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Distilled Spirits Council Urges Ban of Alcohol Vapor Devices ("alcohol without liquid" - AWOL)
Yahoo News ^ | 3/21/05

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:02:10 PM PST by Libloather

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To: msf92497; 76834
I imagine that would burn a bit.

Yes, but if you take you Jack Daniels with ice like 76834 was suggesting.....

Seriously, I hope nobody sees my post and decides to try it.

51 posted on 03/22/2005 6:54:58 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: e_engineer
Or you could guzzle an entire pint of JD through a beer bong.

Watch the video. WARNING: Site linked may not be safe for work.

52 posted on 03/22/2005 6:55:49 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: e_engineer

You needed product liability a disclaimer.

"Don't try this at home"

Kinda like "Do not use lawn mower to trim bushes"


53 posted on 03/22/2005 6:56:48 PM PST by msf92497 (nothing yet.)
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To: feinswinesuksass
great for those who want to get drunk but not consume calories.

Not really, just a waste of time.

54 posted on 03/22/2005 6:56:51 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Myrddin
The ethanol/water azeotrope boils off at 78.15 degrees C.

Little details from taking 2 years of organic chemistry in a 10 week summer cram course.

55 posted on 03/22/2005 6:57:04 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: The Great RJ
Several weeks ago a man died from receiving a wine enema, I don't know how much but I believe several bottles.
56 posted on 03/22/2005 6:59:42 PM PST by KingofQue
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To: writer33
That should keep them there lawyers busy a while. :)

You say that like its a bad thing!!

My favorite quote from Lionel Hutz, the attorney on the Simpsons, "Can you imagine that, a world without lawyers? (Shudders)". Come to think of it, I shudder when I try to imagine that nightmare!!

57 posted on 03/22/2005 6:59:50 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Or you could guzzle an entire pint of JD through a beer bong.

How could anyone survive that much alcohol?

58 posted on 03/22/2005 7:00:09 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wouldn't concentrated sulphuric acid also absorb the remaining water, without mixing with the alcohol?

Benzene just strips the water without changing the nature of the ethanol. Recall that mixing an acid and an alcohol generally produces an ester. Methyl sulphate would be the expected product in this instance.

59 posted on 03/22/2005 7:01:01 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: 76834
Always thought it was made by progressive distallation.

Even the best fractionating column can't beat the azeotropic limit at 95%.

60 posted on 03/22/2005 7:02:35 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Lawgvr1955
Come to think of it, I shudder when I try to imagine that nightmare!!

I remember having this feeling of euphoria knowing that there were no more lawyers. I went about the day skipping with joy and exhuberance. Suddenly, I woke up and realized it was only a dream.

:) HA!

61 posted on 03/22/2005 7:04:28 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: e_engineer
How could anyone survive that much alcohol?

Most cases you wont, that's why when you have over imbibed they call you "intoxicated"
Alcohol is a toxin (poison)
The body can process it if consumed moderately over a period of time but if you take it faster than the body can handle you will either pass out, or be on a one way trip to the grave yard.
62 posted on 03/22/2005 7:05:37 PM PST by 76834
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To: The Great RJ
Several weeks ago a man died from receiving a wine enema, I don't know how much but I believe several bottles.
63 posted on 03/22/2005 7:05:54 PM PST by KingofQue
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To: Libloather

I believe that Ted Kennedy and the Kennedy family did pioneering work on this method of alcohol ingestion. When the story of Michael Kennedy and his "affair" with the underage babysitter was big, it was revealed that on a Kennedy family camping trip (it may have been a whitewater rafting and camping trip) the babysitter came along to take care of the kiddos, and the "adults" had set up a "Vodka Steam Tent" at one of their encampments.


64 posted on 03/22/2005 7:06:39 PM PST by BansheeBill
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To: Myrddin

I bow to your books; I've never tried it to see if they will react.

But you say "methyl" sulphate? What happened to the ethyl moiety? Where did that carbon go?


65 posted on 03/22/2005 7:08:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Sonny M
That reminds me of the time in my younger years when I visited Ole Miss. Drank a ton of beer felt fine and the girls were beautiful. The next morning the girls were still beautiful and no hangover. Found out they served 3/2 beer and girls were just made that way.
66 posted on 03/22/2005 7:14:51 PM PST by TBall
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To: HiTech RedNeck
But you say "methyl" sulphate? What happened to the ethyl moiety? Where did that carbon go?

Oops. Dropped a carbon atom on the floor. It's ethyl sulphate. It turns out that the human body will actually sulphonate ethanol as a means of more rapid excretion via the kidneys. Excretion of ethyl sulphate occurs for hours after the blood levels of ethanol have dropped below detectable limits. It is a sensitive means of detecting whether someone has consumed any ethanol.

I lay blame for loss of the carbon atom on the circulating consequences of a fine bottle of Killian's Red.

67 posted on 03/22/2005 7:16:04 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Better be glad the carbon didn't go AWOL in the Killian's or you'd be blind.


68 posted on 03/22/2005 7:22:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Myrddin

(pun on AWOL)


69 posted on 03/22/2005 7:23:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If the alcohol goes into the body by any means it gets metabolized."

It would take extremely large quantities of alcohol via inhalation to have any effect. Years ago we would use ETOH in an aerosolized form in patients with congestive heart failure to help reduce surface tension of fluids in the lungs. I can never remember a patient getting intoxicated inhaling aerosolize ETOH. Keep in mind, 80% of the aerosol is eliminated on exhalation.


70 posted on 03/22/2005 8:10:15 PM PST by politicalwit (Republican and Democrats are across the aisle but sleep in the same bed.)
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To: 76834; All

Can't be accurate. Pure O2???

Actually welding oxygen is held to a higher standard than medical oxygen and is very very close to being pure 02

What is marketed as pure ethanol, "Everclear", is really only 95% pure, alcohol has an affinity for water.
The 100% stuff is called "absolute alcohol"



IIRC, my HS biology teacher told us pure alcohol was pure poison.

Isn't ether the gaseous form of alcohol?


71 posted on 03/22/2005 8:50:31 PM PST by sully777 (It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
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To: 76834

Perhaps getting 'blasted' is the point!


72 posted on 03/22/2005 9:48:07 PM PST by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Lawgvr1955

You too? I nearly got myself killed a few times. In fact, I often took money right from my own wallet.

I'm pretty sure that they need to pass more laws to protect us from ourselves so that we don't hurt anyone and nothing bad ever happens. Because after all, laws prevent bad things from happening. It says the federal government can prevent bad things from happening in the Constitution. I think it was Jefferson who said, "If it's not a law, it should be."


73 posted on 03/22/2005 9:55:54 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: The Great RJ
I did hear of one alcoholic little old lady who got her high from wine enemas. One thing for sure you couldn't smell alcohol on her breath.

But I bet nobody wanted to sit behind her in church.

74 posted on 03/22/2005 10:01:17 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: LibertarianInExile
I'm pretty sure that they need to pass more laws to protect us from ourselves so that we don't hurt anyone and nothing bad ever happens. Because after all, laws prevent bad things from happening. It says the federal government can prevent bad things from happening in the Constitution. I think it was Jefferson who said, "If it's not a law, it should be."

LOL!

75 posted on 03/22/2005 10:20:35 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: All

Can you, like, put it in a scuba tank?


76 posted on 03/22/2005 10:30:31 PM PST by jimboster
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To: LibertarianInExile
I think it was Jefferson who said, "If it's not a law, it should be."

Glad I wasn't drinking something when I read that. You would owe me a monitor washing!

77 posted on 03/23/2005 12:49:51 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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To: Lawgvr1955; Lazmataz
!#@$!@%$#@%!

Here I had hopes of finally joining that elite Freeper group of nostril spew-inducers, and you go and tell me that you weren't drinking and pee on my dreams of joining the club that Lazmataz built?!?!? Come on, man, go get a beer and reread!

78 posted on 03/23/2005 1:34:48 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: Myrddin
The water/alcohol mixture has a depressed boiling point that results in the 95% limit. To get to 100% you add benzene to the alcohol. That takes the last 5% of the water away, but makes the end product toxic for human consumption.

A molecular sieve is what most places use now. Cyclohexane is to nasty to use. Very flammable. I used to work at a plant that made ethanol, and we had a few contractors that would sneak the stuff straight out of the sieves. Gave them one heck of a hangover.

79 posted on 03/23/2005 5:13:24 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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80 posted on 03/23/2005 7:49:55 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: redgolum
A molecular sieve is what most places use now. Cyclohexane is to nasty to use. Very flammable. I used to work at a plant that made ethanol, and we had a few contractors that would sneak the stuff straight out of the sieves. Gave them one heck of a hangover.

My lab skills are a bit dated. A molecular sieve wasn't common in labs in the mid-70's. The closest approximation was Sephadex gels used to separate salt solutions from larger proteins. The Sephadex gels cause a larger included volume to be experienced by smaller salt particles. Proteins zip on past the outside of the gels due to larger physical size. I usually finished the desalting process with reverse osmosis via semi-permeable membranes.

81 posted on 03/23/2005 9:00:08 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
This is on a large scale with zeolyte (sp?) beads with porous structures. Superheated vapor is passed through the bed of beads, and the water gets "stuck" in the pores. The water is then forced out by recircing some of the finished product back through the beds. It works ok, but makes for a control headache.
82 posted on 03/23/2005 9:05:31 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Sounds like a similar process to the average water softener albeit at higher temps. Thanks for the description.
83 posted on 03/23/2005 9:07:29 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

LOL! Actually that is a pretty good way to think of it. Only in a water softener, it is done by ion exchange and a mole sieve by size.


84 posted on 03/23/2005 9:22:28 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Libloather

What is their beef? That they won't sell as much alcohol? Pathetic.


85 posted on 03/23/2005 10:51:48 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Myrddin
"Methyl sulphate would be the expected product in this instance."
And where will you get the methyls? You must mean monoethylsulfate, and at higher temperatures ether and ethylene. Diethylsulfate is slightly more difficult to make.
86 posted on 03/23/2005 11:43:23 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
I did correct my "oops" a couple posts after the "methyl" gaffe.
87 posted on 03/23/2005 1:14:44 PM PST by Myrddin
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