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DCF Considers Removing Schiavo from Hospice by Force
Palm Beach Post ^ | 3.23.05 | Dara Kam

Posted on 03/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PST by gopwinsin04

State officials say they are considering removing Terri Schiavo from hospice, by force if necessary, despite numerous court orders upholding the removal of the artificial nutrition tube that has kept her alive for 15 years.

Lucy Hadl, secretary of the Department of Children and Families, said Wednesday morning that her staff is relying on a state law that gives the department the authority to intervene on behalf of a vulnerable adult who is 'suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury.'

Hadl said that the DCF would have to file a petition in order to remove Schiavo, but that 'it doesn't mean we'd have to have judicial approval in advance of taking the action if we believed it met the threshold for doing it.'

Hadl said that seven years of court rulings backing Schiavo's husband Michael, in his contention that Terri Schiavo did not wish to be kept alive artificially would not stop the DCF from taking action.

'We're not compelled to look at prior judicial proceedings,' Hadl said.

What we are compelled to look at is the presenting circumstances and any allegiations of abuse and neglect that we have recieved. So we have to deal with those and fufill out statutory responsibility.'

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
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Git 'er done.
1 posted on 03/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Do it, Lucy and do it NOW.


2 posted on 03/23/2005 2:36:32 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: gopwinsin04

Sadly, it's not going to happen.


3 posted on 03/23/2005 2:36:36 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: gopwinsin04
A judge (don't know who yet) has ordered LEO that she is not to be removed from the Hospice.

We have a constitutional crisis.

4 posted on 03/23/2005 2:37:01 PM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: gopwinsin04

I was hoping that the "consider removing" part would have been replaced by "have removed".


5 posted on 03/23/2005 2:37:23 PM PST by steveegg (Let the DemonRATs eat gridlock. Nuke 'em, Frist.)
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To: gopwinsin04
GO FOR IT!!!! RIGHT NOW!!!! DONT WAIT ANOTHER HOUR!!!!
EITHER mister Bush could use their EXECUTIVE ORDER powers to STABILIZE her with an I-V for the few days it takes this matter of the feeding tube, and for the motions to allow FEEDING BY MOUTH to run the gammet thru the supreme court.

6 posted on 03/23/2005 2:37:37 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: gopwinsin04

Talk is cheap. Put up or shut up. Wonder if there'd be an armed standoff between the state officials and the cops there to enforce Greer's order?


7 posted on 03/23/2005 2:37:45 PM PST by Al Simmons (4-time 'W' voter, 1994-2004.)
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To: CatOwner

Why don't you pray that it does, instead of naysaying.


8 posted on 03/23/2005 2:38:03 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (when she dies, America dies.)
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To: gopwinsin04
Criminal...

Gabriel Keys (foreground) is arrested by police officers for
trespassing in Pinellas Park, Florida, March 23, 2005. The
young protester attempted to take a glass of water into
the Woodside Hospice for the brain-damaged Terri Schiavo.
A federal judge approved the murder of Terri Schiavo by
rejecting a request from her parents to order her feeding
tube reinserted to save her life.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050323/ids_photos_ts/r4209066064.jpg


9 posted on 03/23/2005 2:38:09 PM PST by XR7
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To: gopwinsin04

Why hasn't the DCF been involved before now? I didn't think they were involved the last time the feeding tube was removed for six days, were they>


10 posted on 03/23/2005 2:38:25 PM PST by truthluva
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To: NautiNurse

What's that saying, "How many tanks does the judge have"?


11 posted on 03/23/2005 2:38:34 PM PST by disgruntledinCa (When You're Born Dumb, It's for a long time.)
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To: gopwinsin04

Just a question...

Would the Pinellas Park police guarding the hospice stand aside or would they physically try to prevent DCF from taking custody of Terri?

What's their responsibility in this? Are they guarding the hospice due to a court order?

Anyone?


12 posted on 03/23/2005 2:38:34 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: gopwinsin04

Does anyone know what the neurological effects could be from not having had water for so long?


13 posted on 03/23/2005 2:39:08 PM PST by pa mom
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To: gopwinsin04
Can you say Felony Contempt of Court?

So9

14 posted on 03/23/2005 2:39:41 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: NautiNurse

I'm done with judges orders, time to get the Florida National Guard and end this.


15 posted on 03/23/2005 2:39:51 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: Al Simmons

Probably not. If the Judge gave one order to the cops and the Governor gave a counter order, the cops would stand down.


16 posted on 03/23/2005 2:39:54 PM PST by Enterprise (President George W. Bush - the leading insurgent detergent.)
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To: gopwinsin04

>>>Git 'er done.

Damn straight.


17 posted on 03/23/2005 2:39:54 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Michael Schiavo = Scott Peterson - 1 boat.)
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To: NautiNurse

Yes we do. Some unknown judge is now the governor of Florida.


18 posted on 03/23/2005 2:40:12 PM PST by MisterRepublican (End Judicial Tyranny Now!)
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To: NautiNurse

Bush should have acted first and THEN held a press conference announcing he had the authority.

Bush is a wimp (he's not running for President, anyway) and the judges are tyrants.


19 posted on 03/23/2005 2:40:16 PM PST by CedarDave (Add keyword "TERRISCHIAVO" to every Terri thread to make future searching easier.)
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To: gopwinsin04

Seriously doubt this will work, but I don't oppose the effort if it can be done peacefully.


20 posted on 03/23/2005 2:40:18 PM PST by Williams
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To: FL_engineer
EVIL PROSPERS WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING....

where are the good people....

and when will they do something.....

if not for Terri, for the millions who will be killed by the state because this will set a precedent.....

21 posted on 03/23/2005 2:40:37 PM PST by cherry
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To: Keith in Iowa

Like your tag line. Can we add: . . . with a hole in it?


22 posted on 03/23/2005 2:40:49 PM PST by pa mom
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To: gopwinsin04

15 minutes from now would be okay by me. A couple hundred armed state troopers and some medical personnel. Sirens.


23 posted on 03/23/2005 2:41:12 PM PST by The Other Harry
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To: MisterRepublican
"Some unknown judge is now the governor of Florida."

Yep, and for that, Terri is going to die.

24 posted on 03/23/2005 2:41:35 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: gopwinsin04

GO GO GO GO GO DCF

To hell with these courts and their DEATH JUDGES. I hope the all ROT IN HELL


25 posted on 03/23/2005 2:41:44 PM PST by Herbie (Herb)
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To: gopwinsin04

Hey, if it worked for Elián, it may work for Terri...


26 posted on 03/23/2005 2:41:48 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: Enterprise

>>>Probably not. If the Judge gave one order to the cops and the Governor gave a counter order, the cops would stand down.

You think so? Some might, but others might not...

As an aside, I wonder who's picking up the tab for all that police protection at the hospice?


27 posted on 03/23/2005 2:41:52 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Michael Schiavo = Scott Peterson - 1 boat.)
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To: CatOwner
Sadly, it's not going to happen

I don't think so either. But I have to wonder why they've even issued such a statement.

Makes me think that:

a)They really mean it....least likely I think.

b)This is a show down, literally, of the judiciary and the executive branch. The statement is part of the grand bluff.

c)They don't mean a word of it and are just covering their bureaucratic butts.

I'd go with B. Everything done to date is bluff stuff. Issuing the congressional subpoena, hinting that Florida's DCF would get involved. I think last weekend's congressional action was NOT a bluff. But the other things were done to creat a bluff.

In the end I do not see armed guards going in and kidnaping Terri.

although I'd sure like ti.

28 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:04 PM PST by Fishtalk (Pop Culture and Political Pundit-http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Servant of the 9

What order exactly would they be in contempt of?


29 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:04 PM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: gopwinsin04

IF this happens, I pray it's in time for Terri.

I have a disturbingly persistent feeling that Terri would die on Good Friday. I hope that's just a result of upset over this entire thing.


30 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:13 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: The Other Harry
what are they waiting for....for Terri to die and it to be a moot point?

do we have any Christians out there?

31 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:22 PM PST by cherry
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To: NautiNurse

Bring it on.


32 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:33 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Keith in Iowa

33 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:48 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: CedarDave
I don't believe Jeb is a wimp.

We may, however, witness a showdown in the Hospice parking lot between local cops and the state cops.

34 posted on 03/23/2005 2:42:51 PM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: truthluva

I may have misunderstood, but from what I have heard on Sean Hannity's radio show, I think DCF got a call from a Mayo Clinic doctor (a "renowned" neurologist), who has examined films, records of Terri and thinks she is in a state of "minimal consciousness", rather than a "persistent or permanent vegetative state".


35 posted on 03/23/2005 2:43:14 PM PST by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: NautiNurse

No crisis...this how the balance of powers should work

I am guessing the DFC is part of the Executive branch...so the Executive branch of the state government ignores the court ruling...the judicial branch may (or may not) request that the legislative branch intercede (the threat of impeachment of the governor would be the extreme intercession) and either the legislative branch follows or ignores the judicial branch

the balance of powers playing out...its a beautiful thing...I wish more legislatures and executives had the guts to say to the courts..."no...you're not the final word on every issue...we are co-equal, not subordinate branches"


36 posted on 03/23/2005 2:43:19 PM PST by Irontank
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To: NautiNurse

That'll be an interesting scene.


37 posted on 03/23/2005 2:43:39 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Fishtalk
"But I have to wonder why they've even issued such a statement."

To cover themselves, all the way to Jeb. It gives the impressions that they tried to stop the starvation (killing), but the courts (judges) stopped them.

38 posted on 03/23/2005 2:43:40 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: Enterprise
As the Pinellas Park PD are a municipal force, are they answerable to Governor Bush, as, say, the Florida State Police would be? If they are not, then Judge Greer's order cannot be countermanded by Governor Bush. He may then need state troopers or the National Guard to support social workers removing Terri Schiavo.
39 posted on 03/23/2005 2:44:06 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: anyone

This is slightly off topic, but what was the e-mail address to the white house? I know it's been posted recently, but I can't seem to figure out the search system here.
Thanks


40 posted on 03/23/2005 2:44:19 PM PST by justche (praying for Teri)
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To: unfortunately a bluestater

Following up, if she is in a state of "minimal consciousness" (rather than "PVS"), that makes a significant legal difference and, I think, that is why DCF decided it might intervene.


41 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:05 PM PST by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: NautiNurse
Who is LEO and by what method will the judge enforce his order. The police work for the executive branch not the judiciary.
42 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:05 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: disgruntledinCa

That's what Stalin said about the Pope, "How many divisions does the Pope have? Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.


43 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:14 PM PST by PaRebel (Visualize Whirled Peas!)
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To: mainepatsfan

Action is louder than words.


44 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:17 PM PST by Tamatoa (Surf)
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To: Irontank

Your last mini-paragraph says it well.

The three branches function together, not with one branch (the judiciary) lording over the others.


45 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:28 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: Servant of the 9

46 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:40 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: pa mom
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47 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:44 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: gopwinsin04
Do it Now!

48 posted on 03/23/2005 2:45:56 PM PST by scott7278 ("Please disperse...there is nothing to see here.")
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To: gopwinsin04

Sad to say the vote come down to what the LIBERAL polling numbers were! I'm afraid we have tried almost everything to no avail. I just pray Terri won't linger in painful death. No mercy was granted to her, and I pray to the Lord that this will backfire on ALL the rats who run for office in the future. REST IN PEACE SWEET TERRI for soon you'll be in the arm of the Lord, in heaven's peace. (sigh) :(


49 posted on 03/23/2005 2:46:09 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: gopwinsin04
New Florida slogan from the Governor:

"Welcome to Florida. If you were thinking of using
our courts or hospitals to kill your spouse or other
family member here, go find another state."
50 posted on 03/23/2005 2:46:38 PM PST by SaltyJoe (Do you "life" enough to earn your inalienable rights? Does your judge think that you're alive?)
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