Plame Case May End With Criminal Going Free and 'Witnesses' Jailed

Editor and Publisher ^ | 03/24/05 | William E. Jackson Jr.

[TonyInOhio]

HA!

HA HA!

[Wristpin]

From day one of this affair, I've always believed that Plame and Wilson engaged in the criminal conduct. His "convienent" hiring and unauthorized divulging of intelligence information in the media was just an attempt to undermine the war by two Clinonistas.

I eagerly wait for Joe Wilson to be frog marched into custody and his wife to be fired from the CIA.

[advance_copy]

Judith Miller and Matt Cooper are protecting a source who told them Valerie Plame worked for the CIA. They want us to believe they are protecting someone from the Bush White House. Robert Novak didn't protect his source, but he did lie about it being someone in the Bush administration. I think Miller and Cooper were Novak's source. And I don't think Miller and Cooper would be willing to go to jail in order to protect a conservative. Anyone want to bet that Miller and Cooper's source is Joe Wilson?

[liberallarry]

Criminal Going Free and 'Witnesses' Jailed

These things happen. They highlight the limitations of human justice. That's why there are Presidential pardons.

[Steve_Seattle]

What an utterly dishonest piece this is. It first describes how Plame's identity was probably well known in Washington prior to this story, how her identity actually might have been conveyed to some members of administration by the press, and then goes on to assert that a felony has been committed, even though the law specifically says that disclosure of an agent's identity must be done for the purpose of jeopardizing national security, and there is no evidence whatsoever that that was the case.

[Dog]

Ping...to our resident sleuths on this matter.

[Steve_Seattle]

There is no evidence that a crime was committed by anyone in the administration. These highly partisan journalists tried to create a scandal, and now its blowing up in their faces. LOL These a**holes deserve everything that's happening to them. They were the ones committing crimes.

[NutCrackerBoy]

The liberal media wants it both ways. They hammered the Administration for the Plame identity leak as a crime. It is arguable, there were some here who took that position. It really wasn't a crime though. To protect some liberal journalists are being hurt, liberal media would have to admit that they were wrong. But that's not how these rascals operate. They weasel out of the responsibility to be consistent.

Similar to the WMDs in Iraq and al Qaqaa. They simultaneously want to hammer W for invading Iraq when there were absolutely zero WMDs, and hammer him for letting these dangerous munitions be "looted."

[liberallarry]

There is no evidence that a crime was committed by anyone in the administration

Novak revealed Plame's identity as a covert CIA operative. His sources seem to have committed a crime. That's why there's an investigation.

It may be that things are not what they seem to be; that Plame was not actually covert, that her identity was already well-known, that those who revealed her identity did so unwittingly or were tricked, etc. That's why due process is so important.

Freedom of the press is perhaps our most important freedom - public exposure is a terrific deterent to crime - and protecting sources is an essential part of that freedom.

The reporters are being prosecuted for protecting that freedom on the grounds that protecting sources cannot be used to shield criminals (ironic, don't you think, since you claim no crime has been committed). That in itself is wrong but it becomes a travesty when Novak is not one of them.

That your short-sighted, partisan sympathies render you incapable of seeing this makes me hold you in utter contempt. In this matter you are a true thug, a member of the mob, a Nazi.

[cyncooper]

Paradoxically, there is now little expectation that Fitzgerald will succeed in identifying the person or persons in the Executive Office of the President who was first to knowingly and intentionally violate the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by revealing Valerie Plame's covert CIA identity to journalists.

Really. Just say it was actually the "Executive Office of the President" and that makes it so? I think not. There is zero evidence to support that statement.

As to saying as if it has been established that Plame was covert, that is in dispute. For example:

The Plame Game: Was This a Crime?

I part ways with the authors of my link above in that I do believe other aspects of the Wilson/Plame story are being looked into so I am thinking Fitzgerald is not wasting time and money.

[Miss Marple]

Well, liberallarry, here's something to ponder on; I don't think that the leak is the prime objective of this Grand Jury. I think Fitzgerald is after bigger fish.

By the way, one of the reasons Miller was questioned os to find out the source of her information on a raid on Islamic charities, which was tipped to the charity and evidence probably destroyed. This happened in late 2001.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Cicero]

Plame and Wilson are the real criminals.

[cyncooper]

Thank you for the ping.

This from the article:

For example, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby -- a skilled lawyer -- is claiming that he first heard Plame's name from a press source. (Bob Novak is speculated to be Scooter's alleged source; Judith Miller comes in second.) If Libby mentioned the sensitive information to staff, they might have passed on what they had heard about Plame to selected reporters, without necessary knowledge of the law.

A new way to get around the fact that Libby signed a confidentiality waiver in order to clear his name as the ostensible "leaker".

In fact, Matt Cooper, among other reporters like Tim Russert, has told the grand jury that they did speak with Libby and he never mentioned Plame at all. Yet now we return to a circuitous effort to implicate him yet again.

There is no evidence Libby had knowledge of Wilson's trip in order to leak anything about it.

After Matt Cooper was first held in contempt last summer he did give the Libby clearing testimony. It was then the grand jury subpoened him again and he again was held in contempt. The grand jury wants to know more than who spoke to him about Plame. They want information on what he was told about Wilson and Wilson's 2002 trip to Niger. See the Appellate Court ruling for excerpts from the subpoena.

[Steve_Seattle]

The grand jury was not established to prosecute a crime, but to see if a crime was even committed. The pertinent law sets a very high bar of proof, one which requires actual, deliberate treason and intent to harm the security of the United States. As Novak said from the outset, Plame's identity was not shopped, or emphasized, but was made casually as part of a wide-ranging conversation. As other, even pro-Democrat, journalists have pointed out, Plame's identity was widely known in Washington before this "scandal" broke.

As for the press which you so uncritically praise, it generally defended one of the most sinister and massive threats to free speech in the history of this country - McCain-Feingold, and Bush was roundly criticized by me and others in this forum for signing that horrible law. The reporters in this case are being found in contempt of court, and most legal experts believe that the judges are acting responsibly and in conformance with previous freedom of the press precedent, and that appeals to higher courts would almost certainly fail. I'm not sure how my belief that reporters should obey settled law makes me a "Nazi".

[liberallarry]

one of the reasons Miller was questioned os to find out the source of her information on a raid on Islamic charities, which was tipped to the charity and evidence probably destroyed.

This sentence is incomprehensible. Aside from that Fitzgerald has been remarkably close-mouthed about his investigation...so I don't give your speculations any weight at all.

[cyncooper]

It's a separate grand jury that Patrick Fitzgerald has that involves Miller and her colleague, Philip Shenon, re the leaks involving Islamic charities. Quite possibly related as to what kind of leaks and criminality are being looked at that would be much broader than Plame's status in that particular grand jury.

TIMESMAN TIPPED OFF TERROR CHARITY: FEDS (NY Times Correspondent Accused)

excerpt:

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald of Chicago charged in court papers that Shenon blew the cover on the Dec. 14, 2001, raid of the Global Relief Foundation — the first charges of their kind under broad new investigatory powers given to the feds under the Patriot Act.

"It has been conclusively established that Global Relief Foundation learned of the search from reporter Philip Shenon of The New York Times," Fitzgerald said in an Aug. 7, 2002, letter to the Times' legal department.

~snip~

more:

Federal Court Backs 'NYT' in Phone-Records Case

excerpt:

The lawsuit had said Miller's phone records were being sought in connection with an investigation into an alleged leak from a government employee to Miller in late September and early October 2001. It said the alleged leak concerned a government decision to freeze the assets of the Global Relief Foundation and a Dallas-based Islamic charity, the Holy Land Foundation, which has been accused of aiding Hamas.

~snip~

[Steve_Seattle]

"there is now little expectation that Fitzgerald will succeed in identifying the person or persons in the Executive Office of the President who was first to knowingly and intentionally violate the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by revealing Valerie Plame's covert CIA identity to journalists"

This is an outrageous statement, made without proof. This is what the grand jury is investigating, and until its findings are known it is irresponsible and unprofessional to make this accusation. But liberallary thinks it's just fine, and if you disagree, you're a Nazi.

[liberallarry]

Your first paragraph is just a restatement of my assertions.

As for the press which you so uncritically praise

A complete misstatement of my position. I uncritically(?) praise freedom of the press. Not the press itself and certainly not individual newsmen or publications. Like Adam Smith's celebration of capitalism; protect free enterprise despite the fact that many businessmen are selfish, mean-spirited, unappealing crooks.

The reporters in this case are being found in contempt of court, and most legal experts believe that the judges are acting responsibly and in conformance with previous freedom of the press preceden

They are being found in contempt of court for refusing to reveal their sources...on the theory that there is no law or precedent which allows them to shield criminals or criminal actions. Probably a reasonable interpretation of the law.

But where's Novak in all this? Why isn't he being pursued? And here's something to think about. Suppose the reporters lose their appeals and decide to reveal their sources. What happens then? According to you NOTHING will happen because no crime has been committed. Are you satisfied with a legal system which allows such things to happen?

I'm not sure how my belief that reporters should obey settled law makes me a "Nazi"

I don't like using epithets like that. In my 3 years of posting this may be the first time I've used "Nazi". That tells you how important I think this case is and how blind I think you are.

[cyncooper]

Aside from that Fitzgerald has been remarkably close-mouthed about his investigation.

That is correct. Which is why we didn't find out about the Islamic charity business until court filings were reported.