keeping an innocent alive.

Like it or not any decisions regarding Terri lawfully belong to Michael Shaivio, he is by marriage her next of kin, until he divorces her or willing gives consent to someone else. It does not make it morally right to starve her.
34 posted on 03/22/2005 4:07:45 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: G.Mason

It's just the truth. I read another posters analysis of the Schindler's lawyers legal misstep and given that posters rep (I didn't read the papers) it does seem like the screw-up here isn't Dubya or the Congressional GOPers and Dems.

It's the Schindlers lawyers misstep that's the issue here. They had an opportunity to ask for a new review of the facts, including discovery of new facts. They didn't. That's a blunder that may cost Terri her life.

Freepers (or anyone) who can't cope with that are making a mistake.

PS - An a peripheral note, I traditionally don't like it when in situations like this, the whole country somehow gets on a first name basis with the parties. 'Terri,' 'Baby Jessica,' etc etc. Just a pet peeve!


35 posted on 03/22/2005 4:10:23 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: G.Mason

Should we take a poll to find out?


36 posted on 03/22/2005 4:20:19 PM PST by MikeHu
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"It's just the truth. I read another posters analysis of the Schindler's lawyers legal misstep ... "

No, I meant that as a compliment.

For the past year I am like a moth to the flame with this Schiavo posting.

Though I attempt to verify allegations, I am set upon for daring to say anything other than kill Michael, or hang Greer, or other such nonsense.

If you want facts on any of these posts, or dare to insinuate the proper channels have been looked into, you are condemmed as the devil incarnate.

You did very well.

37 posted on 03/22/2005 4:21:37 PM PST by G.Mason (I'm a prodigality technician for a major corporation and hunt lichens in my time off.)
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"Should we take a poll to find out?"

Sure add another.

Click to Freep a poll

38 posted on 03/22/2005 4:24:15 PM PST by G.Mason (I'm a prodigality technician for a major corporation and hunt lichens in my time off.)
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To: Crackingham
ABC News found that 70% of those surveyed believed congressional intervention was inappropriate

I agree. Although I wish she could be saved, I don't think that congress has the power to legislate on this issue.

39 posted on 03/22/2005 4:26:05 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: G.Mason

I took it as a compliment, friend. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

Passions run high on the issue for a variety of reasons. We did our part, consistent with the law. There's nothing left.

Keep on truckin!


40 posted on 03/22/2005 4:26:45 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Polybius
I believe the poll. Why not? I think it's evidence that a lot of folks don't know the details much of the case. Nothing more.

Congress came to no substantive position on the case - they were giving the case a new procedural avenue. Many Americans (and even some on FR!) can't follow that very straightforward point.

Also, I think people like to think that their spouses would have their best interests at heart, and are projecting that to the case (not knowing the details that raise some doubt as to Mr. S's character). It's difficult for a lot of people to cope with some disturbing possibilities - for example, a spouse is unfaithful or disloyal. Sometimes its easier believing the fiction than it is to broach the possibility of truth.

I raise this on the abortion issues: the incongruity of 1.4 million abortions a year, polling that suggests that most Americans are against abortion, and yet a quiet support of the status quo. One possibility that's difficult for people on both sides of the issue to cope with, which I raise, is that enough women who say that they think abortion is always wrong know that they are capable of getting into an inconvenient pregnancy. That's true of single, dating, & married women, Dems or Republicans, churchgoers or non-churchgoers.

It's hard for a lot of people to cope with the idea that their spouse could get pregnant by some other guy, or that their spouse might get another woman pregnant, for example. The appeal of 'getting rid of the problem' quietly and easily is in the back of their mind - otherwise they risk a severe disruption of their status quo. While they say one thing and have difficulty broaching this topic outwardly (for legit reasons), it remains in the back of their mind.

So it's easy to tell a pollster one thing, and also know that there is a change, for example, that they might get pregnant by some clown they meet at the gym while their fiancee is risking his life in Iraq. It's hard to talk about, but no less true.

Same thing here - it's easier to say 'its up to the spouse' and not look too closely, otherwise their perception of their status quo is threatened.
41 posted on 03/22/2005 4:28:03 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: ModelBreaker

Congress can do what it has the will to do.


42 posted on 03/22/2005 4:29:18 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: Crackingham

Here is the effect it will have. It's already starting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1368338/posts


43 posted on 03/22/2005 4:32:25 PM PST by planekT
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To: Polybius
How much do the Sheeple really know about this case?

All they need to know is that twenty one court cases and sixteen different judges all reached the same conclusion.

44 posted on 03/22/2005 4:32:35 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: Crackingham
a poll by ABC News found that 70% of those surveyed believed congressional intervention was inappropriate.

A misleading statistic at best. I think congressional intervention was inappropriate. What would have been appropriate would have been for the state courts to properly rule that Terri's wishes were not proven by clear and convincing evidence, and therefore there was no cause to starve her to death. That's the way this case should have gone.

I don't like that Congress had to intervene. But Congress had to intervene, because the Florida state courts did not do their job.

45 posted on 03/22/2005 4:35:22 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Tarpon

Well .. the dems had to find some way to make the repubs look bad .. after all .. just because the dems either stayed home or voted against LIFE - they couldn't allow the repubs to look good over supporting this disabled woman.

I believe that was the motive not only for the memo - but the memo provided them with talking points to try to make the repubs seem calloused and calculating - as if the dems never did anything for political reasons - which is totally absurd.

It was a nice try .. but I'm not buying it.


46 posted on 03/22/2005 4:39:53 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: madprof98

I think this is going to backfire on the dems very badly. For the first time .. I believe the repubs have done this for "the right reasons" and not for political point.

I think the public will respond to that the same way they have responded to the President when he does it. Geeeeee .. ya think they're finally getting the message ..??


47 posted on 03/22/2005 4:42:45 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Crackingham

This entire article is a tissue of lies.

What worries the LA Times is that supporting Terri's right to life may HELP the Republicans and hurt the Democrats. They are simply trying to muddy the water, confuse their readers, and throw the Republicans a false message.

For years the media have been trying to persuade everyone, especially Republicans, that right-to-life is bad politics. Nonsense. Peddling abortions is bad politics, and it shows at the polls.


48 posted on 03/22/2005 4:58:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Crackingham

Quite the opposite. Bring on the nculear option !


49 posted on 03/22/2005 4:59:40 PM PST by John Lenin (Got a will ?)
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To: Crackingham

Quite the opposite. Bring on the nuclear option !


50 posted on 03/22/2005 5:00:02 PM PST by John Lenin (Got a will ?)
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