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Thomas More Law Center Response to Jeb Bush Request for Opinion on Schiavo Case supplied 10/15 2003
MichaelSavage.com ^ | 10/15/2003 | Thomas More Law Center

Posted on 03/24/2005 6:57:44 PM PST by Critter

Clicking on the Source link will take you to the PDF file hosted on MichaelSavage.Com which is the Thomas More Law center's Response to Jeb Bush's request for their legal opinion on the Schiavo case, dated 10/15/2003.

Read it for yourself and be appalled at Gov Bush's inaction for over 2 years. He knew over 2 years ago that DCFS had the power to take custody of Terri.

He knew that there was a strong posibility that abuse and neglect was taking place over 2 years ago.

From page two, typed by me:

"In the final analysis, the fact of this case clearly establish probable cause to conduct a full criminal investigation of the circumstances surrounding the disability of Ms. Schiavo. To date, the facts of the case have not been viewed through the lens of a criminal investigation."

"Ms. Schiavo's life is at stake. Therefore you should take immediate custody of Ms. Schiavo... direct the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to conduct of full investigation of the facts and circumstances of this case, to include secuyring search warrants and interviewing witnesses, including medical experts, and take measures to prevent future harm to Ms. Schiavo pending the outcome of the investigation. "


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: center; jebbush; jebwasheshishands; judicial; law; more; pontiuspilate; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; thomas; tyranny
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1 posted on 03/24/2005 6:57:49 PM PST by Critter
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To: Critter

The Florida Supreme Court disagrees.


2 posted on 03/24/2005 6:58:36 PM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: Critter
"Ms. Schiavo's life is at stake. Therefore you should take immediate custody of Ms. Schiavo... direct the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to conduct of full investigation of the facts and circumstances of this case, to include secuyring search warrants and interviewing witnesses, including medical experts, and take measures to prevent future harm to Ms. Schiavo pending the outcome of the investigation. "

This needs to be done, even if Terri dies. Justice must be done, people need to go to jail. The sunshine needs to be shown on all these scummy little cockroaches. Greer, Felos, SCUMBAG, etc

3 posted on 03/24/2005 7:03:11 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: sharktrager
The Florida Supreme Court disagrees.

They also think Al Gore won the election.

4 posted on 03/24/2005 7:04:00 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Do you have a bump list for Terri threads?


5 posted on 03/24/2005 7:04:10 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: sharktrager

I'd like to see if a grand jury agrees with the supremes.


6 posted on 03/24/2005 7:06:27 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: Critter

exactly......A grand jury needs to have an investigation.


7 posted on 03/24/2005 7:09:00 PM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: Pelham

Excellent comeback!


11 posted on 03/24/2005 7:23:46 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Pelham

Excellent comeback!


12 posted on 03/24/2005 7:25:18 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: blownawaybylibs

make no mistake....the very soul of America is at stake


13 posted on 03/24/2005 7:26:29 PM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: blownawaybylibs

If Bush does NOT go in and rescue Terri, it won't happen.


14 posted on 03/24/2005 7:29:46 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: sharktrager
The Florida Supreme Court disagrees.

How many legions does the Pope have?

15 posted on 03/24/2005 7:31:17 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: blownawaybylibs

Michael Savage impressed me big time tonight.

It was extremely refreshing to listen to a talk radio host that is NOT a bushleague sock puppet.


16 posted on 03/24/2005 7:32:36 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: Critter

Good posting. After this fiasco with Terri, Jeb might want to polish up his resume.


17 posted on 03/24/2005 7:33:51 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Critter

This is powerful information.....but where I see the hang up is that Jeb has to petition a court to take custody and he did and was turned down. Are his hands tied now?


18 posted on 03/24/2005 7:34:34 PM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: Shannon

If he doesn't save her now, his political career should go down the toilet, I hope.


19 posted on 03/24/2005 7:35:06 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: TexasTaysor

No where in any statute does it say that the governor or DCFS has to get permission from a judge to take emergency action.


20 posted on 03/24/2005 7:36:05 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: Canadian Outrage

It's the Thomas More Law Center!


21 posted on 03/24/2005 7:36:23 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Critter

I agree. If he had this info for two years and just sat on it then he's not worthy of being governor. Go find another job.


22 posted on 03/24/2005 7:39:12 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Critter
Michael Savage impressed me big time tonight. ---------- It was extremely refreshing to listen to a talk radio host that is NOT a bushleague sock puppet.

****

I agree. I love his heat.

23 posted on 03/24/2005 7:39:21 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: Critter

If Terri dies during Jeb Bush's watch, what are his chances of ever being nominated for President?


24 posted on 03/24/2005 7:39:56 PM PST by hmmmmmmmmmmm
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To: Critter

Thomas More (sic) Law Center is far far far away from the state of Florida. I've never been too impressed with their lawyering.


25 posted on 03/24/2005 7:41:25 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: blownawaybylibs; Howlin
it seems so typical of the Bushes to me. privileged rich guys who have never had to worry about anything and have nothing in common with the rest of us. they willl never have to worry about their medical care or anyone pulling THEIR plugs. both of the Bush brothers disgust me at this point. either of them couuld save Terri and could have days ago. and yes...Jeb Bush has known about the situation surrounding Terri for years now and chose to do....NOTHING. at least he is being consistent.

Regardless of what side you're on in this debate, this is an asinine accusation.

26 posted on 03/24/2005 7:43:05 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: TAdams8591
It's the Thomas More Law Center!

If we accept the court as the final authority, then our country is doomed, judging by your comment, you seem content with that. May God have mercy upon us all, for we surely need it.

27 posted on 03/24/2005 7:43:31 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: hmmmmmmmmmmm

Zip, zero, nada, none.


28 posted on 03/24/2005 7:43:43 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Critter

Read it for yourself and be appalled at Gov Bush's inaction for over 2 years. He knew over 2 years ago that DCFS had the power to take custody of Terri.

He knew that there was a strong posibility that abuse and neglect was taking place over 2 years ago.



Precisely why he's not doing anything now. The cover-up goes all the way to the top. They are all guilty.


29 posted on 03/24/2005 7:44:16 PM PST by Daisy4
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To: Critter
No where in any statute does it say that the governor or DCFS has to get permission from a judge to take emergency action.

This what does this mean? "In the event you employ this procedure, the Department must petition a court for an order authorizing emergency protective services within 24 hours after arranging for the emergency removal of Ms. Schiavo See Fla. Stat. 412.1051 (2)(b)"
30 posted on 03/24/2005 7:45:48 PM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: ClintonBeGone

Glad you pasted it, it's gone now. :-)

Looks like you're right.

On another thread, somebody else said Bush was too weak to protect us. Go figure.


32 posted on 03/24/2005 7:52:40 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TexasTaysor

"In the event you employ this procedure, the Department must petition a court for an order authorizing emergency protective services within 24 hours after arranging for the emergency removal of Ms. Schiavo See Fla. Stat. 412.1051 (2)(b)"




Notice it says "must petition "a" court, NOT Greer's court. He can go to any court and get the order without any problem because it's within his authority.


33 posted on 03/24/2005 7:58:45 PM PST by Daisy4
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To: TexasTaysor

the whole point would be to get terri OUT of greer's court


34 posted on 03/24/2005 8:01:27 PM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: Daisy4

That's good....I just assumed he had to go through channels and that probably meant Greer's court

Thanks


35 posted on 03/24/2005 8:01:36 PM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: Critter

He is hated by many on this site, many might attack you for stating a favorable opinion so beware. I dig Dr. Savage....


36 posted on 03/24/2005 8:02:10 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: TexasTaysor

24 hours after they act, thay have to inform the court, and then go through due process to determine what happens next.


37 posted on 03/24/2005 8:05:23 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: Critter

The statute says they have to petition the court within (IIRC) 48 hours afterwards. So far, so good. Unfortunately, Greer saw this coming, and beat them to the punch by issuing a restraining order, first. Now, it's complicated -- and which branch decides on complicated issues?


38 posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:21 PM PST by expatpat
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To: sharktrager

Bugger the Florida Supreme Court!


39 posted on 03/24/2005 8:11:11 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Critter

Do you always bite the hand that feeds you? What about a little anger for the judges who have done this to Terri?


40 posted on 03/24/2005 8:13:43 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: expatpat

I wish Bush would get it through his thick head, judges are not dictators and cannot make up law as they go. The judge cannot restrain an agency from carrying out it's lawful duty, just because he feesl like it.


41 posted on 03/24/2005 8:16:21 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: GOPJ

My anger for the judges has been expressed all over this forum. It was only when I found this information that I became angry with Bush.

He asked Thomas More Law Center for their opinion, they gave it to him, and he did nothing. He could have fixed this mess two years ago.


42 posted on 03/24/2005 8:18:43 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: TAdams8591

How often have I said this TA????? I just had a friend, a legal researcher, email Jeb Bush with ALL of the Florida Statutes under which he can LEGALLY and without RECOURSE, act to carry this out RIGHT NOW. I'm CONVINCED THAT CORRUPTION AND COLLUSION IS SO WIDESPREAD in Florida that Jeb Bush is AFRAID to act. I believe that the COLLUSION and CORRUPTION has it's tentaticles in EVERY SINGLE INSTITUTION that could interfere here. The Judicary obviously, the Florida Government obviously, the DCF obviously, Law Enforcement Obviously. WHY doesn't the FBI step in and take control of this little Nazi Germany? Why doesn't Iceland, JUST DECLARE TERRI AN ICELANDIC CITIZEN and demand that Greer must not harm one of their citizens? This country just gave an HONORARY CITIZENSHIP to (?) Fisher a little while ago. Once that is done, the USA may NOT harm one of another countries citizens who is NOT charged with a crime. Other than something like that, OR a MASSIVE ARMED UPRISING,Terri's TORTURE is going to continue until she painfully breathes her last breath. CLEARLY when Greer sees it necessary to surround the Hospice with GUARDS and POLICE and make it into a PRISON, he's scared of this girl living and getting better. The USA is being FLUSHED DOWN THE MORAL CRAPPER RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES AND THE WHOLE WORLDS EYES. WHAT A WIMP Governor Bush is. OR is it something else? There is NO other LOGICAL answer.


43 posted on 03/24/2005 8:19:40 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South !)
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To: Critter
Read it for yourself and be appalled at Gov Bush's inaction for over 2 years. He knew over 2 years ago that DCFS had the power to take custody of Terri. He knew that there was a strong posibility that abuse and neglect was taking place over 2 years ago.

Thank you for providing the link to these 2 letters. This is amazing that Jeb Bush knew in 2003 his exact powers and the recommendation for a criminal investigation., but chose not to act then or since to take Terri into protective custody or order the criminal investigation. Today he mealymouthed says that people don't understand his limited powers and that he has done all he can. I am appalled at Gov Bush. I am also so sad that of the many millions of Americans, probably very few will ever read these 2 letters, and will remain in the dark about the background of Jeb's lack of action. Until I read those letters just now, I had thought Jeb just might find the courage to rescue her shortly and save her life. Now I know not to hope for that.

Charles Bronson, where are you?

44 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:16 PM PST by shebacal
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To: TexasTaysor

Jeb Bush has EXECUTIVE POWERS!! Those powers may be exercised WITHOUT ANY COURT.


45 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:19 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South !)
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To: atomicpossum
Felos might wait 15 minutes before filing a habeas corpus writ in federal court based on his clioent's guardianship of Terri Schaivo. Upon the issuance of the writ, US marshalls would attempt to enforce the command to turn over the body. Then, would state police or sheriffs risk contempt at that point. Even more, do you really think Jeb Bush would order defiance of the federal writ.

I sense that the woman who appeared to be the Governor's lawyer and telegraphed the move of taking custody of Terri, is aout the caliber of Jeb Bush's legal advice right now. Let's just say we will not get anthing unconventional or heroic from Jeb. The telegraph so that he got splunked by Greer was so inept that Jeb Bush did us all a favor and he can be dropped from any national leadership role.

47 posted on 03/24/2005 8:31:34 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: ghostofblownawaybylibs

if your posting privileges were revoked, how come you ar making this post?


48 posted on 03/24/2005 8:33:11 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: Canadian Outrage

He's not going to use them, and now I know that he never planned to use them, regardless of what he said. When DCFS went to Greer to ask permission to take Terri into custody, they did so knowing that Greer would deny that permission. By asking permission, do they not enter into a de facto agreement to abide by the court's decission?

Again, I'm not a liar, I mean lawyer, but I think there is that de facto deal thing that goes on when one asks for permission from another to do something.


50 posted on 03/24/2005 8:35:32 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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