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Who in the Balkans wants to destroy America?
serbianna ^ | March 23, 2005 | Miroljub Jevtic, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/23/2005 3:32:49 PM PST by jb6

The news that a group of mujahadeens headed for Osama bin Laden’s jihad were captured on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan would be nothing new, had the Pakistani authorities not announced that one of them was an Albanian citizen. Clearly, Clinton’s cooperation with Balkan Islamists in the 1990s is only now turning like a boomerang against the US. While the official affront is that Bosnian Muslims and Albanians are American allies in the war on terror, the US forces are tied up in Bosnia monitoring and chasing the jihadists who have made Bosnia and Albanian inhabited areas in the Balkans their domicile. Overtly then, Balkan Muslims are supporting the West, while covertly they may seek destruction of it.

The American strategists believed that by caving into territorial demands Balkan Muslims are making, the newly established Islamic entities will, because of the American influence and endorsement of it, be a model to the Islamic world, showing the right political path. The Christians of Bosnia, for example, are increasingly being centralized under Islamic authority; Christian Croats are spliced within Muslim federation and dominated by them while the Serbian entity is under tremendous political pressure and may disappear. Meanwhile, Bosnian Muslims want to offer Muslim Turks a dual citizenship because they consider these centuries old occupiers of Bosnia their liberators.

In Macedonia, likewise, the real masters of the situation are the Muslims Albanians who have placed the Christian Slavs there into virtual political ghettos.

Instead of showing themselves content with this, Balkan Muslims are not only setting out towards Islamizing their territories, but also towards actions aimed at America’s destruction.

Tradition has it that the most extreme Islamists among Slavic Muslims in the Balkans are from the Raska district, i.e. from Tutin, Novi Pazar and Rozaj so one is to expect extremist Imams to come from this region. Yet, the Islamic extremism and open attacks on the US that is spreading among the Balkan Muslims is preached by an Imam, who is not a native of Novi Pazar, nor of Sarajevo, but is an ethnic Albanian from village of Orahovac in Kosovo. This Imam, Bugari, is a hodja of the White mosque in Vratnik, known as the most Muslim part of Sarajevo.

Ironically, the fiercest fighter of jihad has not turned up from the middle of Bosnia with its numerous Islamic top ranking religious schools, but from Albanian dominated Kosovo, busy teaching the Bosnians in the midst of Sarajevo what real Islam is.

Says Bugari: “The speech of the sword is more sincere than that of the letter. Its blade lies between seriousness and jest. The whiteness of the sword, not the blackness of the letters, for its back knows no rust of doubt’.

Continues he: “The status of Muslims cannot be improved by papers. This doesn’t work. It is well known what can improve the status of Muslims worldwide. How was it improved at first? By taking Islam to all places. By convincing people that only God Allah exists.”

Bugari concludes with a call to violence: “By purifying the heart of all idols, and then, if necessary, by the jihad. And jihad was necessary and will be necessary! Don’t think that we can survive in any other way, except by these three things: faith, economics and responding to Allah when the time for jihad comes”.

“[T]aking Islam to all places”, including the US is the obligation of every Muslim, preaches Bugari.

This Albanian Muslim Imam is also an avid anti-Semite. Says Bugari: “Americans rule the world, and so do the Jews. With the Americans’ help, they have again outsmarted the entire world, especially the economy. We consume American-Jewish products every day. We drink their ‘Coca-Cola’ and their ‘Pepsi’, we use their banks, buy their weapons, their ‘Nikes’ and various other products. Imagine how many ‘cokes’ a billion and a half Muslims drink every day. According to some data, 700 million ‘Coca-Colas’ every day, and you know well that 10 percent of every ‘Coca-Cola’ goes to Israel”.

The Jew-hating Albanian Burguri attributes Islamic inability to legitimize their land conquests in the Balkans on the damnation Allah bestowed on Balkan Muslims because they relied on Americans. “We have indeed asked them for help during the war, and we have started to improve.” says Burguri. “The Serbs are running away as they can, and we say: Come, Americans, and lend us a hand. This is why Allah is now punishing us.”

Finally Burguri sides with Al-Qaeda by accusing America for holding 6 Algerian Bosnians in Guantanamo. “Now they will come and chase the Algerian group to Cuba, then they will chase Imad El-Mis’ri, then they will chase Fiusanin ..”

Among those who were placed under surveillance by the authorities and arrested in Bosnia because of their make-believe humanitarian work that was a cover-up for the terrorist logistic base, an ethnic Albanian was again identified. His name is Durguti. Once more we have someone coming from the town of Orahovac in Kosovo, where Bugari is also from. This may suggest that Orahovac Albanians in Kosovo may be the leading cadre of terrorist recruits, European by race, recruited by al-Qaeda in order to be trained and easily bland in the western societies to conduct terrorist killings.

Those who were to be allies of the US have thus shown their gratitude. Even to the author of this text, who has always been pointing out the dangers, all this seems odd. It would have been logical for the Albanian Muslims to show more patience until the creation of Greater Albania (thanks to the American tax payers’ money) before revealing their true face. But no, they seem unable to wait, for their ultimate objective is not just Greater Albania, but through it, they wish to destroy the US and Israel, and then all remaining non Islamic political systems in the world.

These two cases of Albanian involvement in Islamic terrorism indicate CIAs erroneous evaluation of the impact the Islamic presence has in the Balkans. The way Islamic Imams of the Balkans reason and thus teach their faithful flock is that Americans are worse then Serbs, that Americans have been used to defeat Serbs and take away their land but now, once used, time has come for America to pay the price for being Christian. This is how Imam Bugari’s thinks, and this is how his captured compatriot in Pakistan, logistics militant Duguti also thinks.

American analysts who might be reading this will behave like the entire administration, based on the presumption that Bugari is an exception to the rule and that the remaining Albanian and Bosnian Moslems are different. Indeed. Bugari was allegedly condemned by the leadership of the Islamic community of the Raska (Sanjak) district but the fact that they issued a simple verbal statement of condemnation and left him to preach hate is more of a sign of Community’s tacit support for extremism then any exceptionality.

According to the Statute of the Sanjak Islamic Community, this Community is an integral part of the Islamic Community of Bosnia and Hercegovina so Burguri is under the jurisdiction of the Bosnian reis-ul-ulem Mustafa Ceric, who recently visited UK. According to Bosnian reis-ul-ulem Mustafa Ceric Burguri “is distorting the Muslim message and Islam” and is using his office for “poisoning with untruths the young, who are rushing to hear him pronounce the above mentioned phrases”. This may indeed be empty rhetoric because the Chief Imam left Burguri to preach his message of hate and by leaving Burguri to preach, the highest Islamic authority in the Balkans is in effect endorsing Burguri’s terrorist preaching.

Musafa Ceric may not have been able to remove Burguri because the rest of the imams in the council might also think the same, but are not bold enough to shout it out loud as Burguri does. Even the reis-ul-ulem of Bosnia who received the “UNESCO award for peace” has declared himself an “Islamic fundamentalist”, just as Bugari. It is also Ceric who, with his authority, approves texts which appear in the official papers of the Islamic Community where exactly the same things are being written on jihad as the ones Bugari is saying. How can the US condemn someone now, after having awarded a Muslim for similar speech only a few months ago alleging his struggle for peace?

While the reis enjoys the prestige of a peacemaker, Bugari, on Ceric’s behalf, calls for jihad against those who are turning Ceric into a peacemaker.

The case of the Pakistani arrest, Burguri and Draguti illustrate the increasing Albanian involvement into the worldwide network of Islamic jihad. In fact, the German Secret Services BND found that an Albanian of Austrian citizenship, certain Samedin Dzezairi, is a an Al Quaeda contact person for the Balkans.

The fact that the man arrested in Pakisan is a native of Albania and not Kosovo is also an indicator of the degree of radicalization that a previously atheist Muslims of Albania are undergoing. When, after forty years of brutal communist and anti-religious policy, somebody manages to get involved with the Al Quaeda on his way to struggle for Islam, this shows more than anything else how strong Islam among Albanians in the Balkans.

Then we wonder why are Christian churches raised in Kosovo?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: albanian; alqaedabalkans; balkans; globaljihad; jihad; kosovo; serbia; serbpropaganda; trop; wot
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1 posted on 03/23/2005 3:32:51 PM PST by jb6
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To: jb6

Clinton bombed Beograd without UN consent, and nobody on the left or MSM made noise about it. Bush bombed Iraq after UN resolution clearly stated the consequence of Iraq not fully cooperating with the UN inspectors, and the left (and the UN) consider Bush as the menace.


2 posted on 03/23/2005 3:38:26 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: jb6; Askel5; Paul Ross; Jan Malina; DarkWaters; JohnOG; TapTheSource; Frank_Discussion

Q: Who in the Balkans wants to destroy America?

A: There are essentially two types of extremists in the Balkans who seek the destruction of the USA (and the West). The first group are the Islamists. The second group are the pan Slavists / relapsing Communists / National Bolsheviks (the boundaries between the three subgroups herein are quite vague and changeable). Although they currently fight each other, both groups are essentially anti Western. Thankfully, there is a third group there who are still relatively pro American and pro Western. May they increase and multiply.


3 posted on 03/23/2005 3:39:27 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: paudio

Yeah, I remember Putin used that point when the EU/UN was screaming at him about Chechnya and the WOT. Other nations due take notice of the hypocracy.


4 posted on 03/23/2005 3:39:54 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

Don't go to sleep thinking that we are done in this region.


5 posted on 03/23/2005 3:41:02 PM PST by SFC Chromey (Was deployed 26 of the last 48 months, and I'd do it again.)
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To: Cornpone

I think this is right up your street.


6 posted on 03/23/2005 3:43:27 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (PIRA, CIRA, RIRA - separate leadership, common membership)
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To: paudio
It is time for America to pull the struts out from under these rotten Muslim cesspools.
7 posted on 03/23/2005 4:01:30 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: jb6; Incorrigible
I think the only thing Clinton got half-right was the Kosovo campaign, right because Milosevic was a maniac and a menace, wrong because Bubba was afraid to send in ground forces, and instead sent in the UN - who as it turned out, could not be trusted to protect Kosovar Serb minority (ironic, isn't it!).

Bush did everything right that Bubba did wrong, he sent in ground forces, giving the UN only a marginal role in Iraq - the result - ALL Iraqis (except terrorists and Baathists) are being treated equally and fairly.

The Left moan about America being the World's police force, just because it is only one country out of 200, with unprecedented military force, while they say that's the UN's job, because it is international, but, and it is possible that one country with global military superiority, could under different circumstances be dangerous - the simple fact is that America is a democracy, constitutional republic, if you like - therefore accountable, therefore under scrutiny, unlike the UN: undemocratic, unaccountable and inscrutable!

8 posted on 03/23/2005 4:02:36 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (PIRA, CIRA, RIRA - separate leadership, common membership)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; Balkans; Destro; Wraith; Fusion; Jomini; A. Pole; MarMema; Honorary Serb; ...
Hey IT! Welcome to the Balkans Front threads!

The problem is compounded with the ICTY kangaroo court trying Slobo.

This one's for you Destro!

9 posted on 03/23/2005 4:15:46 PM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
I think the only thing Clinton got half-right was the Kosovo campaign, right because Milosevic was a maniac and a menace, wrong because Bubba was afraid to send in ground forces,

That was Governor Bush's position in the 2000 presidential campaign against Gore--Clinton had done the right thing in stopping Milosevic, but should have kept ground troops on the table.

10 posted on 03/23/2005 4:54:10 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: GOP_1900AD
There are essentially two types of extremists in the Balkans who seek the destruction of the USA (and the West). The first group are the Islamists. The second group are the pan Slavists / relapsing Communists / National Bolsheviks

And confirming your point, here's what Vojislav Seselj, the leader of the Serb Radical Party-about 1/3 of Serbia's voters--said the day after the 9-11 attacks on America:

Meanwhile, Serb ultranationalist Vojislav Seselj said in Belgrade that he did not regret yesterday’s massive terrorist attack on the USA and accused Washington of leading a “policy” of state terror.” “I can’t say I’m surprised, I’m not saying I’m glad that civilians died, but I can’t say that I regret terrorist attacks against the USA” the leader of the Serbian Radical Party told the Beta news agency.

11 posted on 03/23/2005 5:00:42 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Yep.


12 posted on 03/23/2005 7:07:06 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Clinton trumped up the war in the Balkans to appease the terrorists. He expected they would then stop attacking us and that Arrafat would take the fat deal we offered him called the Oslo Accord. After all, Clinton sent James Carville to Israel to help elect Barak just for that purpose. Clinton expected to get a Nobel Peace Prize for that. That was to be his legacy.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing by Milosevic was claimed in the media for weeks before Clinton acted. No mass graces nor other evidence of that has ever been found. This was Clinton's war, by Clinton and for Clinton, and we are now reaping the costs.
13 posted on 03/23/2005 7:41:09 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: GOP_1900AD
Interestingly enough, the very same same Seselj offered volunteers to American war effort during the first Gulf War. I believe USMC still have a footage of support rally held in front of the U.S. Embassy in Belgrade in 1990.

Seselj is shameless self promoter, cross between Jerry Falwell and Zhirinovsky. He will do anything to be under spotlight.

Right now in The Hague he is running circles around ICTY shysters by teaching them human rights standards.

14 posted on 03/23/2005 7:48:06 PM PST by DTA
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To: BrooklynGOP; Destro; A. Pole; MarMema; YoungCorps; OldCorps; chukcha; FairOpinion; eluminate; ...

bump


15 posted on 03/23/2005 8:25:58 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Berosus; blam; Do not dub me shapka broham; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA

"Clinton’s cooperation with Balkan Islamists in the 1990s is only now turning like a boomerang against the US."

Now wait a minute. It's one thing to say, without a scrap of evidence or logic, that Reagan and Bush created the Taliban, but it's quite another to criticize the Golden Child. He was too busy obstructing justice and dealing missile and nuke secrets to the Chinese to have had anything to do with fomenting terror.


16 posted on 03/23/2005 11:12:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, March 13, 2005.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
No mass graces nor other evidence of that has ever been found.

Plenty of Kosovar Albanian graves have been found, to include hundreds on Serb Police training grounds near Belgrade where they were re-interred after Milosevic ordered the bodies removed from Kosovo to hide Serb crimes. Milosevic has even admitted the 100+ dead from the Izbice massacre at his trial--he's just trying to make the case that it wasn't his fault--his latest defense is that the Serb chain of command was disrupted by NATO bombing so he couldn't control his forces.

This is on Kosovo killed and missing.

As to your idea that the Kosovar situation began just a "few weeks" prior to the bombing, President Bush I in 1992 issued what became known as the "Christmas Warning" to Milosevic saying the US would use military force to stop Serb attacks against the civilian populace in Kosovo. The North Atlantic Council (Political heads of NATO)in May 1998 established its goals to stop Serb aggression in Kosovo. In October 98 the NAC authorized bombing of Serbia in order to coerce Milosevic into letting the 250,000 Kosovar Albs living in the hills to return to their homes before winter set in. The bombing was re-authorized in Jan 99 in response to further Serb atrocities and then finally carried out in March 99. The Kosovar situation and use of force to stop Milosevic wasn't something that happened in just a few weeks time.

17 posted on 03/24/2005 4:17:20 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Thanks for the education. I knew it didn't happen in weeks but I was not up to date on the specifics. I had also read that no mass graves, as advertised, were found. Thanks again.
18 posted on 03/24/2005 8:46:00 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: mark502inf
>>>>>Kosovar <<<<<

Mark, can you enlighten us what this word mean?

Let me guess, you can not use correct English term "Kosovoan" or "Kosovan" because you would crack propaganda theme.

As long as you use term "kosovar" your arguments lack any credibility. It is propaganda drivel.

19 posted on 03/24/2005 9:41:46 AM PST by DTA
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To: DTA

"Kosovar" is an accepted way of describing those living in Kosovo. In the USA it is written that way in books, news articles, and official correspondence & documents. The Brits often use Kosovoan or Kosovan, but they also have a royal family, drink their beer too warm, and pay way too much attention to soccer; so I don't feel compelled to follow them--and besides, we cut that tie in 1776. Now as far as I'm concerned there's no hidden meaning to "Kosovar" and no point I'm trying to make. However, since it bothers you, I will do my best to refrain from using it when responding to your posts.


20 posted on 03/24/2005 11:33:39 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
>>>>In the USA it is written that way in books, news articles, and official correspondence & documents.<<<<

Kosovar means nothing in English. In Albanian language means "Kosovoan/Kosovan". Last time I checked Albanian language was not an official language in U.S.A. and there is no reason why albanian word should be used in official U.S. documents when English word exist. Americans do not call Albania Shqipnia (Albania in Albania, there is no valid reason why Albanian word "kosovar" is used enstead of English. You do not say "Kosovac" and "Kosovski Albanians" in English text.

The logic behind pushing 'kosovar' is creation of fake impression that Kosovo is country inhabited by "kosovar" people.

"Kosovar" is used to describe ALL inhabitants of Kosovo but ONLY Albanians call themselves this way. It as if all inhabitants of California were called Mexicans. When American media or Administration says "kosovars" it is CONDONING of RACISM and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and direct support to terrorist aims. (it means "kosova for kosovars" ie. "Kosovo for Albanians")

It would be interesting to track down when this 'kosovar' ploy entered into U.S. usage. I guess it has to do something with Bob Dole's and Dioguardi's shilling for Albanian heroin cartel and their sham resolution for 'free kosova' back in the 1980s when Albanian communists were in power in Kosovo and harrased Serbs.

21 posted on 03/24/2005 12:21:55 PM PST by DTA
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Wraith
The "killed and missing" covers at least a three year time frame - much of it after NATO's war when the KLA was going on a killing spree. The official missing list covers January 1998 - December 2000. So you see, they were still counting people who were kidnapped and killed 1 1/2 years after that war was over.

Futher, many of the ethnic Albanians were killed by the KLA who murdered those who differed politically (loyal to Yugoslavia or not Serb haters, for example) and rivals. There were also many Roma (Gypsies) killed by Albanians yet put on lists by Albanians as Albanians killed by Serbs. The Roma of Kosovo often had Albanian names.

Wraith was a British soldier in Pristina after the war and says the KLA had a policy of liquidating witnesses.

Several of the KLA leadership, have been in the last year or so, accused (and some convicted) of kidnapping and killing fellow Albanians - including the recent Prime Minister of Kosovo Ramush Haradinaj. He just went to the Hague where he is accused of killing both Albanians and Serbs before, during and after the war.

Also, the ethnic violence was begun by the KLA who started to kill Serb police. Before the KLA, ethnic murders perpetrated by Serbs on Albanians were next to nothing, if not nothing at all.

The KLA did kill Serb civilians too and not just police. They threw handgrenades into a cafe killing around 7 Serb teenagers a few months before NATO decided to help them win Kosovo all for themselves. NBA basketball player Vlade Divac adopted a 4-month-old girl in February 1999, before NATO strikes. Her parents had been killed by the KLA when they were on their way to the market. But you don't hear that reported in the news.

22 posted on 03/24/2005 12:50:20 PM PST by joan
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To: joan
Also, the ethnic violence was begun by the KLA who started to kill Serb police. Before the KLA, ethnic murders perpetrated by Serbs on Albanians were next to nothing, if not nothing at all.

That is what I remember. The rest became sort of fuzzy because so many groups were killing others and the players seemed to change daily. I also recall the comments that these groups had fought among themselves throughout history but then heard that they had peacefully coexisted for recent years until these "terrorists" provoked the Serbs. The Serb reaction to me seemed reasonable, not unlike what Israel, Russia, and even the U.S. are doing.

That is why, after the fact, I came to believe that Bill Clinton played this to his advantage, first by a media buildup about Serb genocide on the Muslims, mass graves, etc., to pave the way for intervention to protect and save the Muslims. His my opinion of his motives I stated earlier.

Thanks for your historical perspective.

23 posted on 03/24/2005 2:56:43 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The Serb reaction to me seemed reasonable, not unlike what Israel, Russia, and even the U.S. are doing.

As an American and as a career military officer, I cannot allow this to pass. It is a lie and an insult to every brave and honorable American soldier to compare what we have done in Afghanistan and Iraq to what the Serbs did in Kosovo. When the American Army starts lining up civilians by the dozen and shooting them, when it uses its vehicles to carry off the loot from robbing the homes of the local people, when it drives the majority of the populace from their homes to live in refugee camps, when it starts raping the women, burning the houses, slaughtering the livestock, dynamiting the mosques, and bulldozing villages to the ground--then start comparing the US Army with the Serbs.

24 posted on 03/24/2005 3:47:46 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Sorry, that was certainly not a comparison I intended to make. My intent was to say that they were reacting to the barbarity of the terrorist. However, the USA, and no one else, seems to be doing it in an honorable way. Russia, et al. are fighting barbarity with barbarity.

No one surpasses my respect for the US military and I am sorry I did not comunicate better. What you object to was simply not something I would even think.


25 posted on 03/24/2005 4:33:58 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: mark502inf; All
>>>>>When the American Army starts lining up civilians by the dozen and shooting them, when it uses its vehicles to carry off the loot from robbing the homes of the local people, when it drives the majority of the populace from their homes to live in refugee camps, when it starts raping the women, burning the houses, slaughtering the livestock, dynamiting the mosques, and bulldozing villages to the ground--then start comparing the US Army with the Serbs.<<<<

Mark, Serbia and America were allies in two world wars and during The Cold war. Let's make some comparrisons among the former and future allies:

As an officer and gentleman, you must be familiar with this report

There is another village, in another timezone and 31 years later, called VOKERIT (WALKER'S VILLAGE) where events have uncanny resemblance to the ones described in the report above. I can say that the conduct was similar.

Perhaps because the war is hell, especially when terrorists and insurgents use civilians as a cover and use civilan garb to hide themselves. In both cases, reason for action was murder of fellow soldier.

There were some difference. The number of weapons found in SON MY was 2. The number of weapons found in VOKERIT was much higher. During operation in VOKERIT there were no orders like ones in SON MY.

I have deliberately used the names SON MY instead of better known MY LAI and VOKERIT instead of RACAK to help you avoid kneejerk raction.

As an career American Officer you have to be a gentleman. It is not easy but it is what is required and expected.

"There are certain moral attributes common to the ideal officer and the perfect gentleman, a lack of which is indicated by acts of dishonesty, unfair dealing, indecency, indecorum, lawlessness, injustice, or cruelty. Not everyone is or can be expected to meet unrealistically high moral standards, but there is a limit of tolerance based on customs of the service and military necessity below which the personal standards of an officer, cadet, or midshipman cannot fall without seriously compromising the person’s standing as an officer, cadet, or midshipman or the person’s character as a gentleman. This article prohibits conduct by a commissioned officer, cadet or midshipman which, taking all the circumstances into consideration, is thus compromising. This article includes acts made punishable by any other article, provided these acts amount to conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman. Thus, a commissioned officer who steals property violates both this article and Article 121. Whenever the offense charged is the same as a specific offense set forth in this Manual, the elements of proof are the same as those set forth in the paragraph which treats that specific offense, with the additional requirement that the act or omission constitutes conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman."

Let me remind what is considered ungentlemanly conduct: ...knowingly making a false official statement;...cheating on an exam; ...using insulting or defamatory language to another officer in that officer’s presence or about that officer to other military persons; ...public association with known prostitutes;

Gentlemanly conduct is to say "I am sorry, I made a mistake" when one makes public mistake and embarrass Corps by his ungentlemanly conduct.

What will you do?

26 posted on 03/24/2005 10:45:35 PM PST by DTA
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To: joan; Mind-numbed Robot
Joan you are right on the money in regards to the real reality of what was going on in Kosovo. The KLA and associated criminal groups eat their own and continue to do so. Killing the remaining Serbs is nothing but sport in order to grab the remaining real estate. The US do not know what they have played with and it continues to get out of control. P.S. I was a bit more than just a British soldier....
27 posted on 03/25/2005 7:12:14 AM PST by Wraith (Your village called, the idiot is missing.......)
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To: Wraith
Thanks for the info. I, too, thought Joan explained things well.

Your village called, the idiot is missing.......

Please tell them I am doing fine here on FR. :-)

28 posted on 03/25/2005 7:28:45 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: paudio
Clinton bombed Beograd without UN consent, and nobody on the left or MSM made noise about it.

Actually the A.N.S.W.E.R kooks were against the bombing. A blind squirrel found a nut.

29 posted on 03/25/2005 7:32:04 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Wraith
I was a bit more than just a British soldier....

Ok Wraith, BS Meter's on and calibrated.

Tell us about it.

30 posted on 03/25/2005 8:41:58 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; vooch; Balkans; getoffmylawn; joan; Mind-numbed Robot; Jomini; ma bell
Hey diaper boy do you remember the last spanking you got and then of course things got quiet once again? Your village called the idiot is missing line is in remembrance that the institution you escaped from is still looking for you. Dementia is quite debilitating. Ouch!
31 posted on 03/25/2005 8:53:25 AM PST by Wraith (Your village called, the idiot is missing.......)
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To: Hoplite; Balkans; getoffmylawn

As for explaining myself I have and you have chosen to keep your head submerged in that same bucket of crap that has been fed to you. Now boo boo all you are is entertainment so get used to it.....


32 posted on 03/25/2005 9:05:00 AM PST by Wraith (Your village called, the idiot is missing.......)
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To: jb6
Clearly, Clinton’s cooperation with Balkan Islamists in the 1990s is only now turning like a boomerang against the US.

We have heard of unintended consequences. Well, these were intended consequences. The Clintons have always favored the Muslims against the U.S. but for different reasons. Hillary's are ideological and Bill's are personal.

33 posted on 03/25/2005 9:10:38 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Wraith
Thanks for the ping. Don't let these leftist trolls get to you. Have fun with them and throw their ignorance back into their faces (or should that be feces?).
34 posted on 03/25/2005 9:14:18 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Wraith
You were saying something about being a bit more than your average soldier Wraith.

Yet your substandard efforts in the insult department only point to your being nothing more than an internet commando - and not a very mature or linguistically skilled one at that.

C'mon - you once told me you were almost sent to a REFORGER back in the late '70's. I thought it strange at the time that you subsequently asked me if I had ever played "Crimson Skies". (What's a 40 year old dude doing playing kid's games?)

But changing the paradigm from you being legit to just some punk kid looking to glom on to some cred by claiming imaginary military service makes a damn sight more sense, especially since you persist in basing a good portion of your insult repertoire upon the notion that I'm older than you.

I think I am older than you, Wraith, and that has some damning implications as to your veracity.

So I ask you again: tell me about your military service.

35 posted on 03/25/2005 9:17:36 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Why don't you tell us about yours?


36 posted on 03/25/2005 9:37:04 AM PST by montyspython
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To: montyspython
8 years total - '85-'93. Started out as a Reserve 12B, went active duty from '87-'91 as an 11B, served at Benning and Bonifas, went to the Cal Guard and worked full time counternarcotics for a year and deployed down to the LA Riots where I most memorably guarded a Popeye's Chicken.

Now then, since I'm not basing my relevancy to this thread's conversation upon my service, perhaps you'd be objective enough to go ask wraith about his service.

Thanks.

37 posted on 03/25/2005 9:59:06 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: DTA
DTA, the My Lai example is one that Serb war crime deniers or apologists have brought up before. First, My Lai was a crime and a shame to the United States Army. However, unlike the Serb atrocities in Kosovo--such as the massacre of the Albanians at Racak--nobody that I know of is denying it or trying to explain it away.

In fact the link you provided is to a transcript of the Peers report detailing what happened at My Lai--a U.S. Army document prepared by Lieutenant General Peers who was directed to investigate the massacre by the Chief of Staff of the Army. That the Army appointed one of its highest ranking members to conduct an investigation and he produced the very candid report you referenced that was highly critical of members of the Army up through general officer level shows how seriously the U.S. Army regarded the situation. Perhaps you could point me to the Serb equivalent for any part of the much more extensive depredations in Kosovo?

Further, the Army took action. The platoon leader and company commander were court-martialed with the platoon leader convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. The company commander was tried for murder and found not guilty--the prosecution over-reached with murder--if he'd been tried for dereliction of duty, he'd have been found guilty and put away for a long time. The battalion commander was saved from disgrace & court martial as he was killed in Viet Nam. The Division Commander-who's offense was insufficient vigor in investigating the crime--was later relieved of command, demoted two ranks, and forced out of the Army.

I have never met another Army officer who agreed with President Nixon's decision to parole the platoon leader and cease work on the remaining prosecutions. If it was up to the U.S. Army, Lieutenant Calley would still be in prison along with several of his cohorts.

Now, DTA, what's the Serb excuse? You've got thousands of Albanian bodies--to include close to a thousand hidden on Serb special police training area near Belgrade where they were re-buried after being dug up from massacre sites in Kosovo and trucked away to Serbia. When is some good and honest senior leader from Serbia--whether it be from the Army or civil life--going to step forward and lay out the truth and at least try to force some accountability for all the crimes?

38 posted on 03/25/2005 10:07:45 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: Wraith; Nennsy

Wraith, have you "met" Nennsy? Nennsy lives in Kosovo in a village/city where there's only a few Serbs left, and will not say her exact location in case there are Albanians reading. Nennsy is the only Kosovo Serb living in Kosovo that I know of who posts on the internet.


39 posted on 03/25/2005 10:32:10 AM PST by joan
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To: SunkenCiv
He was too busy obstructing justice and dealing missile and nuke secrets to the Chinese to have had anything to do with fomenting terror.

He was also "too busy" ignoring a real genocide in Rwanda.

40 posted on 03/25/2005 10:35:17 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Hoplite
Considering the quality of Popey's Chicken, your services may have been wasted.

The request had nothing to do with relevancy, just curiosity.

Thank you.

41 posted on 03/25/2005 10:46:28 AM PST by montyspython
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To: montyspython; Wraith; Hoplite
Wraith, since Hoplite was so kind as to divulge his service record, how about you?
42 posted on 03/25/2005 10:55:47 AM PST by montyspython
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To: mark502inf; DTA
"such as the massacre of the Albanians at Racak--nobody that I know of is denying it or trying to explain it away."

Nobody says these people weren't massacred, dead people are dead people. The questions remains as to who actually did it, there is enough accounts to clearly suggest that this was a set up, wouldn't be the first time.

43 posted on 03/25/2005 11:08:28 AM PST by montyspython
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Hoplite; Wraith
<<< Your village called, the idiot is missing....... Please tell them I am doing fine here on FR. :-) >>>

Hey, you can get arrested for impersonating me, I'm the only official idiot on here, righ hoppy?

44 posted on 03/25/2005 12:37:37 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Genocide and ethnic cleansing by Milosevic was claimed in the media for weeks before Clinton acted. No mass graces nor other evidence of that has ever been found. This was Clinton's war, by Clinton and for Clinton, and we are now reaping the costs.

That may well be the case, I don't know - but Milosevic was certainly no saint!

45 posted on 03/25/2005 12:39:13 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (PIRA, CIRA, RIRA - separate leadership, common membership)
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To: mark502inf
That was Governor Bush's position in the 2000 presidential campaign against Gore--Clinton had done the right thing in stopping Milosevic, but should have kept ground troops on the table.

Bubba was certainly suffering from 'Vietnam Syndrome', as indeed most leftists do, and so he was afraid to send in the ground forces.

46 posted on 03/25/2005 12:42:44 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (PIRA, CIRA, RIRA - separate leadership, common membership)
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To: joan

Joan, as i've said, Nennsy is a fraud that tried to set me up in Presevo/Kosovo area. She's not a Serb.


47 posted on 03/25/2005 12:55:36 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell
... I'm the only official idiot on here, righ hoppy?

I was going to argue the point but, after that, I concede. Of course I said graces instead of graves so maybe I should reconsider.

48 posted on 03/25/2005 12:59:42 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
...but Milosevic was certainly no saint!

No he wasn't, making him the perfect foil for Clinton's plans.

49 posted on 03/25/2005 1:02:02 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; ma bell

Back to remedial blogging school for the both of you!


50 posted on 03/25/2005 1:02:24 PM PST by montyspython
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