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"Talking Points" Story Imploding? (Repub "memo") WaPoGate!!!
Powerlineblog ^ | 3-23-05 | Hindrocket (powerline blog)

Posted on 03/23/2005 5:25:25 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite

ABC News, the original source of the story on the alleged "GOP talking points" memo now appears to be backing off the story. Blogger Josh Clayborn has been talking to ABC representatives, both on and off the record, and they are now telling him that they never meant to imply that the "talking points" memo originated with the Republicans--only that it was given to some Republican Senators. See his most recent posts at In the Agora.

ABC's current position, as reported by Josh, makes little sense, as their coverage certainly did say that this was a Republican memo. (ABC's website described the memo as containing "GOP talking points.") But the fact that they are now backing off suggests that in reality, they have no idea where the memo came from.

Doubts are starting to appear in other quarters, as well. Just a little while ago, the memo's authenticity was discussed on MSNBC; the fact that bloggers have questioned the memo's provenance was discussed, and at least one guest expressed the opinion that the memo is a Democratic dirty trick.

Finally, we got this email from a staffer for a conservative Republican Senator:

Regarding this phantom “strategy memo” about Terri Schiavo, I can say with almost complete certainty that this memo did not get passed out by Republicans. For starters, nobody up here who knows anything about the Senate refers to last week’s activities as “the Budget Act” (bullet point #2). We didn’t work on the Budget Act last week; we worked on the budget resolution. It may sound like a silly, semantic point to make, but that statement in particular jumped out at me.

Next, there was absolutely no need to take action “before the Budget Act” was pending business. Action could be taken at any time to vote on the Schiavo resolution. In fact, Senators Reid and Frist tried to do exactly that, but were blocked in their request for unanimous consent by Sen. Wyden. On this same note, the budget resolution was “pending business” all week! Debate and votes on the budget resolution began Monday, March 14. Why would we pass out a memo instructing Senators to do something BEFORE the budget resolution was being debated in the middle of debate over the budget resolution? That would be like passing out a memo during the 7th inning of a baseball game instructing us to take batting practice or stretch before the game started. It makes no sense.

I was on and off the Senate floor all throughout the week, including during the Thursday night vote-a-rama. The only piece of literature that I saw being distributed was a simple list of amendments that were being voted on, and it had the Majority Whip’s name on it. No talking points, no summaries – just a simple card with a list of stacked amendments. My boss never received this alleged Schiavo memo. And trust me, given the ideological leaning of my boss, if anybody were to see this memo, it would be him.

I have not talked to any GOP staffers up here who have seen this phantom memo. Nobody I know received any e-mails containing anything even remotely close to this memo. Granted, nothing I have offered is conclusive, but this whole issue really stinks of fraud.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abcia; abcnews; cary; dirtytricks; gopmemo; memo; mikeallen; powerlineblog; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; wapogate; wp
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THIS IS HUGH AND SERIES, PEOPLE!!

I know everyone is concentrating on Terri right now, but this deserves enormous attention.

1 posted on 03/23/2005 5:25:25 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I AM BUCKHEAD!!!!


2 posted on 03/23/2005 5:27:25 PM PST by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: All

I am afraid that once Terri situation is resolved (I pray that Gov Bush rescues her), that people will become tired of this situation and not focus on this.

This is our chance to put one more nail in the MSM's awaiting coffin. Here is our chance to once again undermine the most dangerous propaganda dirty trickster machine ever invented. We must capitalize on it, we need Sean, Rush, Drudge, and others to talk about this (if they haven't already).


FYI:

"Is This the Biggest Hoax Since the Sixty Minutes Story?"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1368275/posts


"A Fishy Story Gets Fishier [Schiavo]"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369138/posts


"So: Where Did It Come From? [the so-called "GOP talking points" on the Schiavo case]"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369175/posts


3 posted on 03/23/2005 5:28:12 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: Stellar Dendrite

There is a thread on a lefty site claiming they are sure that it came from Santorum, even though it quoted (badly) Martinez in several spots...


4 posted on 03/23/2005 5:28:22 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Buckhead

Which font was used? Was it proportional?

I AM BUCKHEAD!


5 posted on 03/23/2005 5:28:40 PM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

It's getting to the point that the MSM telling the truth would be the only shocker, especially around here.


6 posted on 03/23/2005 5:28:41 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History remembers only what was, not what might have been.)
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To: Buckhead

Requesting your presence....


7 posted on 03/23/2005 5:28:50 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: Stellar Dendrite

The media lies faster than we can refute them....

but we're catching up, baby. We're catching up.


8 posted on 03/23/2005 5:29:44 PM PST by Samwise (Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Apparently ABC learned nothing from Memogate.


9 posted on 03/23/2005 5:29:46 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I pinged him earlier on this same topic- there are several threads on FR about this- but not getting too much attention right now.


10 posted on 03/23/2005 5:29:57 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: Cyclopean Squid

I am NOT going to let this issue die, this is too important. WaPoGate=Rathergate PT. II!!


11 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:04 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: Stellar Dendrite

bump. I hope this growns some big long legs.


12 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:26 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Regarding this phantom “strategy memo” about Terri Schiavo, I can say with almost complete certainty that this memo did not get passed out by Republicans

Well, DUH.

I suppose if Loutenberg (sic) sees this he'll take back his call for a prompt investigation. Nuts.

13 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:34 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Hugh Hewitt has talked about it some on his show tonight.


14 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: SE Mom

I saw your comments in previous threads, and wanted to ping you about this. I am planning on going to the Schiavo threads and posting the link to this topic.


15 posted on 03/23/2005 5:31:07 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: Old Sarge
No....I am Buckhead!!

Lando

16 posted on 03/23/2005 5:31:29 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (How many liberals does it take to win a war?)
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To: cripplecreek

Great! One can only hope that it will gain enough momentum.....


17 posted on 03/23/2005 5:32:38 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I know it's been discussed around here, but I think it be great if some FReepers were to go back and check on the WaPo's coverage of Watergate and see how much of that was fake. Maybe Nixon could even be rehabilitated to a degree.


18 posted on 03/23/2005 5:32:52 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History remembers only what was, not what might have been.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

There is no way that a major news organization would go public with a memo unless they were certain it was genuine and authentic.


19 posted on 03/23/2005 5:33:22 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Good thing the MSM is like an octopus otherwise it would run out of feet to shoot.


20 posted on 03/23/2005 5:33:34 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Wow. Dan Rather sure found a new job in a hurry.


21 posted on 03/23/2005 5:33:58 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: mewzilla
I suppose if Loutenberg (sic) sees this he'll take back his call for a prompt investigation. Nuts.

Nah. He'll increase the volume of his accusations and demand more light on the situation. Bwahahahahaha.

22 posted on 03/23/2005 5:34:27 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Stellar Dendrite; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MurryMom; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Liz; Mudboy Slim
...never meant to imply that the "talking points" memo originated with the Republicans--

Would I be completely out of bounds to instantly blame the worthless Rather? Nah...

23 posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:13 PM PST by Libloather (Start Hillary's recount now - just to get it out of the way...)
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To: Cboldt

Hee hee. Go, Frank, go!!


24 posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:30 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: spodefly
There is no way that a major news organization would go public with a memo unless they were certain it was genuine and authentic.

Taking a break from writing for Scrappleface, are we?

25 posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:35 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Where did Mary Mapes go to work after she got fired? Is she working for ABC now?


26 posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:43 PM PST by Duke Nukum (King had to write, to sing the song of Gan. And I had to read. How else could Roland find the Tower?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Death, corruption and fabrication.

27 posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:53 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Just the fact that the leaked memo was given to Mike Allen, the Bush Hater of the Washington Post says it was Democrats doing this deed.


28 posted on 03/23/2005 5:36:11 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Old Sarge
I AM BUCKHEAD!!!!

I've heard that mentioned. Your spelling maybe a bit off...

29 posted on 03/23/2005 5:36:39 PM PST by Libloather (Start Hillary's recount now - just to get it out of the way...)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Good thing the MSM is like an octopus otherwise it would run out of feet to shoot.

LOL.

30 posted on 03/23/2005 5:37:22 PM PST by Samwise (Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
I am Butthead! Uh, Buckwheat. Buckmeat. Whatever...
31 posted on 03/23/2005 5:37:46 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Reading Powerline, you really have to pity the left for two reasons:

1) the faked memos are so poorly done, it both demonstrates the simplemindedness of liberals and the aftereffects of their public school "educations."

2) the MSM, while simultaneously denying any sort of liberal bias, takes these pathetic faked memos, and dutifully reports them, verbatim, without even the barest hint of fact checking and source verification. Isn't one definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result?

There is also what I call a "bias magnification" effect, as exemplified by the Boston Globe and Chris Matthews to name a few, where the alleged "source" of the memos keeps moving higher and higher up in the Republican leadership with each telling of the story.

Intellectually lazy just doesn't cover it anymore.


32 posted on 03/23/2005 5:37:49 PM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Lanny Davis was on Oreilly calling it the partisan Republican memo. Oreilly did nothing since they were in A Slow Dim Zone.

It will have the intended effect unless it is quickly shot down and the perps identified IMHO.

33 posted on 03/23/2005 5:38:07 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: Cyclopean Squid

I agree. It makes you wonder.


34 posted on 03/23/2005 5:38:20 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: TASMANIANRED

Who do I see about getting permission to put that on a t-shirt? Not for sale, just for me.


35 posted on 03/23/2005 5:38:47 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: spodefly

"There is no way that a major news organization would go public with a memo unless they were certain it was genuine and authentic."

Where the hell have you been? Please tell me you forgot the /sarcasm switch!


36 posted on 03/23/2005 5:39:48 PM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Yup. More lies from the Dems, and their allies in the tar pit.


37 posted on 03/23/2005 5:40:05 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Duke Nukum

Well, I just IM'ed Matt Drudge, hopefully he will run with it.....


38 posted on 03/23/2005 5:40:45 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: Stellar Dendrite
" But the fact that they are now backing off suggests that in reality, they have no idea where the memo came from."

Someone should check and see what Lucy Ramirez has been up to.

39 posted on 03/23/2005 5:41:30 PM PST by Fabozz (Trapped behind enemy lines in Ukraine County, WA)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

No!

You're right - and it is difficult to keep attention on it.


40 posted on 03/23/2005 5:42:50 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
I think you are right. If you decide to start a ping list for later please add me!
41 posted on 03/23/2005 5:43:54 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: mewzilla
Here is where I went to get permission.

Antonius. I do not know who the graphic artist is but they deserve a medal.

42 posted on 03/23/2005 5:44:42 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
This Sunday, Chris Wallace, host of Fox News Sunday, read from the memo in a question to Sen. Mel Martinez, who said he'd not seen the memo or even heard of it. Wallace made no indication that he was at all skeptical of the memo; he read from it as if it were a legitimate thing. I wonder if the issue will come up this coming Sunday?

I wish Fox would rethink its FNS host choice of Chris Wallace!

43 posted on 03/23/2005 5:44:43 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Finally, we got this email from a staffer for a conservative Republican Senator:

Regarding this phantom “strategy memo” about Terri Schiavo, I can say with almost complete certainty that this memo did not get passed out by Republicans.

Several of us called this pretty much off the bat. It was my suspicion two days ago.

44 posted on 03/23/2005 5:45:31 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Cyclopean Squid

In 1972 Nixon was re-elected in one of the most massive landslide elections in U.S. political history, defeating George McGovern and garnering over 60% of the popular vote. He carried 49 of the 50 states, trailing only in Massachusetts.
Richard Nixon

Our Republic faced a grave threat to its existence when a single anonymous source vetoed Nixon's mandate.

45 posted on 03/23/2005 5:46:02 PM PST by Milhous
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To: EllaMinnow; Mo1

Dem dirty trick PING


46 posted on 03/23/2005 5:46:13 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: TASMANIANRED; Antoninus
Antonius. I do not know who the graphic artist is but they deserve a medal.

I'll second that. Antoninus, is that your work?

47 posted on 03/23/2005 5:47:10 PM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Good job:)


48 posted on 03/23/2005 5:47:11 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Will do, adding your name now :)


I just need some help from anyone who wants to get involved, we could flood Rush's, Sean's, etc email box.....

As stated before, I cannot let this issue die. It is too important, and the fraud is so blatant. It will put more doubt in non-political junkie's mind about the lying propagandists in the MSM. They want terri to die quickly, I want to see them die even quicker.


49 posted on 03/23/2005 5:47:38 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: writer33; CWOJackson

PING!!!


50 posted on 03/23/2005 5:47:59 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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