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GOP leaders unlikely to pursue new avenues to keep Schiavo alive
kansascity.com ^ | Wed, Mar. 23, 2005 | JEFF ZELENY

Posted on 03/24/2005 11:02:42 AM PST by Destro

Posted on Wed, Mar. 23, 2005

GOP leaders unlikely to pursue new avenues to keep Schiavo alive

BY JEFF ZELENY

Chicago Tribune

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - President Bush and congressional leaders said Wednesday they had exhausted their options and could find no new political avenues to prolong the life of Terri Schiavo.

"Now, we'll watch the courts make its decisions," Bush said at a news conference in Texas. "But we looked at all options from the executive branch perspective."

The president's brevity on the subject - devoting only a few moments to an issue that had overshadowed other domestic issues for days - suggested Republicans had decided to not aggressively pursue other alternatives or try to change public opinion in the case of the severely brain-damaged woman.

A CBS News poll released Wednesday showed that 82 percent of Americans believe neither Congress nor the president should have intervened. And among people who describe themselves as evangelicals, more than two-thirds of respondents said Bush and lawmakers should stay out of the case.

As criticism mounted from some strict conservatives over the decision of fellow Republicans to inject Congress into a state's rights issue, Bush defended the legislation, saying the government "ought to err on the side of life, which we have."

Still, the White House said explicitly the administration had no intention of taking the Schiavo case any further.

"There really are not other legal options available to us," said spokesman Scott McClellan.

The House Government Reform Committee canceled a hearing, which had been hastily arranged as a means to stop Schiavo's feeding tube from being removed. While Republicans planned to file another appeal when the Schiavo case reached the Supreme Court, Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said lawmakers would not become deeply involved.

For days, Republicans have dismissed suggestions that their intervention in the case was rooted in politics, particularly to mollify anti-abortion and other social conservative groups. "The legal and political issues may be complicated, but the moral ones are not," House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said last weekend.

But an audiotape obtained by CNN on Wednesday, featuring a speech by DeLay to the Family Research Council, offered another view. He said the case could be used to rally conservatives.

"One thing God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo," DeLay said, "to elevate the visibility of what is going on in America."

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(Chicago Tribune correspondent John Biemer contributed to this report.)


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 109th; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; tomdelay
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Overreach?
1 posted on 03/24/2005 11:02:50 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro

When do they plan on meeting late August or next Christmas


2 posted on 03/24/2005 11:04:29 AM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Destro

I guess the real power of the land is the courts now. The true title of the piece should read, "US law not worth the paper it is written on."

Mike


3 posted on 03/24/2005 11:05:03 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: Destro

I know that there are good people who are genuinely concerned for Terri's well-being.. but all the public sees is clowns likes Delay who want to exploit a tragedy for political gain. It isn't pretty.


4 posted on 03/24/2005 11:07:46 AM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: BCR #226

Congress passed a law empowering federal courts to rule on the Terri issue. The courts have ruled.


5 posted on 03/24/2005 11:08:48 AM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: BCR #226

Actually the law of the land (in Florida) was followed on this case. Many just don't like the outcome - heck, the law Bush signed in Texas would have sided with the husband in this case back in 1999.


6 posted on 03/24/2005 11:12:21 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

They've seen the public opinion polls.


7 posted on 03/24/2005 11:13:25 AM PST by dwilli
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To: Destro

There comes a time when abiding by the injunctions of these robed tyrants should be disregarded, the legal consequences be damned. Life takes precedence over the convenience of the court and every basic sense of justice to humanity dictates that this woman should be allowed to live. The courts of the past recognized this once upon a time, but have long since abdicated themselves to a culture of death. In that case it is up to Governor Bush to say to hell with the courts and act. Let justice be done, though the Heavens may fall.


8 posted on 03/24/2005 11:15:01 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Destro

Yet, DCS has a clear legal mandate to intervene according to Florida law... but Judge Greer has forbade that from happening. He has disallowed evidence contrary to what Michael Schaivo has submitted, and he has denied a hearing on charges of abuse. What more do you need?

Mike


9 posted on 03/24/2005 11:15:51 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: ambrose

Delay is the only pol to speak out for a few days.

Deflects the charges that he just might be as slimy
as Jim Wright.


10 posted on 03/24/2005 11:16:06 AM PST by dwilli
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To: GOPcapitalist

hyperbole - the Texas Gov. Bush would have had her off the tube back in 1999. They just took a premature infant off the life support in Texas this week. You have been duped into investing self in an issue rigged to gain a politicial edge, IMHO.


11 posted on 03/24/2005 11:18:56 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: BCR #226
He has disallowed evidence contrary to what Michael Schaivo has submitted

Not true - evidence was presented in court by both sides plus court appointed medical team - the Court found for the hospital and the husband's experts per Florida law. You just don't like the decision. Like I keeps saying - if this was Texas, this would not even be an issue.

12 posted on 03/24/2005 11:21:31 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

If Bush would've done the same then he would have fault on his hands there as well. Schaivo's case is a matter of life and death at its very core and was so long before it became politicized. It is a matter of ethics, not law, and ethics state that in uncertain cases such as these we should always err on the side of caution, not death. The only person who has been duped around here is you.


13 posted on 03/24/2005 11:21:52 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: ambrose; Howlin; Mitchell

All this blame of the Bushes' inept reactions to Peggy Noonan's ignorant article is off target.

This was a court matter from the beginning. The anger needs to be directed there. The Supreme Court is the problem. We need to impeach them. They are full of libruls like Scalia. Scalia = libural = murderer = killer = "living" will suicide pact supporter = Hitler = Stalin = guy who keyed my car = Pilate. Two minute clip of four hours of video all that need to prove Terri speaks. Plus her mother's lawyer said so to. A LAWYER. Why would she lie?


14 posted on 03/24/2005 11:22:01 AM PST by Shermy
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To: GOPcapitalist
Bush has done the same thing in Texas - the law is still doing it. The reaction thus proves to me the maneuvering over this case was about politics not ethics.
15 posted on 03/24/2005 11:30:10 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: ambrose
but all the public sees is clowns likes Delay who want to exploit a tragedy for political gain. It isn't pretty.

Well, not now; evidently Randall Terry and Alan Keyes and Larry Klayman are doing all the talking.

16 posted on 03/24/2005 11:33:02 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

That is a sign the higher ups are giving up the "fight" and passing he issue to the talk show radio fodder.


17 posted on 03/24/2005 11:34:32 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Jeb Bush has one last clear shot to act and save this woman's life. So does the President.

If they don't, they will have reduced themselves as leaders.

The Senate has one chance to fix the more general problem by invoking the so-called "Nuclear Option" and installing strict constructionist judges. But they too are wavering.

If they don't, the Republican party will split. The pro-life Christians will have been definitively betrayed and, demoralized, they will sit out the next election, or vote for a new "Pro-life party" or the like.

I hope the Republican leadership realizes that they are standing on a precipice. But I get the feeling they believe this Life issue can be finessed.

It can't be. The Republicans have the power. The Christians know it. It's the only issue the pro-life Christians really care about, or have cared about for a long time.

If the Republicans don't stand up and do the right thing, electoral disaster awaits.


18 posted on 03/24/2005 11:34:33 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Shermy

It's hard to sort through what's true anymore; IMO, the two nurses did nothing to help this case with their wild accusations; one of them even said she was able to move from the bed to use the bedpan!


19 posted on 03/24/2005 11:34:34 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Destro
Overreach?

Linear thinking.

20 posted on 03/24/2005 11:35:25 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: GOPcapitalist

add me to the list of the duped. It's the law. Don't like the law, work to get it changed.


21 posted on 03/24/2005 11:37:37 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: Vicomte13
If they don't, the Republican party will split. The pro-life Christians will have been definitively betrayed and, demoralized, they will sit out the next election, or vote for a new "Pro-life party" or the like.

It's already split away; take a look at the polls; the vast majority of conservatives in the GOP do NOT approve of what Congress did.

And people who sit out get what they deserve, nothing.

22 posted on 03/24/2005 11:39:37 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

But those nurses SWORE they were telling the truth! That means we have to believe them, you know. Besides, whatever bad things are said about Michael we are compelled to believe.


23 posted on 03/24/2005 11:40:21 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: Howlin

It's mass hysteria fed by nuts and vultures circling around the parents.

That nurse was nuts. Had conversations with Terri? Sheesh.


24 posted on 03/24/2005 11:41:03 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Destro

I have a feeling that Terry has been doing the stirring for the last week or so.

BTW, he is now "the" official spokesman for the Schindler family. *Rolling my eyes*


25 posted on 03/24/2005 11:42:27 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Trust but Verify
add me to the list of the duped. It's the law. Don't like the law, work to get it changed.

An unjust law is unfit to stand. The law killing Schaivo is unjust, therefore let it be damned.

26 posted on 03/24/2005 11:43:01 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Trust but Verify

Besides, the Florida legislature DID change the law two years ago to protect Schaivo, so you cannot claim that a change in the law has not been attempted. The judicial thugs on the Florida Supreme Court threw it out. Thus they have not only upheld an unjust and therefore illegitimate law - they have also blocked an attempt by the legislature to make that law just, thereby sustaining the original unjust law.


27 posted on 03/24/2005 11:45:29 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist
What is unjust about it? Don't you think this and similar laws are applied almost daily all over the country? What kind of law would you have? Where the government gets to make the decision for the family?

That's not America.

28 posted on 03/24/2005 11:47:06 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: Destro
RE: "President Bush and congressional leaders said Wednesday they had exhausted their options and could find no new political avenues to prolong the life of Terri Schiavo"

I am not surprised the GOP "can not" (translation: will not) do more. I would have been surprised if they had done something to give Terri her Constitutional rights.

Hearings on the abuses of the Judiciary - not gonna see um.
Cut staffing budget to the Courts - not gonna see it.
Redraw Federal districts to make their jobs less secure - nope not gonna happen.
Impeachment of the worse offenders - your kiddin me right, not gonna, not now, no not never.

To do any of these things (all within the Constitutional power of the GOP controlled Congress) would remove the political cover they value so highly.

Judicial Tyranny and the murder of Terri Schiavo during the GOP watch. But the Social Security Crisis has been averted
29 posted on 03/24/2005 11:47:29 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Destro
A CBS News poll released Wednesday showed that 82 percent of Americans believe neither Congress nor the president should have intervened. And among people who describe themselves as evangelicals, more than two-thirds of respondents said Bush and lawmakers should stay out of the case.

Word up!

30 posted on 03/24/2005 11:48:19 AM PST by Drango (All my ideas, good or bad, are stolen from other FReepers)
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To: Destro

Sorry, Greer disallowed statements from nurses and doctors stating that Terri could respond to therapy as well as other statements... On top of that, once the possibility of abuse came into the picture, the whole situation was changed. If he is allowed to succeed, due process is done.

Mike


31 posted on 03/24/2005 11:50:08 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: Trust but Verify
What is unjust about it?

The fact that it violates the principle of a double effect and sanctions error other than that on the side of caution.

Don't you think this and similar laws are applied almost daily all over the country?

The scope of injustice no more makes its act just than the scope of abortion makes it anything other than killing.

What kind of law would you have? Where the government gets to make the decision for the family?

Four out of five most immediate family members, all of them Schaivo's blood relatives, were completely excluded from the decision process. Thus the "family" you claim to have made this decision is in reality one single person: Michael Schaivo.

32 posted on 03/24/2005 11:51:00 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Drango

Have you seen that poll? I'd like to see it.


33 posted on 03/24/2005 11:51:06 AM PST by Howlin
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To: GOPcapitalist

The guardian appointed by Jeb Bush, pursuant to that law, said she should be allowed to die.


34 posted on 03/24/2005 11:53:11 AM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: Destro
Overreach?

No surprise you're down on this. The Ruskies practically invented death by starvation for political purposes, after all.
35 posted on 03/24/2005 11:53:22 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: ambrose


That is/was Wolfson?


36 posted on 03/24/2005 11:54:47 AM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: Destro

No. Lack of Cojones.


THe simple fact is, the Branches of Government are COEQUAL.

The Executive of Florida, OR the United States, should EXECUTE THE LAW AS THEY SEE FIT, and MAKE THE COURTS Sue them.

SCOTUS would be forced to Rule, or by their inaction Let Terri live.Whcih would still be a ruling.


37 posted on 03/24/2005 11:55:50 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "For your AMUSEMENT..." ; ))
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To: Howlin
It's already split away; take a look at the polls; the vast majority of conservatives in the GOP do NOT approve of what Congress did.

You know quite well that these "polls" are utterly bogus--they are push polls conducted on an ignorant population by the pro-death media.

Want a real indication of where the base of the party stands on the issue? Look at the various FR polls--practically all of them show an 80%-20% vote in favor of the various efforts to save Terri.
38 posted on 03/24/2005 11:56:42 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Vicomte13

The judges acted in strict accordance to the law - they followed Flrida law. This is in fact NOT a case of judicial activisim.


39 posted on 03/24/2005 11:57:00 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
I called Frist's office this morning and suggested he get himself home from New Hampshire and take care of getting the President Judge's confirmed.

The guy tells me Frist is home for the Easter holiday.

Told him that he seemed to have time to do a medical diagnosis via edited videotape and time to go to New Hampshire to campaign, too bad he had no time for the job he has.

40 posted on 03/24/2005 11:58:06 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: Trust but Verify
That's not America.

Your America is apparently the land where a judge orders a disabled woman to be starved to death and defies any and all efforts to save her.

You can have your America. I spit on it.
41 posted on 03/24/2005 11:58:09 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: onyx

yes

http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/SchiavoFinalReport.pdf


42 posted on 03/24/2005 11:58:38 AM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: Howlin; hchutch
Well, not now; evidently Randall Terry and Alan Keyes and Larry Klayman are doing all the talking.

Yup. And we all know what a fine track record of accomplishment these three bring to the table.

43 posted on 03/24/2005 11:58:57 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Destro

The United States COngress passed, and the President of the UNited States signed into law, a law odrdering a De Novo review of Terri's Case.


The Last time I checked, SCOTUS refused to Rule on it, Now The 11thCircuit has issued a ruling on a pleading based on it, but as it stands RIGHT NOW, it is the LAW OF THE LAND if someone has the Balls to use Force to execute it.


44 posted on 03/24/2005 11:59:11 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "For your AMUSEMENT..." ; ))
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To: Mark in the Old South

There is no judicial tyranny in this case - the judiciary followed the law on this matter to the letter.


45 posted on 03/24/2005 11:59:11 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Antoninus
Want a real indication of where the base of the party stands on the issue?

When I want a look at the base of the GOP, I won't look on FR; this is a small, yet vocal group, but not representative of the GOP's base as a whole.

46 posted on 03/24/2005 11:59:16 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Poohbah

Very telling, IMO.


47 posted on 03/24/2005 12:00:34 PM PST by Howlin
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To: ambrose

Ambrose, due to the complete failure of our schools to teach our Constitutional system, the vast majority of Americans haven't got a clue about the proper roles of Congress, the Executive Branch, the federal courts, and the state governments.


48 posted on 03/24/2005 12:01:18 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Antoninus; Howlin
Want a real indication of where the base of the party stands on the issue? Look at the various FR polls--practically all of them show an 80%-20% vote in favor of the various efforts to save Terri.

I agree that the FR shows that split...However, there isn't one scientific poll that supports the parents over the husband. Not one.

And the GOP should/will read those tea leaves.

49 posted on 03/24/2005 12:01:20 PM PST by Drango (All my ideas, good or bad, are stolen from other FReepers)
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To: dwilli

This has nothing to do with Congress. Public confidence of Congress waned several years ago.


50 posted on 03/24/2005 12:01:31 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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