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Distilled Spirits Council Urges Ban of Alcohol Vapor Devices ("alcohol without liquid" - AWOL)
Yahoo News ^ | 3/21/05

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:02:10 PM PST by Libloather

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1 posted on 03/22/2005 6:02:13 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Are the barstools upside down? Pretty funky looking picture there, if you get my drift.


2 posted on 03/22/2005 6:04:38 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Libloather
Me and some friends tried this.

Its a myth, and a hoax, but one that will make some good money.

Idiotic legislators could try to go after these guys for fraud and such, instead, they will give them attention, credibility, and help them make money, probably underground though.

3 posted on 03/22/2005 6:05:51 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Libloather
I am glad the government is protecting me from myself. I never could trust me. You wouldn't believe all the things I did to myself behind my own back.

I will be glad when politicians get "Nerf World" built. Where I can't hurt myself even if I want to.

4 posted on 03/22/2005 6:06:21 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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To: Libloather

Translation: They want to ban competition.


5 posted on 03/22/2005 6:06:42 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Libloather

I'm wondering why the Distilled Spirits Council would have a dog in this fight... NOT!


6 posted on 03/22/2005 6:07:28 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Libloather

Looks like a gay bar


7 posted on 03/22/2005 6:07:34 PM PST by sierrahome (What's the Cuban national anthem? "Row, Row, Row Your Boat")
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To: Sonny M

What happened? Did you and your friends still get a hangover?


8 posted on 03/22/2005 6:08:17 PM PST by cantweall
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To: Libloather

If this is true, which I doubt, then the imbibers had better be damm careful with their cigarettes, sparks, and open fires.

Their lungs could very well demonstrate how a piston works.

Pure oxygen mixed with vaporized alcohol, sounds like rocket fuel.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 6:09:22 PM PST by 76834
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To: Libloather

Hey honey good news, I quit drinking, bad news, I'm plastered.


10 posted on 03/22/2005 6:09:36 PM PST by BallyBill (I'm a God fearing man and with many I stand....)
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To: Cboldt

ROFL


11 posted on 03/22/2005 6:11:03 PM PST by Constitution Day ("Please do not emanate into the penumbra.")
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To: Xenalyte
"alcohol without liquid"

Band name ping.

12 posted on 03/22/2005 6:11:17 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Lawgvr1955
I will be glad when politicians get "Nerf World" built. Where I can't hurt myself even if I want to.

Let's leave it up to the courts. They seem to know best in all matters now. That should keep them there lawyers busy a while. :)

13 posted on 03/22/2005 6:12:02 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: Libloather

These devices certainly remove any argument about why people drink alcohol; it's clearly not about socializing or having a matching drink with your food -- it's all about getting drunk as fast and as thoroughly as possible.


14 posted on 03/22/2005 6:12:34 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Libloather

I did hear of one alcoholic little old lady who got her high from wine enemas. One thing for sure you couldn't smell alcohol on her breath.


15 posted on 03/22/2005 6:13:56 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: 76834

You are right about the flammability.

Can't be accurate. Pure O2???


16 posted on 03/22/2005 6:14:13 PM PST by msf92497 (nothing yet.)
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To: Sonny M
I don't believe it's a hoax. Intoxication, or a high, from alcohol absorbed through the lungs would be much faster and would be less toxic to the body.

The reason the Distilled Spirits Council Urges Ban of alcohol Vapor Devices is because it would cut into liquor sales...
17 posted on 03/22/2005 6:14:14 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: BallyBill
Hey honey good news, I quit drinking, bad news, I'm plastered.

That is, my lungs are plastered all over the walls after the ethyl alcohol - oxygen mixture was ignited by my teeth sparking.

Yessum, that's me all over.

19 posted on 03/22/2005 6:14:42 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Senator Pardek

Been awhile since I took chemistry but if I recall correctly, ethanol is a liquid at room temperature. It can be vaporized but still a liquid, tiny misty droplets.

Similiar to what happens to gasoline when it goes thru a carbuerator.

Am sure some friendly FReeper will correct me if I am wrong.


20 posted on 03/22/2005 6:17:37 PM PST by 76834
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To: Libloather

Looks like a nightclub for asthmatics.

21 posted on 03/22/2005 6:18:48 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Starvation. It's a good thing. </sarcasm>)
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To: msf92497
Can't be accurate. Pure O2???

Actually welding oxygen is held to a higher standard than medical oxygen and is very very close to being pure 02

What is marketed as pure ethanol, "Everclear", is really only 95% pure, alcohol has an affinity for water.
The 100% stuff is called "absolute alcohol"
22 posted on 03/22/2005 6:21:43 PM PST by 76834
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To: Ole Okie

I remember 30 years ago I used to fly RC helicopters. I drove one between Harrisburg and Philadelphia with my RC helicopter in the back of the station wagon. The fuel tank had leaked (nitro and alcohol) and when I got home and stepped out of the car I couldn't stand up I was so intoxicated...


23 posted on 03/22/2005 6:24:20 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Rodney King
Translation: They want to ban competition.

Bingo!

I was at best only vaguely aware of AWOL prior to reading this post, and I couldn't discern any logical reason for a ban on it. So I did some quick googling, and immediately discovered that the manufacturers of liquid alchohol, such as the National Beer Wholesalers Association and Diageo, the world's leading beer, wine and spirits company (owner of brands like Johnny Walker, Smirnoff, Guinness, etc.), hate AWOL. They are trying to stomp out an up-and-coming competitor before it can get established and cuts into their business.

The hypocrisy of liquid alchohol companies complaining about inhaled alchohol on the basis that they want to safeguard the public from alchohol abuse and drunk driving is just staggering [pun intended].

I not an alchohol consumer myself, but I see no problem with other people inhaling it instead of swallowing it. In both cases they just need to avoid driving afterwards until the alchohol level in their bloodstream has declined to a safe threshold.

24 posted on 03/22/2005 6:25:53 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: FreedomCalls
it's all about getting drunk as fast and as thoroughly as possible.

From that thread a few weeks ago, the fastest way to get drunk:


25 posted on 03/22/2005 6:27:24 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: 76834

Yeah, we have some absolute alcohol (100%)in the lab I work in. Nondenatured, to boot. It's funny when you read the label. Just like any chemical, it has warnings if you ingest it. Target organs : liver, etc. Also says "may effect behavior."


26 posted on 03/22/2005 6:27:39 PM PST by mysterio
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To: e_engineer

LOL
Close but no cigar, swap the Jack Black with Everclear and you have the ultimate drunk.

In all likelyhood the LAST drunk.

At least you wont blow up the danged neighborhood doing it this way :)))


27 posted on 03/22/2005 6:29:20 PM PST by 76834
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To: 76834

Sorry, I couldn't remember the "beverage" name, so I picked one at random.


28 posted on 03/22/2005 6:32:48 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: Senator Pardek

Good band name, dreadful concept! ;)

BTW, now that my PC is back up and running, I'm gonna bop on over to that thread and get my list back.


29 posted on 03/22/2005 6:33:51 PM PST by Xenalyte (Subtle innuendoes follow . . . must be something inside.)
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To: e_engineer
Sorry, I couldn't remember the "beverage" name, so I picked one at random.

ROFLMAO
Used in the way you suggest it could hardly be called a "beverage"
I like to drink Jack Black on occasion but prefer mine in a glass with ice.
Great slow sippin whiskey ....
30 posted on 03/22/2005 6:35:53 PM PST by 76834
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To: Libloather

When AWOL devices are outlawed .... well I suspect that another use will be found for the pulmonary equipment used by those who have asthma.


31 posted on 03/22/2005 6:42:27 PM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: e_engineer

I imagine that would burn a bit. The alcohol would dry out the mucus membranes. I don't know much about the nerve fibers in the anus or colon...don't know if pain would be perceived. Any Proctologists viewing the thread?


32 posted on 03/22/2005 6:43:02 PM PST by msf92497 (nothing yet.)
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To: Rodney King

Not really, the machine still uses alcoholic beverages....you just inhale instead....great for those who want to get drunk but not consume calories.


33 posted on 03/22/2005 6:44:45 PM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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To: 76834

Oh wow, yes. Take a puff on your cig, KABOOM!


34 posted on 03/22/2005 6:45:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: msf92497

I am not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


35 posted on 03/22/2005 6:46:54 PM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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To: msf92497
I imagine that would burn a bit. The alcohol would dry out the mucus membranes

Thats why alcohol, when used medically, is bubbled thru water.
Maybe this this is how this insanity is done, just bubble it thru alcohol instead of water.
Just a theory, probly worth nothing...
36 posted on 03/22/2005 6:47:18 PM PST by 76834
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To: feinswinesuksass

If the alcohol goes into the body by any means it gets metabolized.


37 posted on 03/22/2005 6:48:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: 76834
What is marketed as pure ethanol, "Everclear", is really only 95% pure, alcohol has an affinity for water. The 100% stuff is called "absolute alcohol"

The water/alcohol mixture has a depressed boiling point that results in the 95% limit. To get to 100% you add benzene to the alcohol. That takes the last 5% of the water away, but makes the end product toxic for human consumption.

38 posted on 03/22/2005 6:48:58 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: 76834

oxygen is bubbled through water.


39 posted on 03/22/2005 6:49:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Similar to an asthma inhaler, the AWOL machines consist of an oxygen generator attached by tubes to a hand-held vaporizer. The user can choose any hard liquor, which is poured into the vaporizer. The oxygen from the generator then passes through a tube and absorbs the alcohol. A mist forms from the two ingredients that the user inhales.

AWOL is a hangover-free way to consume alcohol because of the oxygen in the vapor, which is proven to reduce the feeling of a hangover, according to the product's website. The website also emphasizes that AWOL is safe because both of its components - oxygen and moderate consumption of alcohol - are safe.

The site also markets the product as low-calorie and low-carbohydrate alternative to regular liquor because the inhaled alcohol doesn't go through the stomach.

Inhaled alcohol enters the bloodstream through the lungs instead, and the result is a less-filtered, low-calorie buzz. Regardless, the body expels alcohol the same whether it is inhaled or sipped and can be detected using the same methods so AWOL cannot be used to get around alcohol laws.


40 posted on 03/22/2005 6:50:03 PM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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To: Myrddin

Wouldn't concentrated sulphuric acid also absorb the remaining water, without mixing with the alcohol?


41 posted on 03/22/2005 6:50:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mysterio
Yep.
A shot of denatured 99.5% ethanol has a kick.
42 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:04 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: 76834

sure does...probably take out the whole bar when it goes too.


43 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:29 PM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Could one freeze out the water? Probably wouldn't be cost-effective.


44 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:34 PM PST by msf92497 (nothing yet.)
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To: cantweall
What happened? Did you and your friends still get a hangover?

Nope, I quit after a while, maybe 10 or 15 minuits, a couple of guys were stubborn and one stuck on till like 45 minuits.

Pretty much to absolutley no effect, no buzz, nada, so we drank the old fashioned way.

45 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:46 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Myrddin

Thanks for the info.
Like I said previous, it's been awhile since I took chemistry.
Always thought it was made by progressive distallation.


46 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:49 PM PST by 76834
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To: feinswinesuksass
AWOL is a hangover-free way to consume alcohol because of the oxygen in the vapor, which is proven to reduce the feeling of a hangover, according to the product's website.

Though I've never been drunk in my life, I'd expect just plain Everclear to be as "good." Part of the reason for hangovers is toxic congenerics (other alcohols and aldehydes) that are formed by fermentation, in the beverage. It's the purity that does the trick, not the means of ingestion. As for pure oxygen, how much can there be in those little spritzers?

47 posted on 03/22/2005 6:54:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They now sell individual user machines for $299!!!
Much cheaper than the group machine for bars.
I prefer to drink my martinis, but would try out the AWOL.



The user chooses which alcoholic spirit will be used and the alcoholic spirit is loaded into a diffuser capsule in the machine. The oxygen bubbles are then passed through the capsule, absorbing the alcohol, before being inhaled through a tube. The resultant cloudy alcohol vapor is then inhaled from the end of the tube via a device that converts liquid to vapor.


48 posted on 03/22/2005 6:54:18 PM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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To: babygene
Intoxication, or a high, from alcohol absorbed through the lungs would be much faster and would be less toxic to the body.

I quit after about 10 or 15 minuits, but one of my friends tried for like 45 minuits.

You'd absorb more doing straight shots.

50 posted on 03/22/2005 6:54:54 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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