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Plame Case May End With Criminal Going Free and 'Witnesses' Jailed
Editor and Publisher ^ | 03/24/05 | William E. Jackson Jr.

Posted on 03/24/2005 6:25:20 AM PST by Pikamax

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To: Steve_Seattle
This is an outrageous statement, made without proof.

It is completely baseless and outrageous.

21 posted on 03/24/2005 8:07:05 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Steve_Seattle
This is an outrageous statement, made without proof...but liberallary thinks it's just fine, and if you disagree, you're a Nazi

Liberallary thinks there will always be disputes about what is true and what isn't, especially in politics where real interests are at stake. The best way - BY FAR - to resolve these disputes is public discussion. When you start jailing your opponents you've lost all claim to decency or freedom.

22 posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:20 AM PST by liberallarry
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23 posted on 03/24/2005 8:09:43 AM PST by jla
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To: Steve_Seattle
This is an outrageous statement, made without proof. This is what the grand jury is investigating, and until its findings are known it is irresponsible and unprofessional to make this accusation.

If you'd made this statement from the beginning and left it at that I would have agreed with you.

24 posted on 03/24/2005 8:15:02 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
But where's Novak in all this? Why isn't he being pursued?

Possibly testified. He isn't saying but we know he hasn't been held in contempt.

25 posted on 03/24/2005 8:24:59 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: liberallarry

Why did you feel compelled to us the term "Nazi"?

It is not at all clear to me.


26 posted on 03/24/2005 8:25:35 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: liberallarry
The best way - BY FAR - to resolve these disputes is public discussion.

Yes, which is why the journalists should speak.

When you start jailing your opponents you've lost all claim to decency or freedom.

They have been called before a grand jury under subpoena and will not testify as the law demands. I urge you to read the appellate court ruling I linked up thread, including each judge's individual opinion. The three judges were unanimous and one judge even states he would be inclined to allow the journalists to protect their sources but the evidence presented under seal by the prosecutor was so compelling he virtually had no choice.

27 posted on 03/24/2005 8:31:16 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: liberallarry
There is no constitutional right to shield sources. There is not a federal shield law, only laws state by state. The reason I know this is that Mike Pence, CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN from Indiana, has introduced a federal shield law in this session.

In general the sources for a reporter aren't required by the government, except in cases of national security. In the Plame/Wilson case, we apparently have someone who may have broken national security laws. In the case of the Islamic charities raid, we have someone who revealed information that was given to the Islamic charities and allowed them to destroy evidence, when such raid was done a few months after 9/11 and was the government's appropriate efforts to discover sources of terrorism money and people IN THIS COUNTRY who were aiding and abbeting their activities.

28 posted on 03/24/2005 8:34:38 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: cyncooper
For some reason, I didn't realize those were two separate grand juries. I guess because the prosecutor and the witness names were the same, I just assumed that it was the same grand jury.

This is why I count on you for information in this case.

I also shouldn't try to get too technical when I am posting from my son's home and also watching a two-year old. LOL!

29 posted on 03/24/2005 8:36:22 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

It can be confusing but oh so very interesting.

I'll ping you if Matt Cooper gets frog-marched off to jail.

LOL


30 posted on 03/24/2005 8:37:53 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Pikamax

This seems like a just decision to me. What's all the fuss? Jail the journalists and free Terri!


31 posted on 03/24/2005 8:45:19 AM PST by noah (noah)
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To: cyncooper
Please do! I look forward to it, particularly if Mandy Grunewald is wailing in the background and gnashing her vampire teeth! LOL!

Off to do more laundry. Back later.

32 posted on 03/24/2005 8:48:26 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Pikamax

I didn't even bother to read the whole article because there was no crime involved in Plame case and the so-called witnesses deserve what they get for attempting a partisan attack on a conservative reporter, in an attempt to influence an election. Besides that, the source that the government is looking for, is probably within the CIA, or was at the time and fed the two reporters other information which the reporters then used to interfer with a terrorist investigation.


33 posted on 03/24/2005 8:51:27 AM PST by Eva
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To: Pikamax
Paradoxically, there is now little expectation that Fitzgerald will succeed in identifying the person or persons in the Executive Office of the President who was first to knowingly and intentionally violate the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by revealing Valerie Plame's covert CIA identity to journalists.

It was probably Ted Kennedy.

34 posted on 03/24/2005 8:51:49 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Steve_Seattle

Add to that that apparently Plame no longer had a "covert identity" for nearly a decade before.


35 posted on 03/24/2005 10:06:44 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Dog; liberallarry

Thing is, the blabbers already spoke to the FBI.

The info is out there.


36 posted on 03/24/2005 10:14:36 AM PST by Shermy
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To: liberallarry

"But where's Novak in all this? Why isn't he being pursued?"

Larry,

don't buy into the latest left-side deflections. Novak is pursued. In fact, his sources have already spoken to the FBI, saying they told him not to use the name. This has been reported, but is ignored, because the Plame investigation cheerleaders are having second thoughts because it turns out that the leakers were not the usual hate objects of Rove, Libby, etc.

Novak can't talk, but he did warn them. He said the first leaker was "not a partisan gunslinger." They didn't listen.

The crime is not who printed but who leaked.


37 posted on 03/24/2005 10:33:35 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Pikamax
It is difficult to imagine a scenario in which the criminal is not found but the witness to the crime is sent to jail.

Well, if you have witnesses lying to cover up a criminal act, it seems logical that they might succeed in allowing that criminal to go free. Why is that so difficult to imagine?

38 posted on 03/24/2005 10:36:13 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: liberallarry; Androcles; cyncooper

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0316-25.htm

Here's a prof for journalistic protections - but not in this particular case.


39 posted on 03/24/2005 5:45:36 PM PST by Shermy
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